land becomes available, should I?

Bullocks

massey265 wrote: »

So if I were to just take on the ten acres for silage and grazing on same for the rest off the year. What would be a fair rent for the year?

£30 an acre would be enough

Bass Reeves

massey265 wrote: »

So if I were to just take on the ten acres for silage and grazing on same for the rest off the year. What would be a fair rent for the year?

As he has it in GLAS meadow I be giving him nothing as it will be only straw quality unless it was grazed until Mid April

MayoAreMagic

Massey, you say land has become available.. What part of it has become available though? You basically have to do his work for 5 years and not put anything of your own on it, or get paid for it, and then pay for that privilege. If he had to get someone else to do that he would generally have to pay them rather than the other way around.

What are you gaining?

It seems from reading the posts here anyway, this offer of 'first refusal' that you were promised is being manipulated into a pretty poor deal for you that nobody else would take, and then if you refuse well you had your first refusal.

The reality is you got first refusal on it for when it is free, not when he has it tied into a restrictive scheme for the next 5 years that is earning for someone else. That isn't first refusal, that is a farm labourer.

Maybe just say it doesn't really make sense to do it from your perspective, but that you are willing to help him out on his glas measures until it is out of the scheme and then ye can take another look at it.

The part time boy

While not a good deal I don't get don't touch it talk.

As far as I reading the only glas work your doing for the landlord is not cutting sillage before 1st July .

I know someone buying sillage from this kind of field and paying 80 euro . Now I think this is way too dear. Quality won't be total sh**e but won't be good either .

As for grazing after sillage you need to be car full there. You really need to put the your cattle in his herd number . Other wise it's a big risk .

As for what it worth is really up to you to see how much your willing to pay.

Some people here would not take it if they got paid . But if someone who short of grass might pay 50 euro

Bass Reeves

The part time boy wrote: »

But if someone who short of grass might pay 50 euro

50 euro/acre is 500 euro at present fertlizer prices about a pallet of urea or 1.5 T of 18-6-12 or nearly 2T of CAN. That would generally grow a sh!t load of grass. Why join the silly brigade hauling cattle 10 miles each way and silage. I am stocked at virtually 170kg/HA have 3-4 acres of marsh out of 68 acres and I am taking out surplas paddocks for bales. Fertlizer costs me less than 50 acre accross the whole farm.

massey265

I get what your all saying there is more cons to pros but the way I am I don't have much silage ground off my own and I would like to increase stock in near future these fields would be very useful, I know it's just break even money with the rent he looking for which is not helping win me over, and the case I can't stock cattle on it for five year term off glas doesn't help either.

Who2

massey265 wrote: »

I get what your all saying there is more cons to pros but the way I am I don't have much silage ground off my own and I would like to increase stock in near future these fields would be very useful, I know it's just break even money with the rent he looking for which is not helping win me over, and the case I can't stock cattle on it for five year term off glas doesn't help either.

You need to be running what you have at 100% before you even consider taking ground with no subs , and even then it rarely makes sense. A twenty mile round trip for a ten acre plot is complete madness. Drawing bales of July grass and then throwing a few cattle on it for a couple of weeks will end up eating any small bit of profit by the trip over and back on it's own.

Bullocks

massey265 wrote: »

I get what your all saying there is more cons to pros but the way I am I don't have much silage ground off my own and I would like to increase stock in near future these fields would be very useful, I know it's just break even money with the rent he looking for which is not helping win me over, and the case I can't stock cattle on it for five year term off glas doesn't help either.

I wouldnt bother renting land for silage , keeep your eyes open around now and you will find plenty of good quality bales for sale that will be landed in the yard cheaper than the money and hassle of renting

Hard Knocks

Bullocks wrote: »

I wouldnt bother renting land for silage , keeep your eyes open around now and you will find plenty of good quality bales for sale that will be landed in the yard cheaper than the money and hassle of renting

Would wholecrop / maize / brewer grain be an option

Bass Reeves

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Would wholecrop / maize / brewer grain be an option

Not in mayo and not for suckler cows. Unless we get a very early winter bales silae will be sub 20/bale delivered to the yard again.

20silkcut

Bullocks wrote: »

I wouldnt bother renting land for silage , keeep your eyes open around now and you will find plenty of good quality bales for sale that will be landed in the yard cheaper than the money and hassle of renting

I had a fella give me €200 an acre for a six acre silage field on conacre while the bales off that field from the previous year were sitting in my yard for sale for less than €20 per bale.
He had no interest in them wanted the land and that was it.

Keepgrowing

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Do either of you travel to it daily or is it farmed under your umbrella so to speak?

Both that far away. One has young stock on and a person herding so we visit once a week for grass measuring and planning. We'd also go for baling, dosing etc but av would be twice a week.

The other has cows milking so maybe twice a week for milking or more if big job needed doing. We only milk there one weekend per month. Guy there full time milking with relief for 2 weekends. We spread fert etc ourselves