Man challenges "private company" in his dole office

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

end of the road wrote: »

there is a difference between looking for work while on JSb and the system in britain which is effectively a try but fail to get it done on the cheap system, by using private companies who are still paid a lot more then the staff as a whole would have been when the lot was operated in public hands.

[/quote]it doesn't work well. it operates to your ideals but operating to one's ideals doesn't equal working well.[/quote]

Yea, it does work well. Unemployment rate 2 for 2017 in Germany 3.9%, Ireland 6.8%. Nothing about my ideals

proof please. the evidence says otherwise.

Probably.... is what I said.

more rabel rabel nonsense. it's not cost effective to simply cut off people. being tough doesn't work with these people.

What are your suggestions in removing long terms waster from the system?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Dr Brown wrote: »

They wanted him to give his personal data to a private company.

I'd say he's alright giving it to sky and whatnot

People have an issue with data protection only in certain circumstances. It's a weak argument, and if it's really genuine, he can take a case up with the data commissioner.

Sonics2k

Dr Brown wrote: »

They wanted him to give his personal data to a private company.

What personal data? His name and number?

Dr Brown

Sonics2k wrote: »

What personal data? His name and number?

They wanted his PPS number which you should never give out to private individuals.

Yawns

Sonics2k wrote: »

What personal data? His name and number?

Just for arguments sake, can I have your name, address, phone number and pps number? Just pm it to me there.

Jawgap

Stonedpilot wrote: »

So if you have like a Masters in chemistry or a PhD or something (many unemployed highly educated) you personally would talk a zero hour minimum wage job in a chippie?.
Of course you would pal. Come on.

Work your way up to what. Dead end jobs are called that for a reason!. Aint nowhere to go in them.

Yeah, I would actually.

When I finished college originally I worked in a hotel bar and we used to joke about it being the best graduate school in the country.....I'd a BSc and there was a BComm, a couple of BAs, a Masters in Theology (now a priest) and, literally, a rocket scientist (Masters in Flight Dynamics).

When I finished my Masters I spent 2 years working back with the same hotel group.....then one rugby weekend decided, "Feck it, I've a masters I don't need to do this" - and emigrated

......and when I arrived in the country I'd emigrated to I took another bar job for a couple of months while I got sorted and got a job in the field I trained for.

um7y1h83ge06nx

Stonedpilot wrote: »

So if you have like a Masters in chemistry or a PhD or something (many unemployed highly educated) you personally would talk a zero hour minimum wage job in a chippie?.
Of course you would pal. Come on.

Work your way up to what. Dead end jobs are called that for a reason!. Aint nowhere to go in them.

Better for your mental well being than on the dole.

I'm dead serious when I say I have told myself if I end up unemployed that I'll take any job. It would keep me sane and no matter what job it is, I could spin it well in an interview to explain that I wanted to work and that I learned transferable skills in this seemingly unrelated field.

I work in IT but a fast food job could teach me about efficiency and the importance of processes in the kitchen. Retail would improve my customer facing skills.

midlandsmissus

I too think seetec is terrible. I was unemployed. For 2 weeks when I got called in.

The office is 40 minutes away by car.my nearest one.

What is demeaning, frightening and inconvenient is that they say you must attend every meeting or your dole will be cut.

I have no control. To add to this , the last time I was called in for an inconvenient workshop the woman was very condescending, and I left the office feeling demeaned.

I came away from the process feeling that I have no control, I am treated in there like someone who is not looking for work, (complete opposite) and I am treated like ****. Iam pushed to go for jobs thattey want me to go for, I am not allowed to say no, or my money will be cut. I want to choose my own job, money location etc!

These companies get money for each person that they put into a job so we are pushed to do what they want with no choice of our own. how is it fair.

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Ryker Tight Stammerer wrote: »

Better for your mental well being than on the dole.

I'm dead serious when I say I have told myself if I end up unemployed that I'll take any job. It would keep me sane and no matter what job it is, I could spin it well in an interview to explain that I wanted to work and that I learned transferable skills in this seemingly unrelated field.

I work in IT but a fast food job could teach me about efficiency and the importance of processes in the kitchen. Retail would improve my customer facing skills.

There’s no way I would do that unless I needed the money. I’d work on personal projects and apply for a lot of positions and spend the time practicing interviews. Can’t see it helping much.

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midlandsmissus wrote: »

I too think seetec is terrible. I was unemployed. For 2 weeks when I got called in.

The office is 40 minutes away by car.my nearest one.

What is demeaning, frightening and inconvenient is that they say you must attend every meeting or your dole will be cut.

I have no control. To add to this , the last time I was called in for an inconvenient workshop the woman was very condescending, and I left the office feeling demeaned.

I came away from the process feeling that I have no control, I am treated in there like someone who is not looking for work, (complete opposite) and I am treated like ****. Iam pushed to go for jobs thattey want me to go for, I am not allowed to say no, or my money will be cut. I want to choose my own job, money location etc!

These companies get money for each person that they put into a job so we are pushed to do what they want with no choice of our own. how is it fair.

Did you not have stamps?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Dr Brown wrote: »

They wanted his PPS number which you should never give out to private individuals.

Strawman. There's no private individual here, just a private company.

The debating in AH has really gone to crap.

um7y1h83ge06nx

server down wrote: »

There’s no way I would do that unless I needed the money. I’d work on personal projects and apply for a lot of positions and spend the time practicing interviews. Can’t see it helping much.

Well yes that should take priority but no reason why people shouldn't work either.

I would definitely try and brush up on some technologies.

LG1234

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I too think seetec is terrible. I was unemployed. For 2 weeks when I got called in.

The office is 40 minutes away by car.my nearest one.

What is demeaning, frightening and inconvenient is that they say you must attend every meeting or your dole will be cut.

I have no control. To add to this , the last time I was called in for an inconvenient workshop the woman was very condescending, and I left the office feeling demeaned.

I came away from the process feeling that I have no control, I am treated in there like someone who is not looking for work, (complete opposite) and I am treated like ****. Iam pushed to go for jobs thattey want me to go for, I am not allowed to say no, or my money will be cut. I want to choose my own job, money location etc!

These companies get money for each person that they put into a job so we are pushed to do what they want with no choice of our own. how is it fair.

You need to be unemployed for more than a year to get called for Jobpath, not 2 weeks. What were you doing before you signed on?

midlandsmissus

server down wrote: »

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I too think seetec is terrible. I was unemployed. For 2 weeks when I got called in.

The office is 40 minutes away by car.my nearest one.

What is demeaning, frightening and inconvenient is that they say you must attend every meeting or your dole will be cut.

I have no control. To add to this , the last time I was called in for an inconvenient workshop the woman was very condescending, and I left the office feeling demeaned.

I came away from the process feeling that I have no control, I am treated in there like someone who is not looking for work, (complete opposite) and I am treated like ****. Iam pushed to go for jobs thattey want me to go for, I am not allowed to say no, or my money will be cut. I want to choose my own job, money location etc!

These companies get money for each person that they put into a job so we are pushed to do what they want with no choice of our own. how is it fair.

Did you not have stamps?

No. I returned from working abroad.

Billy86

Jawgap wrote: »

Yeah, I would actually.

When I finished college originally I worked in a hotel bar and we used to joke about it being the best graduate school in the country.....I'd a BSc and there was a BComm, a couple of BAs, a Masters in Theology (now a priest) and, literally, a rocket scientist (Masters in Flight Dynamics).

When I finished my Masters I spent 2 years working back with the same hotel group.....then one rugby weekend decided, "Feck it, I've a masters I don't need to do this" - and emigrated

......and when I arrived in the country I'd emigrated to I took another bar job for a couple of months while I got sorted and got a job in the field I trained for.

I'm 31, so the crash hit right as people my age were finishing college - I have quite a few friends with degrees in fields like engineering, accountancy, masters' in business etc who spent the down years working in the likes of Tesco, Topaz etc, as cleaners, or in collections call centre agencies for banks (easily the most brutal of all of those jobs, and pay worked out very similar at the time) etc etc for a good while afterwards. Most were doing it to get the funds up the move abroad (and the engineers in particular made a killing after moving to Australia 6-7 years ago when construction was booming there, though most worked as brickies or waitresses first after moving too), but yeah completely agree with your post.

Sonics2k

Yawns wrote: »

Just for arguments sake, can I have your name, address, phone number and pps number? Just pm it to me there.

Terrible comparison. You're a private person, Turas Nua/Seetec are a private company who are regulated by the DSP.

I remember Chorus asking for a PPS number when signing up.

Huntergonzo

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I too think seetec is terrible. I was unemployed. For 2 weeks when I got called in.

The office is 40 minutes away by car.my nearest one.

What is demeaning, frightening and inconvenient is that they say you must attend every meeting or your dole will be cut.

I have no control. To add to this , the last time I was called in for an inconvenient workshop the woman was very condescending, and I left the office feeling demeaned.

I came away from the process feeling that I have no control, I am treated in there like someone who is not looking for work, (complete opposite) and I am treated like ****. Iam pushed to go for jobs thattey want me to go for, I am not allowed to say no, or my money will be cut. I want to choose my own job, money location etc!

These companies get money for each person that they put into a job so we are pushed to do what they want with no choice of our own. how is it fair.

Well look you should never feel demeaned or mistreated by anyone, if you do then you should raise this issue with them.

"I want to choose my own job, money location etc!"

Well that's fine when you're in a position to do so but anyone seeking work should be more flexible than that, granted it isn't always easy but I think jobseekers who are very picky about where they work may actually just be reluctant to work.

As a matter of interest did you manage to find a suitable job in the end?

end of the road

Kylee Small Volt wrote: »

I'd say he's alright giving it to sky and whatnot

People have an issue with data protection only in certain circumstances. It's a weak argument, and if it's really genuine, he can take a case up with the data commissioner.

it's not a weak argument but a very very strong one. sky and others are irrelevant to the conversation.

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I too think seetec is terrible. I was unemployed. For 2 weeks when I got called in.

The office is 40 minutes away by car.my nearest one.

What is demeaning, frightening and inconvenient is that they say you must attend every meeting or your dole will be cut.

I have no control. To add to this , the last time I was called in for an inconvenient workshop the woman was very condescending, and I left the office feeling demeaned.

I came away from the process feeling that I have no control, I am treated in there like someone who is not looking for work, (complete opposite) and I am treated like ****. Iam pushed to go for jobs thattey want me to go for, I am not allowed to say no, or my money will be cut. I want to choose my own job, money location etc!

These companies get money for each person that they put into a job so we are pushed to do what they want with no choice of our own. how is it fair.

exactly. it's all about fudging and it's all at the tax payers expence in the form of i'd imagine, billions to companies like this particular one. this needs to be hi-lighted and made toxic so that this company decides to pack up and go back to the uk and the benefits service returned to being ran fully by public service staff employed by us

Kylee Small Volt wrote: »

Strawman. There's no private individual here, just a private company.

The debating in AH has really gone to crap.

a private company who is not entitled to such information.

Yawns

So is that a no then?

It's a big enough deal that you won't give your information to me. Cool.

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Stonedpilot wrote: »

So if you have like a Masters in chemistry or a PhD or something (many unemployed highly educated) you personally would talk a zero hour minimum wage job in a chippie?.
Of course you would pal. Come on.

Work your way up to what. Dead end jobs are called that for a reason!. Aint nowhere to go in them.

Doesn't matter what you have a masters in, if you're unemployed you're unemployed and anyone with any self respect would rather earn their living than think they're above earning their own crust. You take what you can get until you're where you want to be.

In my present role I hire people. I look at cvs. If a cv tells me they've been unemployed but have been volunteering or doing some sort of a scheme that would put someone a good bit ahead of a cv who's been unemployed and has done nothing at all with their time because they feel they're above it.

I'm 29. The economy was in bits when I left college with my degree so I went and did something else, ended up finding a job in that industry and have never been on the dole or seeking assistance for being unemployed.
Others my age have never worked and blame the government/foreigners/the recession for them not having jobs but even in the toughest time for people my age, there was work to be found if you looked hard enough.

Poor Uncle Tom

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Looks in After Hours, see's another dole thread and closes boards.

Not before informing everyone about it........:rolleyes:

Sonics2k

Yawns wrote: »

So is that a no then?

It's a big enough deal that you won't give your information to me. Cool.

Again, it's a strawman argument.

You're a private individual and are not necessarily obliged to adhere to Data Protection laws in the same manner that private companies are. Turas Nua are.

end of the road

Rosie Crashing Suds wrote: »

Doesn't matter what you have a masters in, if you're unemployed you're unemployed and anyone with any self respect would rather earn their living than think they're above earning their own crust. You take what you can get until you're where you want to be.

In my present role I hire people. I look at cvs. If a cv tells me they've been unemployed but have been volunteering or doing some sort of a scheme that would put someone a good bit ahead of a cv who's been unemployed and has done nothing at all with their time because they feel they're above it.

I'm 29. The economy was in bits when I left college with my degree so I went and did something else, ended up finding a job in that industry and have never been on the dole or seeking assistance for being unemployed.
Others my age have never worked and blame the government/foreigners/the recession for them not having jobs but even in the toughest time for people my age, there was work to be found if you looked hard enough.

if there was work to be found we wouldn't have had a high unemployment rate like we did during the recession. the fact is there was little work and some of it wouldn't even cover one's travel expences. all of us who survived in work during the recession were quite lucky in relation to those who sadly didn't. some of us were lucky not to have it hard but thankfully we are knowledgable enough to know the world isn't black and white and we could lose everything quite quickly if we were unlucky enough.

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Rosie Crashing Suds wrote: »

Doesn't matter what you have a masters in, if you're unemployed you're unemployed and anyone with any self respect would rather earn their living than think they're above earning their own crust. You take what you can get until you're where you want to be.

In my present role I hire people. I look at cvs. If a cv tells me they've been unemployed but have been volunteering or doing some sort of a scheme that would put someone a good bit ahead of a cv who's been unemployed and has done nothing at all with their time because they feel they're above it.

I'm 29. The economy was in bits when I left college with my degree so I went and did something else, ended up finding a job in that industry and have never been on the dole or seeking assistance for being unemployed.
Others my age have never worked and blame the government/foreigners/the recession for them not having jobs but even in the toughest time for people my age, there was work to be found if you looked hard enough.

All that and 13,000 posts. What do you mean you hire people? You alone?

midlandsmissus

Huntergonzo wrote: »

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I too think seetec is terrible. I was unemployed. For 2 weeks when I got called in.

The office is 40 minutes away by car.my nearest one.

What is demeaning, frightening and inconvenient is that they say you must attend every meeting or your dole will be cut.

I have no control. To add to this , the last time I was called in for an inconvenient workshop the woman was very condescending, and I left the office feeling demeaned.

I came away from the process feeling that I have no control, I am treated in there like someone who is not looking for work, (complete opposite) and I am treated like ****. Iam pushed to go for jobs thattey want me to go for, I am not allowed to say no, or my money will be cut. I want to choose my own job, money location etc!

These companies get money for each person that they put into a job so we are pushed to do what they want with no choice of our own. how is it fair.

Well look you should never feel demeaned or mistreated by anyone, if you do then you should raise this issue with them.

"I want to choose my own job, money location etc!"

Well that's fine when you're in a position to do so but anyone seeking work should be more flexible than that, granted it isn't always easy but I think jobseekers who are very picky about where they work may actually just be reluctant to work.

As a matter of interest did you manage to find a suitable job in the end?

I did raise the issue with them.
Why should I who has studied and paid for four years of university take a low paying job. It makes no sense rhyme or reason to an economy!
What Galled me is that they were not trying to help me. They were trying to rush me into any job because they get financial rewards (as a private company) for taking people off the social welfare system.

Load of bollox. Why would I be rushed into a low paying job by them when I can get a better paid job in another country. I took another job in another country.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

end of the road wrote: »

it's not a weak argument but a very very strong one. sky and others are irrelevant to the conversation.

Yea, it's only relevant when it suits. Double standards and all that.

a private company who is not entitled to such information.

He doesn't have to give his personal details to anybody, but he does have to live with the consequences of not doing so.

Huntergonzo

end of the road wrote: »

In this country it is a right whether you like it or not. it's one most of the people have availed of at some stage whether it be a very short period years ago in mine and many other's cases or a long period because you are unemployable.

and? no point in wasting time with these companies who bring nothing to the pie. we all know the people engaging with these companies will highly likely gain little if anything from it. a waste of tax payers money.

no point, not cost effective. the dole lifers don't need this kick in the hole as the kick in the hole isn't going to work. they cannot be punished as there is nothing to punish them for, and the punishment can easily be got around. it's throwing money down the drain, as the dole lifers are unemployable and employers don't want them, which is their right.
we all love rabel rabel soundbites but they don't make reality.

I actually agree that many dole lifers are unemployable, but the question is what to do with them?

Do we just budget for them every year and right it off as a necessary evil or should we at least try to cut them adrift?

martingriff

BillyBobBS wrote: »

Looks in After Hours, see's another dole thread and closes boards.

You mean Looks in After Hours see's another sole thread open said thread without reading it and put a comment without reading and closes boards

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Most of the people who you think are long term unemployed are on disability. I don’t think after a while that anything can be done - intervention must start earlier. What you get instead is companies like this, paid by commission, pushing the employable I to jobs they don’t necessarily want.

Huntergonzo

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I did raise the issue with them.
Why should I who has studied and paid for four years of university take a low paying job. It makes no sense rhyme or reason to an economy!
What Galled me is that they were not trying to help me. They were trying to rush me into any job because they get financial rewards (as a private company) for taking people off the social welfare system.

Load of bollox. Why would I be rushed into a low paying job by them when I can get a better paid job in another country. I took another job in another country.

Sounds a bit snobby to be honest with you, why shouldn't you take a low paid job, do you see yourself as above that? I think you need a dose of reality, fairplay for getting a degree but that doesn't automatically entitle you to your ideal job!

I mean needs must, the whole point of jobseekers is that you're seeking a job, so why not work a low paid job for a bit until something better comes along? I'd imagine most employers would rather hire somebody who is already working than someone who is unemployed, rightly or wrongly that's seen as an advantage.

Personally I took up a JobBridge position after 3rd level (I didn't do a degree), and got full-time employment while on JobBridge. Life isn't a stroll in the park, you do what you have to do.