Man challenges "private company" in his dole office

foxatron · 21-10-2017 01:22PM

She was very patient. If he wanted some advice why didn't he bring in a solicitor with him. If you want the money sign the form. If you don't want to sign the form then don't expect me to pay for you.

Marty Bird · 21-10-2017 01:24PM

What an absolute tit that lad is, every time the woman answered his questions he moved the goalposts first he wouldn’t sign without a copy she gives him the copy he says I don’t have to sign this and I want it in writing.

If he spent as much effort looking for work he would have no problem I’m sure. And that old chestnut “I never received the letter” I’m sure he received the one that said he was been cut money.

screamer · 21-10-2017 01:29PM

Red Corvette wrote: »

I don't understand the hate towards the unemployed in this thread. We're all entitled to claim assistance if we were to lose our jobs. I have read about these English companies. They just take you in and you job hunt in their presence. Nothing you can't do at home. But they force people to spend money travelling and make them go out of the way to these meetings. But the force that they use is using your jobseekers benefit and threaten to cut you off if you don't engage with them. There's something wrong with the whole process.

No there isn't. It's applying a sufficient amount of pressure and inconvenience in order that you'd just say stuff that and go and get a job. I've no problem with that. And there are those who just call into a company and ask them to stamp s letter to say they applied for a job but didn't get it when it's bull. This way there's a record of what was and wasn't applied for. I think it's a great idea to get the work shy off the taxpayers backs

Wanderer78 · 21-10-2017 01:31PM

screamer wrote: »

No there isn't. It's applying a sufficient amount of pressure and inconvenience in order that you'd just say stuff that and go and get a job. I've no problem with that. And there are those who just call into a company and ask them to stamp s letter to say they applied for a job but didn't get it when it's bull. This way there's a record of what was and wasn't applied for. I think it's a great idea to get the work shy off the taxpayers backs

talk to those that have been forced to deal with these companies, this is a dreadful way to deal with the complex causes of long term unemployment

Suckit · 21-10-2017 01:31PM

Seems like an apt place for this https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/data-watchdog-to-open-investigation-into-public-services-card-1.3263567

server down · 21-10-2017 01:37PM

I’ve a feeling that opinions on these companies might change in the next recession. Although hopefully if you are on the “stamps” there’s none of that bullsh1t.

screamer · 21-10-2017 01:37PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

talk to those that have been forced to deal with these companies, this is a dreadful way to deal with the complex causes of long term unemployment

If you have a job you often have to engage with people that treat you badly.... What difference when on the dole, you get some money and you're offered some help to get back to employment. If you don't want to/ like to/ wish to engage then don't and don't go whining about having no money. You can't have it all ways.

evolving_doors · 21-10-2017 01:44PM

screamer wrote: »

If you have a job you often have to engage with people that treat you badly.... What difference when on the dole, you get some money and you're offered some help to get back to employment. If you don't want to/ like to/ wish to engage then don't and don't go whining about having no money. You can't have it all ways.

Two wrongs don't make a right though.

Huntergonzo · 21-10-2017 01:45PM

What an absolute fúcking waster, all he seems to be concerned with is making complaints against people trying to help him (probably because he's bored) and of course claiming free money rather than trying to get employment.

I have zero time for these fúcking 'professional welfare recipients', why we as a society tolerate them is completely beyond me, it should be contribute or you're on your own.

Ps, just to acknowledge though, I understand that many people do actually need help and I have no issue with that. My comments are aimed squarely at those who are capable of contributing but prefer to sponge off the state.

Dr Brown · 21-10-2017 01:49PM

Anyone know if this is the same "private company" who caused people on the dole in England to commit suicide ?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 21-10-2017 01:50PM

Red Corvette wrote: »

I don't understand the hate towards the unemployed in this thread. We're all entitled to claim assistance if we were to lose our jobs. I have read about these English companies. They just take you in and you job hunt in their presence. Nothing you can't do at home. But they force people to spend money travelling and make them go out of the way to these meetings. But the force that they use is using your jobseekers benefit and threaten to cut you off if you don't engage with them. There's something wrong with the whole process.

Imagine, you're on job seekers benefit and you're made look for work. What horrible world we live in. You post suggests that you think job SEEKERS benefit is

Exact same thing is done in Germany and it works perfectly well. The people who complain about this set up probably have no interest in finding work what so ever and the idea that they are being made to do so is "infringing on their civil rights"... LOL :pac:

Wanderer78 wrote: »

talk to those that have been forced to deal with these companies, this is a dreadful way to deal with the complex causes of long term unemployment

Laziness is incredibly complex :rolleyes:

RasTa · 21-10-2017 01:51PM

Some comment on the youtube page

This is shocking. We don't live in a democracy and anybody who thinks we do is living in cloud cuckoo land. This lady is like the guard at Auschwitz who said he was only doing his job, herself and her private company Turas Nua should be chased out of Limerick and everywhere else this British company is operating. People need to wake up and get rid of these bullies and thugs. Well done Gregory for standing up to these Black and Tans

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Dr Brown · 21-10-2017 01:51PM

Rosie Crashing Suds wrote: »

Want free money? Do what you're told.
Don't want to sign something? Don't and then fund your own lifestyle.

3 minutes in and I couldn't take another second of it, poor woman only doing her job and having to deal with that nonsense. Imagine how victimised he'd feel if he had to work if he's so appalled at having to sign a form

It sounded like the gentleman was just standing up for his rights.

Yes even people on the dole have rights.

You don't have to sign away your rights just because the government tell you to do so.

Huntergonzo · 21-10-2017 01:57PM

RasTa wrote: »

Some comment on the youtube page

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

I'd imagine that's another welfare waster, well either that or they enjoy paying taxes to support 'jobseekers' who aren't actually seeking jobs. Not too clever either way!

Stonedpilot · 21-10-2017 01:58PM

Nermal wrote: »

If these wasters put the same energy into finding a job as they do into trying to prove they're not subject to the law they wouldn't have to go near a dole office.

Stupid point. Many unemployed people spend ages looking for work. It might not be in their area or suitable. Loads of people with masters etc unemployed.

Think your brainwashed watching too much Jeremy Kyle all day. Very few if any unemployed people are like that.

derfderf · 21-10-2017 02:00PM

There's a ruddy great smell in AH today.

Huntergonzo · 21-10-2017 02:04PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Stupid point. Many unemployed people spend ages looking for work. It might not be in their area or suitable. Loads of people with masters etc unemployed.

Think your brainwashed watching too much Jeremy Kyle all day. Very few if any unemployed people are like that.

Many unemployed people are seeking work, no question about that, however many are also wasters who have never and will never work, that's the reality.

We're a bit too soft in this country, we need to identify those people who feel entitled to a free living and cut them off, sorry but mammy and daddy have to get tough at some stage.

Stonedpilot · 21-10-2017 02:06PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

talk to those that have been forced to deal with these companies, this is a dreadful way to deal with the complex causes of long term unemployment

You know nobody on boards actually do that. Just ego masturbate and sneer from their ivory towers dole scrounger this and that without knowing peoples circumstances at all. Anyway half on this are on the dole (some of those with tens of thousands of posts cough). The hypocrisy is stagerring on this.

Billy86 · 21-10-2017 02:08PM

Marty Bird wrote: »

And that old chestnut “I never received the letter” I’m sure he received the one that said he was been cut money.

This is why government agencies often have no option but to effectively 'waste' €6.35* with so many letters sent out by registered post to certain members of the public who point blank claim they never received it otherwise. Not to mention the wasted time and public money on someone having to do up that registered post, visit the post office and stand in a queue maybe for 30 seconds or maybe for 15+ minutes at a go in the post office, all out of the taxpayers' pocket. I'm not talking legal letters etc, but rather just letters like "your appointment is at 2.30pm next Thursday" type of stuff.

*If I'm correct it's €7.25 for a registered post letter vs 90c for a standard letter, hence the €6.35.

Jawgap · 21-10-2017 02:08PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Stupid point. Many unemployed people spend ages looking for work. It might not be in their area or suitable. Loads of people with masters etc unemployed.

Think your brainwashed watching too much Jeremy Kyle all day. Very few if any unemployed people are like that.

What does that mean?

Look, if you're a brickie, a hairdresser, or a computer programmer, it doesn't mean you are forever condemned to doing those jobs......if there's a job that requires a lesser level of skill why wouldn't you take it?? Then work your way back to your chosen area of work......it's easier to get a job when you've got a job as the old adage goes.

Stonedpilot · 21-10-2017 02:10PM

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Many unemployed people are seeking work, no question about that, however many are also wasters who have never and will never work, that's the reality.

We're a bit too soft in this country, we need to identify those people who feel entitled to a free living and cut them off, sorry but mammy and daddy have to get tough at some stage.

Huh.
Mammy and daddy pay their dole???

end of the road · 21-10-2017 02:12PM

Kylee Small Volt wrote: »

Imagine, you're on job seekers benefit and you're made look for work. What horrible world we live in. You post suggests that you think job SEEKERS benefit is

there is a difference between looking for work while on JSb and the system in britain which is effectively a try but fail to get it done on the cheap system, by using private companies who are still paid a lot more then the staff as a whole would have been when the lot was operated in public hands.

Kylee Small Volt wrote: »

Exact same thing is done in Germany and it works perfectly well.

it doesn't work well. it operates to your ideals but operating to one's ideals doesn't equal working well.

Kylee Small Volt wrote: »

The people who complain about this set up probably have no interest in finding work what so ever and the idea that they are being made to do so is "infringing on their civil rights"... LOL

proof please. the evidence says otherwise.

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Many unemployed people are seeking work, no question about that, however many are also wasters who have never and will never work, that's the reality.

We're a bit too soft in this country, we need to identify those people who feel entitled to a free living and cut them off, sorry but mammy and daddy have to get tough at some stage.

more rabel rabel nonsense. it's not cost effective to simply cut off people. being tough doesn't work with these people.

Huntergonzo · 21-10-2017 02:12PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Huh.
Mammy and daddy pay their dole???

Haha ok ok I get you, all the best ðŸ˜‚

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 21-10-2017 02:15PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

It sounded like the gentleman was just standing up for his rights.

Yes even people on the dole have rights.

You don't have to sign away your rights just because the government tell you to do so.

What rights was he standing up for exactly? Can you name those rights?

Is he signing away his "rights"? I don't think that's the case.

Stonedpilot wrote: »

You know nobody on boards actually do that. Just ego masturbate and sneer from their ivory towers dole scrounger this and that without knowing peoples circumstances at all. Anyway half on this are on the dole (some of those with tens of thousands of posts cough). The hypocrisy is stagerring on this.

What a loaded post

What circumstances should we accept for somebody being on job seekers allowance for long periods of time while not searching for work?

Stonedpilot · 21-10-2017 02:16PM

Jawgap wrote: »

What does that mean?

Look, if you're a brickie, a hairdresser, or a computer programmer, it doesn't mean you are forever condemned to doing those jobs......if there's a job that requires a lesser level of skill why wouldn't you take it?? Then work your way back to your chosen area of work......it's easier to get a job when you've got a job as the old adage goes.

So if you have like a Masters in chemistry or a PhD or something (many unemployed highly educated) you personally would talk a zero hour minimum wage job in a chippie?.
Of course you would pal. Come on.

Work your way up to what. Dead end jobs are called that for a reason!. Aint nowhere to go in them.

Joshua J · 21-10-2017 02:17PM

If the Government don't class these people as unemployed why do posters here?.

Huntergonzo · 21-10-2017 02:18PM

Stonedpilot wrote: »

So if you have like a Masters in chemistry or a PhD or something (many unemployed highly educated) you personally would talk a zero hour minimum wage job in a chippie?.
Of course you would pal. Come on.

Work your way up to what. Dead end jobs are called that for a reason!. Aint nowhere to go in them.

Nowhere to go?? Wrong again, if you work in a chippie, you might have to make a delivery, that's somehere to go :-)

Billy86 · 21-10-2017 02:19PM

Jawgap wrote: »

What does that mean?

Look, if you're a brickie, a hairdresser, or a computer programmer, it doesn't mean you are forever condemned to doing those jobs......if there's a job that requires a lesser level of skill why wouldn't you take it?? Then work your way back to your chosen area of work......it's easier to get a job when you've got a job as the old adage goes.

I have a lot of understanding for people on the dole and in the bad years got caught on it myself on a few occasions as nowhere seemed to be handing out anything beyond a 3-6 month contract... but I would agree that this attitude does irritate me.

I typically work in admin based roles and it's what I prefer to do, but during the crash everywhere kept coming back to me just for sales roles (I'm good at sales but cannot stand those positions). Of course I took them, because at the end of the day a job is a job is a job - refusing to take any is not only selfish but hugely counter-productive towards your long term prospects. Even three or four years later, explaining a 12 month gap to any potential employer in an interview can be a big uphill struggle because it's a red flag that simply is not there for other candidates for the role, no matter what it might be.

If it was for example manual labour work for someone with health issues, that would of course be completely different, but this idea of "I'm sitting it out until I get what I want" while acceptable to me in the short term, becomes an issue when you're a year or more on the dole and clearly either not getting anywhere with it. And after that long after work, it's only going to get tougher and less realistic as the first thing any employer looks at is your current/last role, which if over a year old is going to very likely see them dump your CV before going any further as they often have hundreds to get through.

When this guy starts talking about things like missing an appointment being "a matter of opinion" it comes across very much as him attempting to just weasel his way out of being forced to go to work or lose his dole.

Dr Brown · 21-10-2017 02:20PM

Kylee Small Volt wrote: »

What rights was he standing up for exactly? Can you name those rights?

Is he signing away his "rights"? I don't think that's the case.

What a loaded post

What circumstances should we accept for somebody being on job seekers allowance for long periods of time while not searching for work?

They wanted him to give his personal data to a private company.

Huntergonzo · 21-10-2017 02:23PM

end of the road wrote: »

there is a difference between looking for work while on JSb and the system in britain which is effectively a try but fail to get it done on the cheap system, by using private companies who are still paid a lot more then the staff as a whole would have been when the lot was operated in public hands.

it doesn't work well. it operates to your ideals but operating to one's ideals doesn't equal working well.

proof please. the evidence says otherwise.

more rabel rabel nonsense. it's not cost effective to simply cut off people. being tough doesn't work with these people.

Well what does work then? Cause being soft with them doesn't seem to work.

Anyway who knows, if live long 'jobseekers' actually started working it could be very good for them mentally and physically.

Man challenges "private company" in his dole office

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