UCD to re-designate more than 170 toilets as gender neutral (Mod warning in op)

Assetbacked

Traditional gender role disputing people get a disproportionate amount of coverage. In reality they represent such a tiny minority, they should barely be mentioned.

Hande hoche!

Out of curiosity, do they get rid of the urinals when toilets go gender neutral or how does it work?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Omackeral wrote: »

Are the bathrooms in your house divided into male and female? How do you cope if not!?

The aren’t communal multi occupancy toilets.

Is the university redesigning these toilets or just slapping a gender neutral sign on them?

Franz Von Peppercorn

Actually the Irish times didn’t show a multi occupancy toilet. It looked like a disabled toilet with added signage. They were always single occupancy and therefore gender neutral.

Any from UCD know what’s going on with larger toilets? Are they sticking a transgender sign on male urinal spaces? And female toilets?

suicide_circus

There's only one big toilet

Brian?

Brian? wrote: »

That’s it. Now you have it. The minute and a half they took to decide this could have saved UCD from educational oblivion.

There is no way, NO WAY, they could do anything else when they were deciding th gender neutral toilets. I’m surprised the university didn’t shut down for the week, given that the entire administration was required for this one decision. It must have been a dark, anarchic week out there.

Yeah it was just the minute and a half, it's not like it's been used as a major issue distraction for a few years at this stage.

Rhyme

Deleted User wrote: »

Also do the transgender changing facilities cater for all types of trans? Seems weird to lump them all together.

The alternative is hundreds of individual toilets for each identifying factor with more being added all the time.

D3V!L

padser wrote: »

I've decided I identify as female when I'm showering, so I'll be using the female changing facilities from now on.

I'm a lesbian when I'm a female, so don't mind my massive hard on - that's to be expected.

And don't anyone presume to have the right to tell me that I am either not a woman, or that I can't use the female changing facilities.

You go girl !!

razorblunt

Sure tis grand, more places to go for a slash.

optogirl

I have always lived in a house with a gender neutral toilet with no issues at all

Rhyme

Rhyme wrote: »

The alternative is hundreds of individual toilets for each identifying factor with more being added all the time.

Or just having male and female toilets as there has been til now.

tretorn

Meanwhile yesterday another illegal immigrant, Eygptian, surprise, surprise has been convicted of rape. He sexually assaulted a woman on a bus, followed her off the bus, told her he would give her the best ten minutes of her life and raped her.

Now we can have this filth pretending to be transgender so they can wander around ucds changing rooms including the private rooms which are communal. The public ones have cubicles at least.

Will UCD accept responsibility if a woman is raped by a man pretending to be transgender, do ciswomen as the trans community refer to women who were born female have any say in whats happening in their space. The trans lobby must be very vocal, they are a teeny minority and we are accommodating and yoelding a lot to suit them.

The J Stands for Jay

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Out of curiosity, do they get rid of the urinals when toilets go gender neutral or how does it work?

I'm my uni days, the students union (not the bar) had unisex toilets with urinals in it.

hynesie08

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Out of curiosity, do they get rid of the urinals when toilets go gender neutral or how does it work?

This is the question lads should be asking, because if their idea of "gender neutral" or however they're describing it means replacing urinals with cubicals, there's gonna be a lot more walls getting used as urinals in UCD

ted1

That sexy blond girl from Commerce won’t be so sexy after you hear the noise coming from her arse in the cubicle next to you

lawred2

Dr Brown wrote: »

It's PC gone mad.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/ucd-to-re-designate-more-than-170-toilets-as-gender-neutral-1.3400807

who cares?

Brian?

tretorn wrote: »

Meanwhile yesterday another illegal immigrant, Eygptian, surprise, surprise has been convicted of rape. He sexually assaulted a woman on a bus, followed her off the bus, told her he would give her the best ten minutes of her life and raped her.

Now we can have this filth pretending to be transgender so they can wander around ucds changing rooms including the private rooms which are communal. The public ones have cubicles at least.

Will UCD accept responsibility if a woman is raped by a man pretending to be transgender, do ciswomen as the trans community refer to women who were born female have any say in whats happening in their space. The trans lobby must be very vocal, they are a teeny minority and we are accommodating and yoelding a lot to suit them.

Yep. Men never raped women before they could pretend to be women. And Irish men definitely never rape women. Never.

Jimbob1977

If urinals are removed, it slows down the whole process.

Compare the women's bathroom with the men's bathroom in a nightclub or pub.

The women's bathroom has a lengthy queue out the door. The men's bathroom has a constant flow (excuse the pun).

Men's bathrooms are a model of efficiency. Hygiene is another matter.

Hande hoche!

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

If urinals are removed, it slows down the whole process.

Compare the women's bathroom with the men's bathroom in a nightclub or pub.

The women's bathroom has a lengthy queue out the door. The men's bathroom has a constant flow (excuse the pun).

Men's bathrooms are a model of efficiency. Hygiene is another matter.

Yeah that would be my concern. If it there were no urinals, it would stall the process.

Franz Von Peppercorn

hynesie08 wrote: »

This is the question lads should be asking, because if their idea of "gender neutral" or however they're describing it means replacing urinals with cubicals, there's gonna be a lot more walls getting used as urinals in UCD

There’s two practical issues isn’t there.

1) getting rid of urinals.
2) shared communal spaces for men and women.

Biological men and women of course.

This hasn’t affected the wider world yet. When it does there will be a reaction.

Bob24

McGaggs wrote: »

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Out of curiosity, do they get rid of the urinals when toilets go gender neutral or how does it work?

I'm my uni days, the students union (not the bar) had unisex toilets with urinals in it.

If it is in an individual room with both a regular toilet and a urinal which can be used by only one person at a time, it defeats the purpose of the urinal (which would be to take up less space than a full toilet and increase speed/capacity).
If it is urinal(s) in a public area of the toilets ... clearly not gonna work. Bar some exibitionists, lads don’t want the ladies to look at them while they are doing their thing, and most ladies wouldn’t enjoy the sight very much either.

So toilets with urinals are a male only toilets or are pointless.

tritium

I wouldn’t really be bothered by this tbh. Anyone of a certain vintage who remembers the sulphuric sandpaper toilet roll that used to be used there would welcome someone taking an interest in the toilets

Brings back memories of a public sector organization I worked for long ago. The place was a misandrists dream in many ways however due to expansion the small number of male toilets was inadequate (and below guidelines). Management suggested things like going over to another office to pee which we were having none of. Eventually one of the men suggested that all the toilets (which were individual rooms, lockable doors etc) could be made gender neutral. Management (and one in particular) hit the roof at the prospect- legal implications, would never fly etc...

Yeah, great place to work that....

Bob24

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

The men's bathroom has a constant flow (excuse the pun).

Oh I excuse you, you actually made me laugh ;-)

For Forks Sake

Rhyme wrote: »

The alternative is hundreds of individual toilets for each identifying factor with more being added all the time.

Was the topic of a recent Ross O'Carroll-Kelly sketch where his daughter decided to keep pressuring her school to install more and more toilet space for different gender identities (most of which she made up) to see how far they'd go.

BattleCorp

Can I now walk into any toilet I want to in UCD. Cool.

On a totally separate note - anybody know where I can buy hidden cameras online?

quintana76

This will last a week as the queue for the single sex ladies toilets gets out of control. The queue will include the female element of the ideologues who have called for this. (Their so called aim having being achieved).Most men won't like it either as demonstrated by mens attitude when desperate women occasionally use the mens in over packed pubs.
Typical PC bull****. Annoy everyone as they ignore people's wishes and convention just to make a non thought through, ideologically driven, purist, non realistic, garbage trendy point. This is only supported by a tiny minority and a cowardly college administration.

BattleCorp

quintana76 wrote: »

This will last a week as the queue for the single sex ladies toilets gets out of control. The queue will include the female element of the ideologues who have called for this. (Their so called aim having being achieved).Most men won't like it either as demonstrated by mens attitude when desperate women occasionally use the mens in over packed pubs.
Typical PC bull****. Annoy everyone as they ignore people's wishes and convention just to make a non thought through, ideologically driven, purist, non realistic, garbage trendy point. This is only supported by a tiny minority and a cowardly college administration.

There won't be any single sex ladies toilets that men can't use. Men can just self determine as women and are therefore free to use those toilets.

AllForIt

Can we still call them The Jacks or not or will we get in trouble for doing that?

optogirl

AllForIt wrote: »

Can we still call them The Jacks or not or will we get in trouble for doing that?

Huh? Women call it the Jacks aswell

Bob24

BattleCorp wrote: »

There won't be any single sex ladies toilets that men can't use. Men can just self determine as women and are therefore free to use those toilets.

I am not sure about that. They could keep male and female toilets while adding a third category which is “gender neutral” (ie unisex). For exemple see the picture on the IT article. It would be fairly stupid alright, but it would allow them to make their political point while not breaking what is working.

Billy86

Not sure what all the snowflake, triggered reactions are about - we're literally talking about toilets in a college. Sure a few clubs and restaurants have been doing this for a while as a bit of a gimmick, thankfully the world didn't implode.

Though the poor lads are going to be stuck with some fecking queue they'll be unused to.

BattleCorp

Bob24 wrote: »

I am not sure about that. They could keep male and female toilets while adding a third category which is “gender neutral” (ie unisex). For exemple see the picture on the IT article. It would be fairly stupid alright, but it would allow them to make their political point while not breaking what is working.

But I wouldn't be compelled to use the gender neutral toilet as I could self determine as a woman.............therefore in the eyes of UCD I am a woman..........and therefore I could use the women's toilets.

I think I'm being logical here.

By the way, I'm male, not transgender, and have no intention of doing any of the above. I'm just playing devil's advocate.

billybonkers

AllForIt wrote: »

Can we still call them The Jacks or not or will we get in trouble for doing that?

Either the Jacks or the Jills

Billy86

optogirl wrote: »

Huh? Women call it the Jacks aswell

Deep philosophical thought here - when a women says it, is it the Jacks of the Jaqs?

optogirl

Billy86 wrote: »

Deep philosophical thought here - when a women says it, is it the Jacks of the Jaqs?

Just the Jacks....the toilets themselves don't have a gender....or DO THEY? :eek:

pumpkin4life

So on one hand, nothing is really going to happen with this. You're not going to get a mob of lads perving on wans in the jacks. Maybe a sick fùck or two, or some lad taking the piss wearing a dress and calling himself a woman for the laugh, but nothing big.

On the other hand, this weird crap is coming from a small percentage of very radical, very left wing public sector workers. In the private sector, if they end up there, they tend to end up in HR. I'll give an example. A friend of mine is working in a company where HR are trying to push a #metoo seminar to teach men to be nice to wans. That kind of craziness like.

The universities are the workplace five years into the future, give or take.

The most well known examples in the media would probably be Colm o Gorman, Katherine Zappone, Michael D Higgins, Dil Whatevertheshìtehersecondnameis, the green party leader lad and Louise O Neil, boards.ie favorite, but to be fair, at least she earns a living writing fiction, so she has a proper job there. Careerist leftists basically.

Lads, you need to tell these people to feck off like.

Hector Bellend

You know some straight drunk is going to go in and start waving his mickey around.


Are they just going to be cubicles?

padd b1975

Koala Sunshine wrote: »

I wonder will this extend to shower facilities.

And shaving mirrors....

BattleCorp

pumpkin4life wrote: »

, or some lad taking the piss wearing a dress and calling himself a woman for the laugh, but nothing big.

Women don't have to wear dresses so I can't see how a lad would have to wear a dress to use the women's toilets.

mzungu

Loads of other colleges already have gender neutral bathrooms (or are in the process of doing it). No big deal.

Dakota Dan

patsman07 wrote: »

My local Catholic church has had a gender neutral bathroom since the 1940s.

So they share the same bath?

BattleCorp

Dakota Dan wrote: »

So they share the same bath?

No, that's only the priests and alter boys. Nothing to do with women.

pumpkin4life

BattleCorp wrote: »

Women don't have to wear dresses so I can't see how a lad would have to wear a dress to use the women's toilets.

Not just the toilets man. Changing facilities it says in that link.

UCD is to re-designate more than 170 toilets across the entire campus as “gender neutral” and introduce transgender changing facilities at its sport centre.
The move is part of a new university policy to provide a welcoming campus for transgender and gender-fluid students and employees.
In addition, UCD is to allow transgender students to change their names on official university award documents and other material without the need for gender recognition certificates.
Minister for Children and equality campaigner Katherine Zappone, who is due to launch the new policy on Thursday, has welcomed the move as another step towards “full equality for all”.
“Our universities are drivers of change, promoters of equality and champions of justice,” she said.

Bob24

BattleCorp wrote: »

Bob24 wrote: »

I am not sure about that. They could keep male and female toilets while adding a third category which is “gender neutral” (ie unisex). For exemple see the picture on the IT article. It would be fairly stupid alright, but it would allow them to make their political point while not breaking what is working.

But I wouldn't be compelled to use the gender neutral toilet as I could self determine as a woman.............therefore in the eyes of UCD I am a woman..........and therefore I could use the women's toilets.

I think I'm being logical here.

By the way, I'm male, not transgender, and have no intention of doing any of the above. I'm just playing devil's advocate.

Yes what you are saying is logical. BUT let’s not forget this is just an ideological battle and most likely just a handful of people if anyone on the UCD campus actually has personal issues with current toilet arrangements (even those who are asking for those new toilets themselves are probably in manjority not identifying as the “wrong gender” for their toilets and currently very fine).

So they main goal here is to score political points more than to fix an acrual issue. Adding a third category of toilets would be winning a first battle for those who are fighting the ideological war but at the same time would let the university keep the arrangement which works best for a vast majority of people, so this is why I don’t see it as an unlikely compromise.

blue note

I haven't read the seven pages but don't understand how there are seven pages written about this. What's the big deal? The only slight negative I could see is that they might get rid of urinals and that might result in queues? If they're to do it right keep the urinals for anyone who wants to use them and make the bathrooms unisex otherwise.

Actually, the other problem could be if you destroy one of the toilets and get caught by a girl you fancy coming out. That would be embarrassing. And if it happened the other way around probably worse.

pumpkin4life

Anyway, I was reading the article there. The changing facilities, fùck that, that's peanuts. Take a look at this quote.

Ms Zappone is also expected to announce her support for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender history to be included on the school curriculum.

No words.

WinnyThePoo

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Anyway, I was reading the article there. The changing facilities, fùck that, that's peanuts. Take a look at this quote.






No words.

It's funny how Zappone seems to scare the **** out of Conservatives and turn them into little snowflakes.

eviltwin

Don't see the problem with unisex bathrooms at all. I remember a well known club I went to in the mid 90's had them. Every place I've worked has had them. Some people panic at the idea of it. Why?

Caliden

Just pee with the cubical door open.

Walls and doors are a human construct. Everyone should be comfortable around each other.

topper75

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I grew up with gender neutral toilets in MY OWN HOME. :mad:

How many stalls? Used you hear the ould lad groaning out a hefty when you were taking a whizz?