UK: Up to 1,000 children ‘drugged, beaten and raped’ in Telford grooming scandal

The_Kew_Tour

Poor children. Feck me that's disgusting and hope the badlands who did it are name and shared and locked up.

goose2005

Malayalam wrote: »

I cannot help but wonder when I read about these horrible cases - Rottherham, Rochdale, now Telford - if there is a big element of classism in the handling of them. The wider public must have observed something - indeed powerful people from higher social strata may have been directly involved on some level, although that rarely surfaces evidence-wise. Could there have been a wider societal condescension that regards these young girls (primarily girls, I believe) as being from a lower class, and therefore prone to bad behaviour and recklessness, and thus people looked away and ignored signs of what was happening. Similar to the way for example that the Irish middle classes looked away from the Magdalene laundries, where communities knew what was going on but regarded the women as generally low class ignorant girls who got themselves in trouble and therefore were deserving of their comeuppance. In other words this would probably not happen in the leafier suburbs - there seems something despicably laissez-faire and discriminatory in the whole sick phenomenon.
I could be totally incorrect in this observation.

I can remember reading about Fred and Rosemary West, they were incredibly sloppy and careless in their crimes but got away with it for a long time because they targeted drifters and runaways who no-one would miss. I think of 12 victims, only 6 were reported missing.

ceadaoin.

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Look what happened to Sarah Champion when she spoke up. She is the elected Labour MP for Rotherham who believes that up to 1 million girls in the UK have been groomed by mainly Pakistani Muslims. She also stated that she still gets 1 to 3 girls a week coming to her clinic complaining about continued abuse.

She had to resign as shadow equalities minister because she wrote an article that highlighted that Britain has a problem with Pakistani men abusing white girls. She was pilloried by the Labour Party and Corbyn's supporters in Momentum and quit. She was called an Islamophobe, racist and a bigot.

There is something very sinister happening in the labour party and particularly momentum IMO. She's not the the only woman to be forced out in this way in recent times for "wrong think". They are becoming more and more authoritarian.

Pepefrogok

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

Even this Nostradamus/Einstein knew what was up over 7 years ago. But the police did nothing. Really sad and dark situation.

When you think about thousands of children being raped over decades by gangs, you're talking about a really broken society.

I remember this is the main thing that made me question liberalism and pushed me to the right, I seen young men coming together out of desperation trying to protect their communities, now they certainly weren't eloquent or well organised but they were doing all they could, the entire machine of the left, the media, the leftist government of the day to protect their votes and the security services all joined to fight and silence them, you still today even on this forum usually by people trying to deflect will utter "muslamic ray guns" mocking this poor man who was simply trying to highlight Muslim rape gangs raping children in his community, history has shown him to be correct and the lefties who mocked him as enablers for racist grooming gangs. When you read why Tommy Robinson started the EDL you can have nothing but sympathy for him and look how he is treated now! The cover up of crimes and shutting down of dissenting voices is still active, here's a video of Tommy and his camera woman being attacked a few days ago, the police instantly told him they wouldn't be investigating it, that's unreal.
https://youtu.be/Nn5RtDC-roI

Then just look at his last few posts, first two people from GI came over to interview him, theyvseem held for three days!

"Hours after landing in Vienna following their release from a UK immigration detention centre, I sat down with Martin Sellner and Brittany Pettibone to discuss their ordeal, and to talk about the unfair and unreasonable harassment they have faced simply because of their conservative views | FULL CLIP: https://goo.gl/PVAK7N"

Then Laura has been held at Calais, Calais ffs, look at the people who get in there! This is madness.

"So Lauren southern has been arrested & detained . She is currently in a detention facility in Calais under police control. We allow Isis fighter & radical Islamic preachers into our country yet we are detaining American & now Canadian female journalists who report the truth"

Update

"It looks like they are about to deport Lauren southern from not just Britain but from Europe. The racism they speak about is the enforcement of blasphemy laws . Lauren criticised Islam in Luton she never mentioned or spoke about race. These are dark times for Britain"

Pepefrogok

https://www.westmonster.com/bbc-pretty-much-ignores-telford-child-grooming-scandal/

A good question, perhaps the largest grooming gangs even and not on the news? Can only imagine the reaction if it was gangs of white people attacking children of ethnic minorities. I think more and more are opening their eyes to all this now.

Pepefrogok

Pepefrogok wrote: »

https://www.westmonster.com/bbc-pretty-much-ignores-telford-child-grooming-scandal/

A good question, perhaps the largest grooming gangs even and not on the news? Can only imagine the reaction if it was gangs of white people attacking children of ethnic minorities. I think more and more are opening their eyes to all this now.

this gang?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-13766736

Doltanian

The Prophet Mohammad was a pedophile, as a rolemodel for the greater Muslim community it is obvious to reason that a small minority of his followers will also follow some of the Prophets more extreme teachings. However a small minority of nearly 2billion followers is still a hell of alot of seriously bad dudes

However this is not questioned or allowed to be challenged because of leftwing political correctness.

Roman Catholic Pedophile priests bad

Islamic Pedophile Gangs, good and culturally enriching mmmmkay

Aegir

Aegir wrote: »

this gang?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-13766736

Sweet Jesus Christ that article is disgusting. The Prosecutor ffs said that some of the girls were "in love" with the perpetrators. ****ing hell.

markodaly

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Well according to that very visible feminist halfwit Lily Allen, these working class girls would probably have been raped anyway!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5246685/Lily-Allen-sparks-fury-Rochdale-grooming-victims.html

Brilliant! People like her go to hell and back to protect their ideology. She is a brainwashed loon. I wonder will any of her friends no-platform her?

quintana76

Proves what the reality has been all the time. A class war on working class whites by middle class over privleged know-nothings and their media buddies.

Red_Wake

When people pretend facts are incorrect to enable their beliefs, you can expect sick individuals to find room in the gaps to abuse others.

ceadaoin.

Pepefrogok wrote: »

I remember this is the main thing that made me question liberalism and pushed me to the right, I seen young men coming together out of desperation trying to protect their communities, now they certainly weren't eloquent or well organised but they were doing all they could, the entire machine of the left, the media, the leftist government of the day to protect their votes and the security services all joined to fight and silence them, you still today even on this forum usually by people trying to deflect will utter "muslamic ray guns" mocking this poor man who was simply trying to highlight Muslim rape gangs raping children in his community, history has shown him to be correct and the lefties who mocked him as enablers for racist grooming gangs. When you read why Tommy Robinson started the EDL you can have nothing but sympathy for him and look how he is treated now! The cover up of crimes and shutting down of dissenting voices is still active, here's a video of Tommy and his camera woman being attacked a few days ago, the police instantly told him they wouldn't be investigating it, that's unreal.
https://youtu.be/Nn5RtDC-roI

Then just look at his last few posts, first two people from GI came over to interview him, theyvseem held for three days!

"Hours after landing in Vienna following their release from a UK immigration detention centre, I sat down with Martin Sellner and Brittany Pettibone to discuss their ordeal, and to talk about the unfair and unreasonable harassment they have faced simply because of their conservative views | FULL CLIP: https://goo.gl/PVAK7N"

Then Laura has been held at Calais, Calais ffs, look at the people who get in there! This is madness.

"So Lauren southern has been arrested & detained . She is currently in a detention facility in Calais under police control. We allow Isis fighter & radical Islamic preachers into our country yet we are detaining American & now Canadian female journalists who report the truth"

Update

"It looks like they are about to deport Lauren southern from not just Britain but from Europe. The racism they speak about is the enforcement of blasphemy laws . Lauren criticised Islam in Luton she never mentioned or spoke about race. These are dark times for Britain"

Remember when a journalist who was planning to investigate the jersey care home abuse was also detained at Heathrow and banned from entering the UK? Scary stuff alright


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xd4954/the-journalist-who-was-banned-from-investigating-jerseys-child-abuse

Also, in recent days, a woman has been arrested, questioned and banned from leaving the company for criticising a children's transgender charity in Twitter

Meanwhile, a woman who criticised a transgender charity on Twitter has been questioned under caution by police and told she will be arrested if she tries to leave the country. Kellie-Jay Keen- Minshull accused the group Mermaids of “suppressing free speech”.

She had accused Mermaids, which calls for children to be allowed irreversible sex-change treatment the NHS currently prohibits, of “prey[ing]” on gay teenagers and of “mass child abuse”. Mermaids declined to comment.

So the police will take action for that, but grooming and abusing thousands of girls over decades is allowed to happen? Doesn't make sense

Skullface McGubbin

So like Rotherham, what we have here is another case where establishment figures will go great lengths to conform to political correctness to the extent that they would let stuff like this go on for as long as it did unchallenged & ignored because they don't want be seen as racist.

It shows a very important fact that political correctness is not harmless.

suicide_circus

Rule number 1: DON'T UPSET THE MINORITIES

jmayo

eviltwin wrote: »

Well connected people involved in the abuse and cover up no doubt

Only in the cover ups as in Rochdale, Rotherham, Newcastle, etc, etc.

Vic_08 wrote: »

You aren't.

That's not to say the toffs aren't at it too. That is part of the problem, they are unlikely to be part of the Pakistani rings but the less fuss that is made of organised Paedo abusers the less chance the establishment rings get a spotlight shone on them as well. It has definitely been in the interest of a lot of powerful people to keep a lid on how widespread and organised the abuse of vulnerable children is.

Yes there have been toff paedo rings, but lets just discuss the elephant or should that be the camel in the room.

A girl, her mother and sister were murdered by her abuser one Ali Mehmood, 26 when he set fire to her house in 2000 in Telford.

In 2002 another girl was killed in an explained car accident that had reported being groomed by an "Asian" gang.

Seven men jailed in 2013 following police probe into Telford area child prostitution included
Mubarek Ali, 34, and his brother Ahdel Ali, 27 who were both jailed for sexually abusing, trafficking, and prostituting teens.

The above referenced BBC article includes

Nine men deny a range of sexual offences against seven girls in Shropshire.

The men, who are aged between 21 and 59 and from Telford, face more than 50 charges at Stafford Crown Court.

Charges include rape, controlling child prostitution and sexual activity with girls under the age of 16

One of the defendants is accused of trafficking a child in the UK for exploitation.

The men on trial are Ahdel Ali, 23, Murbarek Ali, 28, Mohammed Ali Sultan, 24, Tanveer Ahmed, 39, Mahroof Khan, 33, Noshad Hussain, 21, Mohammed Islam Choudhrey, 52, Mohammed Younis, 59 and 34-year-old Abdul Rouf.

They deny all of the charges, which relate to the alleged sexual abuse and exploitation of girls in Wellington between September 2007 and December 2009.

The victims are seven teenage girls, one of whom was 13 years old at the time the alleged offences were committed.

And the prosecutor made this statement...

She said the case was not about race, religion, colour or creed and it was not claimed that the men had a specific interest in children or that it was a "paedophile ring".

Fooks sake one doesn't have to be a member of the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit to figure the common thread amongst all the perpetrators in these cases.

Now I could show pics of all the scumbags listed , but the last time that happened we ended up having a discussion about people's skin colour rather than their cultural backgrounds.

BTW rather than try twist these stories about toffs, establishment, police possible being involved in the abuse lets discuss the fact that the overwhelming numbers involved in this come from a muslim background. :rolleyes:

And it is a gross insult to Chinese, Indians, Filipinos, Japanese, etc to label the background of the perps as simply Asian.

And people still attack the ones that have been warning of this for years as fascists, bigots and far right loons.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Sweet Jesus Christ that article is disgusting. The Prosecutor ffs said that some of the girls were "in love" with the perpetrators. ****ing hell.

that's how grooming more or less works. Older men with money shower their victims with gifts, drugs etc and they eventually fall in live and do whatever they want.

Mrs OBumble

end of the road wrote: »

agreed, and that is what britain has been for a long time. a very broken society.

Says the man whose society featured industrial schools for decades after the Brits had closed theirs, Magdalene laundries, Grace, Aras Attracta, etc.


Just how well do ye think that the welfare system in Ireland protects girls aged 14-17 who go into care here - especially foreign ones who are unaccompanied. Do you ever see reports about them going missing?

This is about power and perversion, not race.

wakka12

Evil ***** who didn't report child abuse for fear of being racist should be hanged alongside the paedophiles

Aegir

Aegir wrote: »

that's how grooming more or less works. Older men with money shower their victims with gifts, drugs etc and they eventually fall in live and do whatever they want.

The prosecutor shouldn't be putting it that way. They were coerced and all the rest. It's like saying that the victims enjoyed the attention, that's something for the scumbag defence to say.

Mrs OBumble

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

This is about power and perversion, not race.

Pure bull**** and outright lies.

Red_Wake

Deleted User wrote: »

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

This is about power and perversion, not race.

Pure bull**** and outright lies.

It's just entirely aligned along racial lines tbf.

jacksie66

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Red_Wake

Red_Wake wrote: »

It's just entirely aligned along racial lines tbf.

Not even, it's among religious lines.
Sikhs in England have been complaining since the 90s about media etc. referring to "Asian" gangs, they don't want to be included in the BS. The gangs even target Sikh girls, anyone non-Muslim basically.
The other day the BBC mentioned 84% of those convicted in these cases have been South Asian. That won't include the Iraqis and Turks who've been caught. I wonder what common denominator they had with the 84%.

jmayo

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Says the man whose society featured industrial schools for decades after the Brits had closed theirs, Magdalene laundries, Grace, Aras Attracta, etc.


Just how well do ye think that the welfare system in Ireland protects girls aged 14-17 who go into care here - especially foreign ones who are unaccompanied. Do you ever see reports about them going missing?

This is about power and perversion, not race.

Nice go at the old Deflection and Whataboutery.
What is even funnier is you were having a go at a poster who indulges in the exact same whataboutery and spends most of their time around here taking threads off topic.

Deleted User wrote: »

Not even, it's among religious lines.
Sikhs in England have been complaining since the 90s about media etc. referring to "Asian" gangs, they don't want to be included in the BS. The gangs even target Sikh girls, anyone non-Muslim basically.
The other day the BBC mentioned 84% of those convicted in these cases have been South Asian. That won't include the Iraqis and Turks who've been caught. I wonder what common denominator they had with the 84%.

In the past muslim gangs tried to hit on Sikh girls, but unlike the communities where they have been finding most of their victims, the communities predominantly sharing the same background as the police force, the local authorities, the child protection agencies, the Sikh community stood up and faced down the gangs.

Maybe they learned a bit from their ancestors and relatives in India in how to deal with such people.

One Tommy Robinson was recently suspended from Twitter for correctly pointing out the stats from the UK about paedo grooming gangs.

He pointed out that 84% of those convicted of child grooming-gang offenses since 2005 were from an Asian background. The report found 222 of 264 of people convicted of specific grooming-gang crimes were Asian.
And we all know what Asian means don't we. :rolleyes:

BTW the report was from counter-extremism think tank the Quilliam Foundation whose founder one Maajid Nawaz an ex Hizb ut-Tahrir member and political prisoner in Egypt.
Nawaz actually responded by messaging Twitter directly, standing up for Robinson.
He confimed as fact that the convicted are 84% Muslim compared to just 7% of population.

Maybe he is also a racist like Robinson :rolleyes:

end of the road

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Says the man whose society featured industrial schools for decades after the Brits had closed theirs, Magdalene laundries, Grace, Aras Attracta, etc.


Just how well do ye think that the welfare system in Ireland protects girls aged 14-17 who go into care here - especially foreign ones who are unaccompanied. Do you ever see reports about them going missing?

This is about power and perversion, not race.

hold on now. i'm well aware of my country's problems. i have never ever denied them and i have been hugely critical of all of them whether they exist currently, or existed in the past.
but for all of ireland's current problems, i'm glad i'm from ireland then britain. ireland is in many ways a much better country to live and i find i have a better lifestyle and quality of life here over all then i would likely have if i was from britain.
back to the actual topic, these vermin, the gangs and those who covered it up, must all be jailed for life and never be allowed back into society.

jacksie66 wrote: »

Just like the case in Newcastle West last week. Because it was perpetrated by a certain minority it has all but disappeared from the Irish media..

there hasn't actually been any update on that specific case from what i can see, so that's probably why it's not in the media at the moment.

weisses

Brexit ... Best thing that happened

20Cent

Interesting interview with a detective talking about how difficult it is to prosecute these gangs. Maybe the issue is with that rather than a conspiracy to avoid racial tensions.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/speechless-call-child-exploitation/

Pepefrogok

20Cent wrote: »

Interesting interview with a detective talking about how difficult it is to prosecute these gangs. Maybe the issue is with that rather than a conspiracy to avoid racial tensions.

http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/speechless-call-child-exploitation/

Its not even a debate anymore, there has been a huge investigation, the j report etc, stop trying to defend the indefensible, children were sacrificed at the altar of political correctness.

Captain Obvious

weisses wrote: »

Brexit ... Best thing that happened

How has this anything to do with Brexit?

ceadaoin.

In somerset, the victim of one these grooming gangs was prosecuted for a hate crime for "racially abusing" her rapist. Despite the police being fully aware that he had been in a relationship (as she thought it was because grooming) with this girl since she was a young teenager and that he had "relationships" with several other young teenagers, getting at least two of them pregnant, he wasn't charged with any crime until years later. They had multiple evidence of this guy's sexual relationships with underage girls over the years including

- receipts for abortions found in this man's home
- indecent images of the girls found on his phone
-multiple reports of abusive behaviour towards girls, threatening them with knives, forcing them to beg and pimping them out to his friends.
- parents going to the police about him on many occasions.
-being the father of at least 2 children with teenage girls
-the girl receiving counseling from social services after 2 suicide attempts where it is acknowledged she is suffering from PTSD as a result of the abuse from this man


Never were charges brought because the relationships were deemed consensual despite that being impossible in law. Yet all it takes is one report from him alleging racial abuse and a victim is charged with a crime. Unbelievable.


This is totally ****ed up. the disdain shown towards these girls by the authorities is disgusting. This is just one girl and her family who went through hell. Thousands more like her. It's indefensible and it's no wonder that the usual suspects who minimise, down play and deflect from these issues are nowhere to be seen in this thread

From this report


http://sscb.safeguardingsomerset.org.uk/download/3307/

In November 2011, perpetrator A complained to the police that 16 year old Q was verbally racially abusing him. She was charged and at a later trial found not guilty. By this stage Q had disclosed to police her sexual relationship with perpetrator A, and a police investigation had been initiated, but following her retraction the investigation was filed as no further action. Moreover, at the time of the incident perpetrator A was in the street with 6 teenage girls, which should have been viewed as a cause for concern, given the history of allegations known to police. A victim support letter was sent to Perpetrator A, although it noted the history of 'domestic issues' between him and Q. The officer in charge noted that A had been in an underage relationship with Q. However, there was no senior officer involvement and these factors were not shared with the CPS who made the decision to charge Q.


The police report for this serious case review suggests that on occasion police officers were confused over what was the most important issue to deal with, with the alleged 'hate' crime overshadowing the real offending taking place around CSE. Hate crime is seen as a high priority offence that requires robust action, and the response in isolation would be correct, but not when placed in the context of the wider picture already known to the police.

The prosecution of victims of CSE for alleged 'hate' crimes against the very people already known to have abused them is a further abuse of the victims, and will undermine any trust they might have in authorities.