Woman given 2 1/2 years suspended sentence for false rape claim

corks finest

splinter65 wrote: »

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Probably knew the guy and had a grudge against him.

She didn’t know him at all, the guy who was a suspect.
She had sex with an ex she ran into on a drunken night out, in a car park, how romantic.
She didn’t accuse him, she said she’d been raped by a Pakistani in a green hoodie.
On CCTV she was spotted with a guy walking behind her in a green hoodie, a Czech guy. She’d never even spoken to him.
He was questioned and was hours away from being arrested and charged.
Poor cnut.
Further CCTV showed her with the guy she had consensual sex with.
She only admitted her lies then.

Wow disgusting creature

ardinn

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

these cases are in no way similar, not even mildly. for starters, the suspect in this case (the green hoodie guy) never had sex with the girl at all. and there was only one. in the other case the fact they had sex has been openly admitted and bragged about by the several men accused.

I've had 6 women (close friends or exes) reveal to me they were raped in the past, and none of them reported it to police at the time they happened. Attitudes like yours are far more harmful to society IMO than this isolated case that was quickly unravelled.

Anyone who thinks this case should be held up as some indicator of the prevalence of false rape claims is a special kind of primate. I'd say the number of unreported sexual assaults dwarf the number of false assault claims by a massive, massive margin.

That may be the case but it certainly does not excuse the fact that this dispicable bitch should have every book available thrown at her - as should any men who commit the crime!

And regarding the case in the north, my personal opinion is either buyers remorse or she was hoping for a few quid hush money, whether or not thats true is anyones guess, but if she is also making a false claim then you can see the serious issues that we have with false claims and why they should be dealt with so harshly!

And regards the bolded bit - your saying a case where a false claim was made should not be used as an indicator of false claims - Interesting! Special kind of primate indeed!

Odyssey 2005

dasdenny wrote: »

DUH Yeah:D:D

Ok Einstein.
Enlighten us,. What's your theory?.

Pepefrogok

ardinn wrote: »

That may be the case but it certainly does not excuse the fact that this dispicable bitch should have every book available thrown at her - as should any men who commit the crime!

And regarding the case in the north, my personal opinion is either buyers remorse or she was hoping for a few quid hush money, whether or not thats true is anyones guess, but if she is also making a false claim then you can see the serious issues that we have with false claims and why they should be dealt with so harshly!

And regards the bolded bit - your saying a case where a false claim was made should not be used as an indicator of false claims - Interesting! Special kind of primate indeed!

Of course she should be punished if she is falsely accusing people of such a heinous crime, in my opinion the penalty should match that of the crime invented would receive but you can't just assume her story has no merit, can't help but think this woman wouldn't get so much negativity if it wasn't many people's hero's involved, let all have their fair day in court and see where the dice fall.

Isshelying

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

The real problem with that is that it's an insult to all women who have genuinely been raped, and a slap in the face to those who feel too scared to report it.

Glad she's been named, though.

Why does it always have to be turned around that women are always the victim in these situations? The real problem is the damage she has done to an innocent man and almost cost him his liberty. Women will never understand the damage a false accusation of rape does to a man. It never goes away, even when it's proven false. It's a harrowing thing to have follow you around and it deserved a jail sentence.

splinter65

Chrongen wrote: »

Give your arse a chance

Your not happy with the outcome of this case Chrongen?

professore

Isshelying wrote: »

Why does it always have to be turned around that women are always the victim in these situations? The real problem is the damage she has done to an innocent man and almost cost him his liberty. Women will never understand the damage a false accusation of rape does to a man. It never goes away, even when it's proven false. It's a harrowing thing to have follow you around and it deserved a jail sentence.

That's not true - we have a rape culture where rapists are celebrated and boys have to be taught not to rape. Women never lie, and must be believed unquestioningly about being raped, unless the rapist is Muslim in which case she's lying and a racist. There is no such thing as a crazy or vindictive woman who sets out to destroy a man's life by any means possible.

Women are paid less than men for the same work even though it's illegal and companies hate women so much that they would rather be unprofitable than employ all women and pay them less.

Men always lie, and are fully responsible for their actions unlike women.

If a woman and a man are equally drunk, she can't consent but he can, and has a superior ability to understand consent when drunk than she does. If he doesn't consent, who cares, men are always up for sex regardless who with.

And the best one.. Gender is a social construct, so the next time you get a false rape accusation, identity as a woman and you'll be fine.

The above is the world we live in.

splinter65

corks finest wrote: »

Wow disgusting creature

It just shows a total lack of any kind of morals or conscience. She might have some very redeeming features for all I know but she was quite happy to keep lying and pretending and wasting the cops time and destroying an innocent mans life right up until she was presented with indisputable evidence.
Then she thought it was simply a question of her walking away with no consequences.
Was she going to sit in the witness box being cross examined by this mans barrister if it had gone to court?
There have been a few high profile cases in the UK recently which have actually gone to court.
Do we not need to ask why that is?
Serious repercussions for real rape victims but that’s not the main thing.
The main thing is the readiness to lie and destroy someone else for no reason and how you can justify that in your head.

Isshelying

splinter65 wrote: »

She didn’t know him at all, the guy who was a suspect.
She had sex with an ex she ran into on a drunken night out, in a car park, how romantic.
She didn’t accuse him, she said she’d been raped by a Pakistani in a green hoodie.
On CCTV she was spotted with a guy walking behind her in a green hoodie, a Czech guy. She’d never even spoken to him.
He was questioned and was hours away from being arrested and charged.
Poor cnut.
Further CCTV showed her with the guy she had consensual sex with.
She only admitted her lies then.

The Indo article has mentioned she has since married so it would seem probable that she was going out with her now husband at the time. She went out, got drunk and cheated on him with an ex it seems, and then tried to use the excuse of I was raped to cover her tracks. Because no one can ever dare question a supposed rape victim, right? No thought given to the innocent man whose life she almost destroyed and certainly put through hell.

Becks610

These cases are always so tricky. The person in this case should have been sent to prison- I would think that all sentences for crimes in Ireland are too lenient , it’s not a case of women or men get more lienency than the other.

Just as it is extremely difficult to prove rape it is also difficult to prove that itdidnt happen so a lot of so called false allegations may not be false( the one in this thread is obv). Just because there isn’t enough for a criminal conviction doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

fullstop

fullstop wrote: »

Plan on finishing that sentence?

I love that fullstop was the one to type this.

Rerto

dasdenny wrote: »

Hmmm, your very first post Retro.....

What's your point? Everyone has a first post. Except you ... you skipped straight to your 100th post which was golden quality and got 1000 thanks.

martingriff

professore wrote: »

That's not true - we have a rape culture where rapists are celebrated and boys have to be taught not to rape. Women never lie, and must be believed unquestioningly about being raped, unless the rapist is Muslim in which case she's lying and a racist. There is no such thing as a crazy or vindictive woman who sets out to destroy a man's life by any means possible.

Women are paid less than men for the same work even though it's illegal and companies hate women so much that they would rather be unprofitable than employ all women and pay them less.

Men always lie, and are fully responsible for their actions unlike women.

If a woman and a man are equally drunk, she can't consent but he can, and has a superior ability to understand consent when drunk than she does. If he doesn't consent, who cares, men are always up for sex regardless who with.

And the best one.. Gender is a social construct, so the next time you get a false rape accusation, identity as a woman and you'll be fine.

The above is the world we live in.

Sorry but WTF generalizing much men have to be thought not to rape that's the all men are rapist bullcrap that goes around.

Yes women have to see what happens if you lie in court about been raped but what the poster you quoted is true. I was asked once if I was in a shopping centre where a kid was crying looking for his mom/dad would you go and help I said no as I be instantly seen as a pedo or something due to that mentality I bolded above. I may be seen as a heartless b!%&!rd but I can live with that hell even escape it but an accusation of that or rape follows you around for life like a bad odour

Rubberchikken

This is why i feel that the accused should be given anonymity in a rape case until proven guilty.
I think only right she was named and maybe the suspended sentence will make her think twice about crying wolf.

Rubberchikken

Rubberchikken wrote: »

This is why i feel that the accused should be given anonymity in a rape case until proven guilty.
I think only right she was named and maybe the suspended sentence will make her think twice about crying wolf.

I seriously don't get that. How is a suspended sentence any kind of punishment for seeking to ruin someones life?

It's basically a very minor slap on the wrist. There's no real punishment involved. And I don't see this going to be anything that encourages other women not to declare false testimony or make false rape claims.

The chances of getting caught out in making a false allegation are low, considering that all she needed to have done was get into a private area for a few moments with the guy and it would be impossible to disprove her claim. That's how easy it's become to push for a declaration of rape, along with any decent legal backing. That fact that this case was clear-cut just shows that she didn't think about it before making the claim... but others do take the time (and consultations with friends)

A suspended sentence isn't a message that says we're going to punish you. It's saying we'll forgive you when you do it, as long as you don't mess about afterward. For a while. But the damage will have been done, and there's pretty good odds that you'll succeed.

Irish Guitarist

Did she see a total stranger and accuse him of rape? Or did she make up a fake description which coincidentally matched that of a man who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Why did sex with the ex come into it? I thought previous sexual behaviour should be completely irrelevant to a rape trial. :pac:

splinter65

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why did sex with the ex come into it? I thought previous sexual behaviour should be completely irrelevant to a rape trial. :pac:

There wasn’t a rape trial. There was no rape.
Did you read any of the reports of the crime?
The sex with the ex was totally relevant because as part of the lie she allowed herself to be examined by a sexual assault unit (wasting more time and money). This examination revealed bleeding and bruising, further damning the innocent suspect.
When her story unraveled she admitted that on the night in question she’d had rough but consensual sex in a car park with an ex that she just happened to meet on the street after she got separated from her friends.
The ex actually got into the witness box and gave evidence at the trial.
Do you think this was unfair to her in some way?

She got the suspended sentence because she did not accuse an actual person instead she accused a non-national person in a green hoodie it's still wrong but that is the reason she got the suspended sentence. If she has named an actual person it would have been different.

Danjamin1

martingriff wrote: »

Sorry but WTF generalizing much men have to be thought not to rape that's the all men are rapist bullcrap that goes around.

Yes women have to see what happens if you lie in court about been raped but what the poster you quoted is true. I was asked once if I was in a shopping centre where a kid was crying looking for his mom/dad would you go and help I said no as I be instantly seen as a pedo or something due to that mentality I bolded above. I may be seen as a heartless b!%&!rd but I can live with that hell even escape it but an accusation of that or rape follows you around for life like a bad odour

I think the post you quoted was supposed to be tongue in cheek. I don’t think the poster really agrees with the statements but is implying that is the current popular perception some people would have you believe.

splinter65

Danjamin1 wrote: »

I think the post you quoted was supposed to be tongue in cheek. I don’t think the poster really agrees with the statements but is implying that is the current popular perception some people would have you believe.

And that is the popular perception at the moment.

manonboard

NinetyTwoTeam wrote: »

Anyone who thinks this case should be held up as some indicator of the prevalence of false rape claims is a special kind of primate. I'd say the number of unreported sexual assaults dwarf the number of false assault claims by a massive, massive margin.

I don't think it's fair to label in a degrading sense, people who think that this cause should indeed be a indicator that false rape accusations happen and should be highlighted.
Nobody has claimed in this thread that it happens the majority of the time, or even a huge amount in ratio to real accusations.

i have about 12 close female friends. about 10 of them have been raped by public admission. It's a horrible statistic and one that is difficult to hold in my heart knowing how many it happened to. Some very violent.

I have about 5 close male friends. 2 of which have been falsely accused of rape. Proven in court.

Holding these cases up as examples is warranted. For some people, their lives and the lives of thier friends have been severely twisted by false accusations. It is perfectly reasonable for them to be angry and fearful of these incidents. The same as it is perfectly reasonable to be angry and fearful of real accusations for being who are at risk/have been raped.

Hector Bellend

Personally, if I was falsely accused of raping a woman, I'd sue her out of existence.

Rape is a disgusting crime and should be handled with the utmost sensitivity, however ending up i prison on a knowingly false case is equally as disgusting

splinter65

splinter65 wrote: »

There wasn’t a rape trial. There was no rape.
Did you read any of the reports of the crime?
The sex with the ex was totally relevant because as part of the lie she allowed herself to be examined by a sexual assault unit (wasting more time and money). This examination revealed bleeding and bruising, further damning the innocent suspect.
When her story unraveled she admitted that on the night in question she’d had rough but consensual sex in a car park with an ex that she just happened to meet on the street after she got separated from her friends.
The ex actually got into the witness box and gave evidence at the trial.
Do you think this was unfair to her in some way?

Sorry, rape investigation. :pac:

Nah just pointing out that in an actual rape case anything to do with the accuser's sexual past and behaviour which is used in court is generally deemed by the masses to be victim blaming, with-hunty irrelevant stuff. Even though in this case it's shown to be very relevant.

Grayson

I'd like to know more about the events that happened. Like why did she make the report in the first place. Did she wake up after having sex with someone and think she'd been raped?
The reason I ask this is because the story says she pled innocent to knowingly making a false claim. Did she actually believe that she had been raped at some point?

kunst nugget

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Here's your answer!(Well according to some people)
https://twitter.com/NWCI/status/843058871140794369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2057807886%26page%3D101&tfw_site=boards_ie

Jesus, does Louise O'Neill have to be shoehorned into as many threads as possible on boards?

Surely there should be a Godwin style law in relation to her on this forum at this stage…

BattleCorp

manonboard wrote: »

i have about 12 close female friends. about 10 of them have been raped by public admission. It's a horrible statistic and one that is difficult to hold in my heart knowing how many it happened to. Some very violent.

I have about 5 close male friends. 2 of which have been falsely accused of rape. Proven in court.

To be perfectly honest, I'm having a hard time believing your stats there.

Mutant z

Good those sort of false allegations have ruined lives maybe now it will make people hink twice in future before making unfounded damaging allegations.

Kidchameleon

mariaalice wrote: »

She got the suspended sentence because she did not accuse an actual person instead she accused a non-national person in a green hoodie it's still wrong but that is the reason she got the suspended sentence. If she has named an actual person it would have been different.

The person she identified was taken in for questioning and had articles of clothing taken. Id have had a panic attack. That poor guy was VERY close to having his life ruined. That scumbag accuser should be jailed

ShowMeTheCash

bilbot79 wrote: »

I was addressing the eye for an eye nature of the suggested punishment. She should be punished according to her crime. Not the crime she accused him of

Perhaps but you also where making your own judgment on her crime and even gave your own take on a more appropriate punishment...

Defaming register for attempting to remove ones liberty, good job we do not execute people in the country!