Would you like to attend a housing protest?

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

I see you're trying to re-introduce Ms Cash and birth control into this which has nothing with the housing crisis which affects a few million people.
So yes, you finally agree that a person being charged a minimum 1500 a month is fine to live in Dublin, and if they dare moan about that rent they should get a better job yeh?

Ms Cash has 7 kids. She’s not the only “Single” parent with multiple children seeking her foreva home.

As for the rest of your post, I’ll just treat it with the disdain it deserves. Please don’t try to twist my comments to suit your agenda. By all means attend your protest. I’ll decline. I’ve a job to go to in order to buy food and heating. It’s actually very rewarding knowing that you’re able to support yourself and your family.

klaaaz

Allinall wrote: »

A few million eh?

Rubbish.

Yes, a few million people pay rent/mortgage in this country.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

Yes, a few million people pay rent/mortgage in this country.

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Great sense of humor. Thanks for that. Oh, Dear.

Mad_maxx

klaaaz wrote: »

So you begrudge(assuming your figure is correct) the help that the pensioners, the disabled and the sick on welfare receive. Neo capitalism at its finest hour.

Point was landlords contribute

Mad_maxx

klaaaz wrote: »

Dublin is not London, Dublin has the equivalent population wise to less than a Manchester or a Birmingham. It's pure greed as to why everyone who wishes to rent or buy is ultimately screwed in order to afford a place to live

Dublin is a far more important city than Manchester or Birmingham in terms of business, pointless comparing to London, it has no equal bar new York.

klaaaz

Deleted User wrote: »

Ms Cash has 7 kids. She’s not the only “Single” parent with multiple children seeking her foreva home.

As for the rest of your post, I’ll just treat it with the disdain it deserves. Please don’t try to twist my comments to suit your agenda. By all means attend your protest. I’ll decline. I’ve a job to go to in order to buy food and heating. It’s actually very rewarding knowing that you’re able to support yourself and your family.

You seem obsessed with Ms Cash who has garnered the media's attention and the wealthy elite's attention as a distraction to the everyday woes of the starving and those struggling to pay for a roof over their heads.

My posts do not deserve any disdain, they speak the reality of the hardship for many. Good for you being able to pay for food and heating and never have to go to a food bank for your next meal.
Many cannot put food on the table due to sky high rents with that minimum 1,500 a month you approve of or else they will be out in the freezing cold

BlackandGreen

Deleted User wrote: »

Ms Cash has 7 kids. She’s not the only “Single” parent with multiple children seeking her foreva home.

As for the rest of your post, I’ll just treat it with the disdain it deserves. Please don’t try to twist my comments to suit your agenda. By all means attend your protest. I’ll decline. I’ve a job to go to in order to buy food and heating. It’s actually very rewarding knowing that you’re able to support yourself and your family.

Not really going to get involved in this sh*tshow of a thread, but I also have a job and will be attending. It's on a saturday too. I work weekends but am lucky enough to be off this saturday.
All the snide comments and personal attacks in this thread is pretty much the reason why I stopped visiting after hours a good few years ago.
Occasionally I come back but like, comments like yours are just not helpful and stupid

I'm going to bed now. I have to be up for work at 6am so I wont be engaging in debates, sorry. Not intended as a cop out.
But its better than the typical *I got the last word hahaha why did you run away* type ****e like you see above.

What do be wrong with people I don't know.
G'luck.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

You seem obsessed with Ms Cash who has garnered the media's attention and the wealthy elite's attention as a distraction to the everyday woes of the starving and those struggling to pay for a roof over their heads.

My posts do not deserve any disdain, they speak the reality of the hardship for many. Good for you being able to pay for food and heating and never have to go to a food bank for your next meal.
Many cannot put food on the table due to sky high rents with that minimum 1,500 a month you approve of or else they will be out in the freezing cold

YOU mentioned Ms Cash. Not me. I actually had another “Single” mother in mind. One who was living in her old bedroom in her mothers council house, when she proceeds to have 2 more children with nowhere for them.

There aren’t many who cannot afford to care for themselves and their families. Dublin isn’t the only place in Ireland with homes to rent or buy. Those screaming loudest about the “homeless” crisis are playing you like a violin. They’re looking to the upcoming local and general elections and care little for their electorate.

Allinall

klaaaz wrote: »

Yes, a few million people pay rent/mortgage in this country.

Yes. But the so called housing crisis doesn’t affect them all.

I have a mortgage, as do thousands of others who are not affected.

So your “millions” is bull****e.

klaaaz

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Point was landlords contribute

And Reit's who have bought thousands of homes?

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Dublin is a far more important city than Manchester or Birmingham in terms of business, pointless comparing to London, it has no equal bar new York.

You sure? Manchester/Birmingham have a larger base population. Sure Dublin has about 1.2m , but those cities have much more. Dublin is the main city on the western most island in the Atlantic, we're not a Rotterdam or Frankfurt either. There is a huge factor here as to why housing is so expensive to most major European cities, it's pure greed facilitated by FFG helping the wealthy to have cornered the market.

BlackandGreen

BlackandGreen wrote: »

Not really going to get involved in this sh*tshow of a thread, but I also have a job and will be attending. It's on a saturday too. I work weekends but am lucky enough to be off this saturday.
All the snide comments and personal attacks in this thread is pretty much the reason why I stopped visiting after hours a good few years ago.
Occasionally I come back but like, comments like yours are just not helpful and stupid

I'm going to bed now. I have to be up for work at 6am so I wont be engaging in debates, sorry. Not intended as a cop out.
But its better than the typical *I got the last word hahaha why did you run away* type ****e like you see above.

What do be wrong with people I don't know.
G'luck.

Me neither. Night night.

lawred2

klaaaz wrote: »

I see you're trying to re-introduce Ms Cash and birth control into this which has nothing with the housing crisis which affects a few million people.
So yes, you finally agree that a person being charged a minimum 1500 a month is fine to live in Dublin, and if they dare moan about that rent they should get a better job yeh?

Half the population Ireland is affected by the housing crisis?

In what way?

I suppose you might be right in that people could be affected in the sense of being fed up listening to claptrap of this variety..

Berserker

scheister wrote: »

I am yet to hear anything from either the left or right in this country that will fix the crisis.

There is no individual or group out there who is interested in solving the crisis. You have individuals and groups who want the property market "fixed" to meet their needs but that's not going to fix the problem completely.

Squatter wrote: »

The State should introduce realistic incentives for them to downsize, possibly linked with some form of fiscal discouragement if they don't!

So a married couple who've worked their whole lives, paid off their mortgage, raised a few children who now contribute to society, should choose or be forced to down scale? They don't have the right to enjoy the latter years of their lives in the home they've created? They have to move into a one or two bed apartment? I'll join any protests against that one and I've a good thirty years left in my working life.

klaaaz

Deleted User wrote: »

YOU mentioned Ms Cash. Not me. I actually had another “Single” mother in mind. One who was living in fear old bedroom in her mothers council house, when she proceeds to have 2 more children with nowhere for them.

There aren’t many who cannot afford to care for themselves and their families. Dublin isn’t the only place in Ireland with homes to rent or buy. Those screaming loudest about the “homeless” crisis are playing you like a violin. They’re looking to the upcoming local and general elections and care little for their electorate.

Why have a dig at single mothers? They have a struggle raising kids from runaway fathers. They are not a cause of the housing crisis.

There ARE many who cannot afford to care for themselves and their families, that's where the need is!

Mary, the people in power FFG are playing you like a violin. There is a chronic unaffordable housing crisis which affects a few million in this country, not just in Dublin but in every major city and town down to the local village.

Allinall wrote: »

Yes. But the so called housing crisis doesn’t affect them all.

I have a mortgage, as do thousands of others who are not affected.

So your “millions” is bull****e.

Oh, you're affected alright. When you fall on hard times, you'll be evicted being homeless and looking for sympathy. (welcome to neo-capitalism where many don't care!)

Berserker

klaaaz wrote: »

Oh, you're affected alright. When you fall on hard times, you'll be evicted being homeless and looking for sympathy. (welcome to neo-capitalism where many don't care!)

Yeah because evictions are so common in Ireland!

Wheeliebin30

Ms Cash!!!

I love how she deflated the microphone rabble groups thin air balloon nonsense without even been paid or asked too!!

Boo hooo:)

Wheeliebin30

klaaaz wrote: »

Why have a dig at single mothers? They have a struggle raising kids from runaway fathers. They are not a cause of the housing crisis.

There ARE many who cannot afford to care for themselves and their families, that's where the need is!

Mary, the people in power FFG are playing you like a violin. There is a chronic unaffordable housing crisis which affects a few million in this country, not just in Dublin but in every major city and town down to the local village.




Oh, you're affected alright. When you fall on hard times, you'll be evicted being homeless and looking for sympathy. (welcome to neo-capitalism where many don't care!)

A few million??

LoL you crack me up!!!

klaaaz

lawred2 wrote: »

Half the population Ireland is affected by the housing crisis?

In what way?

I suppose you might be right in that people could be affected in the sense of being fed up listening to claptrap of this variety..

Yes(not to your claptrap), most have been forced to buy into high prices via a mortgage to get security of tenure. The rest have no choice but to pay high rent which itself has no security of tenure.
That is easily half the population, the vast majority are adults of working age. Modern day slavery to the wealthy.

Wheeliebin30

klaaaz wrote: »

Yes(not to your claptrap), most have been forced to buy into high prices via a mortgage to get security of tenure. The rest have no choice but to pay high rent which itself has no security of tenure.
That is easily half the population, the vast majority are adults of working age. Modern day slavery to the wealthy.

Have you any stats to back up any of your claims Paul?

klaaaz

Berserker wrote: »

Yeah because evictions are so common in Ireland!

The timeline doesn't matter, it will happen. Then you'll be praising the social lifeline to help you get through hard times, you'll appreciate socialism then.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

A few million??

LoL you crack me up!!!

Oh thanks for bringing a smile to your face. Many tonight looking for their next meal cannot smile.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

Why have a dig at single mothers? They have a struggle raising kids from runaway fathers. They are not a cause of the housing crisis.

There ARE many who cannot afford to care for themselves and their families, that's where the need is!

Mary, the people in power FFG are playing you like a violin. There is a chronic unaffordable housing crisis which affects a few million in this country, not just in Dublin but in every major city and town down to the local village.




Oh, you're affected alright. When you fall on hard times, you'll be evicted being homeless and looking for sympathy. (welcome to neo-capitalism where many don't care!)

Runaway fathers??? In the case I’ve in mind, he’s living with his mum while his partner and children live with hers??

No. I won’t be affected. You see, I bought in an area I could afford. Not a hope of me being evicted, as I now own my own house. Sorry.

I’ve lived through hard times. I got through them by budgeting carefully. Living within my means. Not having any more children. Not spending money that I didn’t have.

Allinall

klaaaz wrote: »

Why have a dig at single mothers? They have a struggle raising kids from runaway fathers. They are not a cause of the housing crisis.

There ARE many who cannot afford to care for themselves and their families, that's where the need is!

Mary, the people in power FFG are playing you like a violin. There is a chronic unaffordable housing crisis which affects a few million in this country, not just in Dublin but in every major city and town down to the local village.





Oh, you're affected alright. When you fall on hard times, you'll be evicted being homeless and looking for sympathy. (welcome to neo-capitalism where many don't care!)

There you go with your “few million “ bull****e again.

And as for your last paragraph... any backup to that spurious claim?

To be honest, your credibility here is non existent.

klaaaz

Deleted User wrote: »

Runaway fathers??? In the case I’ve in mind, he’s living with his mum while his partner and children live with hers??

No. I won’t be affected. You see, I bought in an area I could afford. Not a hope of me being evicted, as I now own my own house. Sorry.

I’ve lived through hard times. I got through them by budgeting carefully. Living within my means. Not having any more children. Not spending money that I didn’t have.

Why are you anti-children?? So you won't be affected, an i'm alright jack attitude from a person who thinks paying a minimum 1,500 a month rent in Dublin is fine!

NIMAN

I would love the government to finally get a grip on the housing crisis, and solve it for those real cases who qualify.

Also try to make it easier for young workers to get on the property ladder.

But if there was any chance I would end up walking beside anyone from PBP, AAA, Margaret Cash, Boyd Barrett, SF, etc then count me out.

Feisar

Yes I would attend, I'm sick of paying a mortgage.

I want my FFH.

klaaaz

Allinall wrote: »

There you go with your “few million “ bull****e again.

And as for your last paragraph... any backup to that spurious claim?

To be honest, your credibility here is non existent.

My credibility is huge here, lot's of people have taken notice with the facts I have posted.
The last paragraph regarding homelessness which may occur when a poster loses a job/has ill-health and loses their home? That can happen when one does not keep up repayments and when one cannot meet their rent. There is no mercy when being evicted, so show some empathy to those who are poor.

Sir Oxman

Deleted User wrote: »

Pressure to do what?

Do what our strapped govts did in the 40s and 50s and 60s- provide affordable housing to the workers.
NO, not forever homes and free houses - people pay for them but THEY ARE AFFORDABLE

What a radical idea

Feisar

Deleted User wrote: »

Runaway fathers??? In the case I’ve in mind, he’s living with his mum while his partner and children live with hers??

No. I won’t be affected. You see, I bought in an area I could afford. Not a hope of me being evicted, as I now own my own house. Sorry.

I’ve lived through hard times. I got through them by budgeting carefully. Living within my means. Not having any more children. Not spending money that I didn’t have.

Do you know what you done, shame on you, you done without. Todays people can't seem to do that.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

My credibility is huge here, lot's of people have taken notice with the facts I have posted.
The last paragraph regarding homelessness which may occur when a poster loses a job/has ill-health and loses their home? That can happen when one does not keep up repayments and when one cannot meet their rent. There is no mercy when being evicted, so show some empathy to those who are poor.

Facts??? Brilliant. Good night. Working early. It’s a bitch, but needs must.

Squatter

klaaaz wrote: »

Yes, a few million people pay rent/mortgage in this country.

If your definition of "a few" includes "less than one" then I'm prepared to concede that I may have been unjust in regarding you as a complete idiot.

klaaaz

Deleted User wrote: »

Facts??? Brilliant. Good night. Working early. It’s a bitch, but needs must.

Oh my, yes facts seem to escape you in your pro-rich position on property. And yet you moan why you have to commute to work to afford a roof over your head, pass the violins!

klaaaz

Squatter wrote: »

If your definition of "a few" includes "less than one" then I'm prepared to concede that I may have been unjust in regarding you as a complete idiot.

Do you normally throw abuse at posters who speak sense? It's great that you have a privileged position in society while yet there are starving people on the streets tonight who are neglected by those in ivory towers

_Brian

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Do what our strapped govts did in the 40s and 50s and 60s- provide affordable housing to the workers.
NO, not forever homes and free houses - people pay for them but THEY ARE AFFORDABLE

What a radical idea

Thing is houses aren’t affordable.

It takes a shed load of money to build a house. That’s just a fact of life. If you want a house you need a job that pays well enough to afford it.

If you can’t afford a house where you would like it then move and commute just like the rest of us had to do.

Loads of us had to rent, have homes far away from family, scrimp and save, do without, cut corners, not have the things we would have liked so we could have the homes we wanted.

Society not thinks the government and tax oust shoukd stump up so they get a house they love next to mammy for what they want to pay for it rather than its value.

Allinall

klaaaz wrote: »

My credibility is huge here, lot's of people have taken notice with the facts I have posted.
The last paragraph regarding homelessness which may occur when a poster loses a job/has ill-health and loses their home? That can happen when one does not keep up repayments and when one cannot meet their rent. There is no mercy when being evicted, so show some empathy to those who are poor.

Facts like “minimum” of €1,500 rent?

Facts like “a few million” affected by the so called housing crisis?

Yes. Zero credibility.

klaaaz

Allinall wrote: »

Facts like “minimum” of €1,500 rent?

Facts like “a few million” affected by the so called housing crisis?

Yes. Zero credibility.

Yes, facts. You keep ignoring them.

As asked to Mary who had agreed to the following...

Is 1,500 a month minimum rent a fair rent to charge?

Wheeliebin30

klaaaz wrote: »

Yes, facts. You keep ignoring them.

As asked to Mary who had agreed to the following...

Is 1,500 a month minimum rent a fair rent to charge?

You haven’t provided an ounce of evidence for any of your claims.

You’re a spoofer.

klaaaz

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

You haven’t provided an ounce of evidence for any of your claims.

You’re a spoofer.

Have you not read the thread? Proof was given from Daft. Or maybe you're the spokesperson for your buddy Allinall?

Allinall

klaaaz wrote: »

Have you not read the thread? Proof was given from Daft. Or maybe you're the spokesperson for your buddy Allinall?

Proof that €1,500 isn’t the minimum rent for an apartment? You’ve shown that alright.

hatrickpatrick

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

So banks are exploiting us too with mortgages and interest?

I think so, yes. A function such as this should be provided on a non-profit basis as a public service, not a for-profit enterprise.

Right so let’s say we agree.

What’s next?

No mortgages.

Public, non-profit mortgages. Not a cent is charged more than is necessary to break even and cover costs.

Grand, so who pays for the houses if the banks and landlords don’t?

The government?

Grand where does the money come from for the government to pay for everyone’s house?????

I’ll await your answer but don’t expect much...

How do we pay for public water supplies, public healthcare, public education, etc? Housing should be considered a public need and therefore provided publicly just like all of these other public needs are.

klaaaz

Allinall wrote: »

Proof that €1,500 isn’t the minimum rent for an apartment? You’ve shown that alright.

It is what's required for a Dublin apartment at the minimum. You have internet access in your ivory tower, why not check? Or are you busy checking the latest rental returns for your REIT.

hatrickpatrick

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

You know why?

People defaulting in their payments because Paul Murphy told them too.

We all pick up the tab from scam artists and by god this country is full of them.

Also, because out free-for-all system says that they can charge what they like, rather than what they should.

Functions which are vital to society should be provided not for profit, but as a public service which costs no more than it needs to.

Again, someone charging thousands per month in rent doesn't have to do that, they're choosing to because they can. I'm arguing that this is morally wrong, and therefore should be changed by changing the law of the land to prohibit gouging in this manner.

Allinall

klaaaz wrote: »

It is what's required for a Dublin apartment at the minimum. You have internet access in your ivory tower, why not check? Or are you busy checking the latest rental returns for your REIT.

I’ve already shown 89 apartments for under €1,500 tonight.

klaaaz

Allinall wrote: »

I’ve already shown 89 apartments for under €1,500 tonight.

Do you own them all ?

Mad_maxx

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Also, because out free-for-all system says that they can charge what they like, rather than what they should.

Functions which are vital to society should be provided not for profit, but as a public service which costs no more than it needs to.

Again, someone charging thousands per month in rent doesn't have to do that, they're choosing to because they can. I'm arguing that this is morally wrong, and therefore should be changed by changing the law of the land to prohibit gouging in this manner.

Do you believe it's morally wrong to keep having kids with no financial means to support them?

klaaaz

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Do you believe it's morally wrong to keep having kids with no financial means to support them?

Deflection again, are you a FFG politician?

Is it morally wrong to charge people high rents and high prices for housing which is majorly owned by the wealthy elite?

Touchee

Allinall wrote: »

I’ve already shown 89 apartments for under €1,500 tonight.

89?

Wow, that is plenty, can't believe I'm paying €1700 in rent, when there are 89 apartments under €1500.

Thanks for that, hope you never end up in a situation where you might need to view one of those 89 apartments, with tens of other people being interviewed for the same property. But if you do end up in a situation like that and find it difficult to rent a place, please remember there's probably another 89 apartments between Kildare/Meath/Wicklow.

Danjamin1

Christ I ****ing hate socialists.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

Oh my, yes facts seem to escape you in your pro-rich position on property. And yet you moan why you have to commute to work to afford a roof over your head, pass the violins!

Commuting is a fact of life. No need for you to worry about the roof over my head. It’s already paid for by my hard graft.

klaaaz

klaaaz wrote: »

Deflection again, are you a FFG politician?

Is it morally wrong to charge people high rents and high prices for housing which is majorly owned by the wealthy elite?

Socialist claptrap. I’ve no doubt that you believe in this, but it doesn’t work in reality. By all means protest in whatever you believe. But don’t expect everyone else in the country to share in those beliefs.

weldoninhio

klaaaz wrote: »

It is what's required for a Dublin apartment at the minimum. You have internet access in your ivory tower, why not check? Or are you busy checking the latest rental returns for your REIT.

https://www.daft.ie/dublin-city/residential-property-for-rent/?s%5Bmxp%5D=1000&s%5Bignored_agents%5D%5B0%5D=428&s%5Bignored_agents%5D%5B1%5D=1551&searchSource=rental&offset=20

38 places to live with the max rent set as €1000.