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Would you like to attend a housing protest?

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  • #92
    Ray Palmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,910 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    Berserker wrote: »
    Ray Palmer wrote: »
    That is not a lack of housing but bad use of property.

    So, you don't want single people living in three or four bed semi-detached houses?
    Nobody should want to see a waste of any resource that has a finite instant supply during a shortage. There are huge portions of Dublin way under capacity. It doesn't make any sense. I am not suggesting taking them but we can incetivise people to move,downsize or split houses.


  • #93
    Squatter
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    Berserker wrote: »
    So, you don't want single people living in three or four bed semi-detached houses?

    The State should introduce realistic incentives for them to downsize, possibly linked with some form of fiscal discouragement if they don't!

    Off the top of my head, a re-jigging of LPT with increases/reductions based on over or under capacity.

    I reckon that a well-structured carrot and stick approach would pay dividends.

    (A pig has just flown past my window!)


  • #94
    Amirani
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    Squatter wrote: »
    The State should introduce realistic incentives for them to downsize, possibly linked with some form of fiscal discouragement if they don't!

    Off the top of my head, a re-jigging of LPT with increases/reductions based on over or under capacity.

    I reckon that a well-structured carrot and stick approach would pay dividends.

    (A pig has just flown past my window!)

    There are more than 10,000 free bedrooms in social housing accommodation. Including some cases of single people living in a 4 bed social housing.

    If councils were efficient with their current social housing stock, then we could house all those currently classified as homeless in emergency accommodation. But the councils won't touch it.

    And that's before we even attempt to incentivise private home owners...


  • #95
    lawred2
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    Amirani wrote: »
    There are more than 10,000 free bedrooms in social housing accommodation. Including some cases of single people living in a 4 bed social housing.

    If councils were efficient with their current social housing stock, then we could house all those currently classified as homeless in emergency accommodation. But the councils won't touch it.

    And that's before we even attempt to incentivise private home owners...

    That's simply outrageous..

    Has anyone told 'Raise the Roof' about this?

    Love to hear their take.


  • #96
    RWCNT
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    gwalk wrote: »
    Round them all up and direct them to a Job centre or recruitment agency

    Glad to see the same handful of posters still get a laugh out of the old classic "pRoTeStOrS dOnT hAvE jobs" gag.


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  • #97
    Squatter
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    Amirani wrote: »

    There are more than 10,000 free bedrooms in social housing accommodation. Including some cases of single people living in a 4 bed social housing.

    If councils were efficient with their current social housing stock, then we could house all those currently classified as homeless in emergency accommodation. But the councils won't touch it.

    I head that being discussed on Sean O'Rourke's show a few weeks ago. Some Dublin Sinn Fein Councillor - it may have been Daithi Dolan - denied strongly that this was a problem.


  • #98
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I want you to tell me.

    The article just turns it into a feminist issue by bemoaning the fact women have better support networks, and then calls for more social housing provided by the government, which would just increase demand in the market driving prices up, for housing you'll never be eligible for.

    Increased housing stock, public or private, does the opposite of driving up prices. It reduces demand in the rental and buying market and drives prices down by default.

    The.cost of building a house. Has only risen 4.4% since the crash, but the cost of rental has risen by 44% and the cost of buying has risen by almost 70%.

    There's a manufactured supply shortage to keep prices high, the market is creating a bubble for short term gains, the only solution is a government correction.

    It's also infinitely cheaper for the government to just build houses than to continue giving private landlords retardedly high premiums for social and emergency housing.

    Add in things like cost rental schemes which can be funded by the European investment bank for almost 0% interest and pay for themselves for lower and middle income earners and the private market prices are dirven even further down to realistic levels.


  • #99
    Wheeliebin30
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    I take it people in social houses don’t pay property tax?

    Can someone confirm this for me?


  • #100
    Subcomandante Marcos
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    I take it people in social houses don’t pay property tax?

    Can someone confirm this for me?

    They're not property owners. No Tennant pays property tax.
    What a stupid question.


  • #101
    [Deleted User]
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    ygolometsipe wrote: »
    The job their paid to do for start.

    Try reading the link.

    It’s behind a paywall.


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  • #102
    mvl
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    emo72 wrote: »
    We need more houses anyway. Whatever concentrates the governments mind doesn't really matter. The houses are needed. Whether it's informed debate or megaphone protests that get them to that realisation, does it really matter? Anyway I'm sure you're like me, a job to do! Enjoy the day mate!

    tiny houses ? - might be a retirement option for ppl ...

    or any mention of converting any social houses to flats to accommodate more ppl/2 families instead of 1 ?


  • #103
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    They're not property owners. No Tennant pays property tax.
    What a stupid question.

    Thanks that’s what I thought.

    The only stupid question is the one you don’t ask by the way.


  • #104
    klaaaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭klaaaz


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Thanks that’s what I thought.

    The only stupid question is the one you don’t ask by the way.

    Your question exposes your underlying motivation to blame all the housing ills on poor people yet it's the wealthy who are responsible for the high rents and house prices. No criticism of the wealthy from you, not a chance.


  • #105
    Wheeliebin30
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    klaaaz wrote: »
    Your question exposes your underlying motivation to blame all the housing ills on poor people yet it's the wealthy who are responsible for the high rents and house prices. No criticism of the wealthy from you, not a chance.

    The poor people?

    Margaret Cash is in 50,000 a year and is in social housing.

    Do you call 50,000 poor?

    No problem with genuine people who aren’t layabout spongers.

    The rest, I do.


  • #106
    klaaaz
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    The poor people?

    Margaret Cash is in 50,000 a year and is in social housing.

    Do you call 50,000 poor?

    No problem with genuine people who aren’t layabout spongers.

    The rest, I do.

    Yes, the poor people. Ms. Cash is not responsible for the housing crisis. Where is your criticism of the wealthy who control both the property market and the rental markets driving up prices for all? You have not stated a single opinion about them yet.


  • #107
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Yes, the poor people. Ms. Cash is not responsible for the housing crisis. Where is your criticism of the wealthy who control both the property market and the rental markets driving up prices for all? You have not stated a single opinion about them yet.

    Because I don’t believe any of that nonsense.

    Where is your evidence they “control” the property market?

    What a load of bs.

    And I don’t believe there is a housing “crisis” either.

    After the last crash things needed to be tightened up and that’s what has happened.

    People have short memories. What happened can’t happen again or we are really bust forever.


  • #108
    Jimbob1977
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    The property problem is multi-faceted.

    o We have PAYE employees who simply can't find a house to purchase and are forced to pay exorbitant rents. They have the means, but nothing to buy.

    o We have homeless people who live on the street or in hostels. They will always exist.

    o We have people who would normally get social housing from the State or privately from HAP/RAS, but the public sector and private sector are not building units. Hence, they live in hotels or guesthouses.

    The only solution is to build, build, build. There are land banks around South Dublin where estates could be built... but banks are nervous of property developers going bust again. Hence the pace of construction is glacial.

    Then we have PAYE workers looking at people getting services for free... and they wonder..... why do I bother going to work?


  • #109
    klaaaz
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Because I don’t believe any of that nonsense.

    Where is your evidence they “control” the property market?

    What a load of bs.

    And I don’t believe there is a housing “crisis” either.

    After the last crash things needed to be tightened up and that’s what has happened.

    People have short memories. What happened can’t happen again or we are really bust forever.

    Wealthy investment funds have bought up and control thousands of homes, there are no rent controls enforced in the rental market. Cash buyers like these funds as well as wealthy individual buyers are still prominent in buying homes for profit in the buying market. The mortgage buyer loses out.

    So you agree that there is no housing crisis, the wealthy have no part in it and that the high rents charged and the high house prices are fair.


  • #110
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,555 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    klaaaz wrote: »
    Yes, the poor people. Ms. Cash is not responsible for the housing crisis. Where is your criticism of the wealthy who control both the property market and the rental markets driving up prices for all? You have not stated a single opinion about them yet.

    Margaret Cash isnt to blame, that developers / investors are not to blame, the SCUM in government are to blame, they make the rules! Their rules enrich their mates and themselves however, how convenient! :mad::rolleyes: For anyone looking to enlighten themselves on why / how this goes on, the below documentary is from australia, but its a carbon copy here!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL3n59wC8kk


  • #111
    klaaaz
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    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    Then we have PAYE workers looking at people getting services for free... and they wonder..... why do I bother going to work?

    What are those people getting for free? A food parcel from a food bank?


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  • #112
    RocketRaccoon
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    klaaaz wrote: »
    What are those people getting for free? A food parcel from a food bank?

    Not free but how much do these leeches pay in rent every month?


  • #113
    Squatter
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    Idbatterim wrote: »
    Margaret Cash isnt to blame, that developers / investors are not to blame, the SCUM in government are to blame, they make the rules! Their rules enrich their mates and themselves however, how convenient! :mad::rolleyes: For anyone looking to enlighten themselves on why / how this goes on, the below documentary is from australia, but its a carbon copy here!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL3n59wC8kk


    Presumably you'll be the scruffy bloke with the wild staring eyes wearing the Aussie cork hat and carrying Paul Murphy's megaphone at the next homeless rally? Remind me to give you a wide berth.


  • #114
    Jimbob1977
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    klaaaz wrote: »
    What are those people getting for free? A food parcel from a food bank?

    There's a segment of our population that will get free healthcare and free/heavily subsidised housing throughout their lives.

    And they will never contribute a cent to the Exchequer, except through VAT.

    The middle class in Ireland carry most of the country.


  • #115
    klaaaz
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    RocketRaccoon wrote: »
    Not free but how much do these leeches pay in rent every month?

    A starving person is a leech? :eek::mad:


  • #116
    rob316
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    ygolometsipe wrote: »
    The job their paid to do for start.

    Try reading the link.

    Houses cant be magic ed up overnight.

    Tradesmen are scarce, funding isn't easy to get for developers.

    It's going to take 10 years to catch up to demand , no amount of protesting is going to speed that up.


  • #117
    Idbatterim
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    Squatter wrote: »
    Presumably you'll be the scruffy bloke with the wild staring eyes wearing the Aussie cork hat and carrying Paul Murphy's megaphone at the next homeless rally? Remind me to give you a wide berth.


    no, never been unemployed a day in my life, never received a cent in welfare. I see the damage this housing crisis is doing to friends and colleagues in Dublin though and you have those scum in power acting as if they will do anything. The absolutely naivety from people not living here or dealing with the consequences of it, is laughable!


  • #118
    Allinall
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    klaaaz wrote: »
    A starving person is a leech? :eek::mad:

    Who’s starving?


  • #119
    Taylor365
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    klaaaz wrote: »
    A starving person is a leech? :eek::mad:


  • #120
    klaaaz
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    Allinall wrote: »
    Who’s starving?

    Thousands of poor people go to food banks and soup kitchens throughout the country.


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  • #121
    hatrickpatrick
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Because I don’t believe any of that nonsense.

    Where is your evidence they “control” the property market?

    What a load of bs.

    And I don’t believe there is a housing “crisis” either.

    After the last crash things needed to be tightened up and that’s what has happened.

    People have short memories. What happened can’t happen again or we are really bust forever.

    Just because someone can charge extortionate rents, doesn't mean they have to. They choose to, because they're greedy f*cks with no sense whatsoever of social responsibility.


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