Would you like to attend a housing protest?

Berserker wrote: »

I have nothing but sympathy for working people trapped in the rental sector. This protest and the people behind this movement do not given a toss about these people. They are only interested in supporting people looking for free houses.

is that right? The only people I know who are attending are attending for the very reasons I outlined.

optogirl wrote: »

Do none of you know anyone who is trapped in the unsustainable rental sector? Are all of those people lazy good for nothings who just aren't working hard enough? The old 'get a job' trope is just not applicable for the vast majority of people in this country, many of whom are facing rent hike after rent hike and cannot get a mortgage. 'Work harder'? So...more than 40 hours a week? To hell with my children eh?

One of the issues is that it goes back to a central bank decision to make it harder for ordinary people to obtain mortgages a few years ago but no one ever mentions this when it’s discussed.

Non first time buyers were screwed basically being caught for much larger deposits, therefore extending the length of time people needed to rent which of course means less rental properties available.

Cash buyers, full time landlords notice this and of course use the opportunity to purchase properties safe in the knowledge that there will be a demand because of said central bank policies thus driving house prices up meaning ordinary people need to rent longer etc and the cycle continues.

Funny how none of these housing protests actually focus on these issues, no one picketing outside central bank offices for the ordinary hard working couple trying to get a house but rather on the give me something for nothing approach and give it to me now.

Now show me a protest march for the couple who are working their asses off and just want to be able to buy a house and I’m there because the trickle down effect of helping those will in turn help everyone affected.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Landlords are selling up at record rates.

They say the government is making things too hard for them.

Your logic makes zero sense.

Often half the rental income taken as tax.
How is that an attractive model for landlords.

And now the go to answer from housing crisis agencies is “overstay after landlord has requested vacancy as he will never get you out”

I know two guys who were long term multiple landlords who sold off properties as they were being taxed so much on the income, compounded with excessive damage after tenants.

There will be no functionality in the rental market until it is an attractive proposition for landlords to hold and rent properties. Somehow it became a dirty idea for landlords to be profitable and the government were lobbied to turn the screw on them. The result has been droves of houses lost to the rental sector, where I live there are a mere fraction of houses to rent that there once was, when one comes up there is a scramble for it.
Other business people can be profitable, but not landlords. Imagine telling a filling station owner that the revenue from sales would be all taxed as income and likely loose half to tax, think about it, it’s an insane situation.

I am yet to hear anything from either the left or right in this country that will fix the crisis.

The answer is not more social housing or rent controls. The answer is a lot larger then that. there is 6 groups of people when it come to property from life long social housing residents to the money is no object group. We need to focus on 4 of these for any plan to work. most plans i see focus on 1 group. I think we need to focus on 1-4 below. Otherwise you are trying to put out a fire using a pint glass From what i can see the groups are

1. Social housing tenants
2. Renters who need a hand renting such as HAP
3. Renters who do not need HAP
4. Affordable/cheaper housing with mortgage
5. Market value housing with mortgage
6. Money no object group

I understand during life you may move between groups depending on how life is going at that time.

klaaaz wrote: »

So as you are against a housing protest, you are extremely happy for house prices to keep going up to unaffordable levels for most. And happy to keep paying high rent too, you have no right to complain about your housing situation as you are content to sit back and pay. Your hatred of poor people is misdirected, your anger should be directed at the wealthy of FFG whose policies help the landlords and vulture funds instead of helping you.

These protests are a joke, they are full of the entitled dickheads in this country. No interest in working or actually giving anything back to the country, why should any self respecting person go out and march on their behalf?

_Brian wrote: »

Often half the rental income taken as tax.
How is that an attractive model for landlords.

And now the go to answer from housing crisis agencies is “overstay after landlord has requested vacancy as he will never get you out”

I know two guys who were long term multiple landlords who sold off properties as they were being taxed so much on the income, compounded with excessive damage after tenants.

There will be no functionality in the rental market until it is an attractive proposition for landlords to hold and rent properties. Somehow it became a dirty idea for landlords to be profitable and the government were lobbied to turn the screw on them. The result has been droves of houses lost to the rental sector, where I live there are a mere fraction of houses to rent that there once was, when one comes up there is a scramble for it.
Other business people can be profitable, but not landlords. Imagine telling a filling station owner that the revenue from sales would be all taxed as income and likely loose half to tax, think about it, it’s an insane situation.

Ya. Paying tax on income has ****ed the whole thing up.
God be with the days when you could have 14 bedsits in a house on the North Circular Rd and you only declared for give.

Idbatterim wrote: »

the build cost for an apartment is more than a house per sq m! The notion that this 'problem' will be fixed, by our government, is a total and utter 'joke'!

Not only are they inept morons beyond belief, the rising house prices actually benefit them, forget about them being 'landlords' if they are a homeowner, they want rising prices, I think its safe to say, that 90%+ of the politicians, local and national and those retards in the council and ABP are homeowners...

Many comments are about the scrounger brigade, I am totally against them BUT the government have made housing ridiculously un-affordable! They have made it not worthwhile for hundreds of thousands to work!

And if it was a protest on these grounds, I'm sure a lot would get involved. But as it is, these protests are organised for scum to shout and roar about how much they are entitled to.

Squatter wrote: »

For the record I stopped my standing order to the Peter McVerry Trust when he publicly endorsed these stunts led by professional troublemakers like Brendan Ogle.

Yes I must make haste to record that one for the annals

lawred2 wrote: »

that doesn't mean that these landlords who see themselves as service providers have ever added to the housing stock..

developers add to the housing stock

No matter what landlords are service providers. Making a property available to rent requires adding things to any property. A property added to the rental market increases the number available to rent. More use of the existing housing stock as people renting use all the property.
Old lady dies and a landlord buys the house and rents it more people now live in the house. That eliviates the housing crisis.
We don't need to build more we need to use the housing stock better.
Where my mother grew up within 10 houses the occupancy rate has dropped to the extent 30 less people are living in them. That is not a lack of housing but bad use of property.