Julian Assange arrested after Ecuador withdraw asylum

Hotblack Desiato

evolving_doors wrote: »

aaaaannnnnd there ya go...


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https://www.enca.com/business/imf-approves-42bn-loan-ecuador?fbclid=IwAR2_3jynzZpbOh1BEIf4klmwkUV_Gy1sc_Cq7l2PqPKJ2YkAaA67fkzqtAE

That was a month ago ffs

Hotblack Desiato

Zorya wrote: »

Why don't you read more deeply around the supposed rape cases in Sweden? Neither woman, both fan girls who wanted contact with him after the supposed rapes, wanted him charged with rape. They wanted him to take a HIV test, that is why they went to the cop shop. There are documents saying they felt rail roaded thereafter by the cops and a prosecutor with a clear political agenda. Ardin is more gung ho now, which seems clearly attention seeking. She kept Assange in her flat for 6 days after they had sex and organised a party for him. Read up about the story before making half cocked declarations about it. If Assange had not leaked his first famous video about civilian targeting in Iraq no mention would ever have been made about him"raping" people.

Who needs judges and juries when we have you!

Hotblack Desiato

Zorya wrote: »

I find John Pilger to be a useful reporter. Must be the old commie in me, of which I am still reasonably proud.

Proud of the biggest system of mass murder in human history?

Ooookay.

The Enbalmer

The problem with being a commie is that you wouldn't survive communism.

Only the mentally subnormal would consider it a worthwhile system.

Zorya

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Proud of an ideology that killed 150 million people?

:rolleyes: Yeah, that's right, I am Stalin's best buddy.

Though the left wing past and present has undoubtedly been infiltrated by rotten types - and is a magnet these days to those with aggravated neuroses - still the socialists of old had at least some respectability. They agitated hardest against imperialist wars, they put the ''Social'' into the social democracy you now benefit from. Socilaised health care, equitable access to free basic education, even free University fees in many places, a social welfare net that you can depend on if you fall on hard circumstances, at least some circumscription of corporate libertarianism that would destroy the world for the sake of another buck - all of these came from the socialist movement which is what I meant by 'old commie', but tehn again you know that is what I meant.

Me and Mao, sitting in a tree.... :pac:

Zorya

I am also kind of tickled when I see the line up of boardsies that circle the wagons to attack me and pat each others backs.

Dohnjoe

Zorya wrote: »

:rolleyes: Yeah, that's right, I am Stalin's best buddy.

Though the left wing past and present has undoubtedly been infiltrated by rotten types - and is a magnet these days to those with aggravated neuroses - still the socialists of old had at least some respectability. They agitated hardest against imperialist wars, they put the ''Social'' into the social democracy you now benefit from. Socilaised health care, equitable access to free basic education, even free University fees in many places, a social welfare net that you can depend on if you fall on hard circumstances, at least some circumscription of corporate libertarianism that would destroy the world for the sake of another buck - all of these came from the socialist movement which is what I meant by 'old commie', but tehn again you know that is what I meant.

Me and Mao, sitting in a tree.... :pac:

I'm right about George Galloway aren't I

Zorya

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I'm right about George Galloway aren't I

Thus far, I fear, I find you right about very little. My apologies

Ak84

Watching Sky News this morning and the reporter kept saying how the Swedish Authorities wanted assange for the Rape allegations.
But I thought them allegations were dropped?
Apparently around 100 MP's wrote a letter to Sajid Javid asking for him to be sent to Sweden. Anyone know what that's about?

The Enbalmer

Zorya wrote: »

:rolleyes: Yeah, that's right, I am Stalin's best buddy.

Though the left wing past and present has undoubtedly been infiltrated by rotten types - and is a magnet these days to those with aggravated neuroses - still the socialists of old had at least some respectability. They agitated hardest against imperialist wars, they put the ''Social'' into the social democracy you now benefit from. Socilaised health care, equitable access to free basic education, even free University fees in many places, a social welfare net that you can depend on if you fall on hard circumstances, at least some circumscription of corporate libertarianism that would destroy the world for the sake of another buck - all of these came from the socialist movement which is what I meant by 'old commie', but tehn again you know that is what I meant.

Me and Mao, sitting in a tree.... :pac:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

Zorya

The Enbalmer wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

This is getting silly now, lad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

eagle eye

Ak84 wrote:

Watching Sky News this morning and the reporter kept saying how the Swedish Authorities wanted assange for the Rape allegations. But I thought them allegations were dropped? Apparently around 100 MP's wrote a letter to Sajid Javid asking for him to be sent to Sweden. Anyone know what that's about?

The charges were dropped because it wasn't possible to go forward with it due to Assange being holed up in the embassy.
There is every chance that they move forward with them now.
I don't believe these charges are genuine but he'll stand trial for them if he is not sent to the US.

The Enbalmer

Ak84 wrote: »

Watching Sky News this morning and the reporter kept saying how the Swedish Authorities wanted assange for the Rape allegations.
But I thought them allegations were dropped?

After 7 years on the run Sweden gave up trying to deport him. They had no intention of dropping the charges but they couldn't proceed with them.

Now the cowardly bastard is out he can be removed to Sweden to face trial..that is,after his UK prison sentence for breaching his bail and before he's extradited to the US for (hopefully)life imprisonment in a federal lockup.

Zorya

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Now the cowardly bastard is out he can be removed to Sweden to face trial..that is,after his UK prison sentence for breaching his bail and before he's extradited to the US for (hopefully)life imprisonment in a federal lockup.

And you fret about totalitarianism...

eagle eye

The Enbalmer wrote:

Now the cowardly bastard is out he can be removed to Sweden to face trial..that is,after his UK prison sentence for breaching his bail and before he's extradited to the US for (hopefully)life imprisonment in a federal lockup.

Clueless man posting rubbish.

Kidchameleon

I felt so sorry for him being carried out like that. A real hero. The image of him leaving the embassy will become iconic. This man must be freed to continue his work and finally have time with his family. We all enjoy our freedom because of sacrifices from people like Assange.

The Enbalmer

eagle eye wrote: »

Clueless man posting rubbish.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47910820

The Enbalmer

[QUOTE=Kidchameleon;109921175The image of him leaving the embassy will become iconic.[/QUOTE]

Iconic?

I thought it was funny..the state of him.

Kidchameleon

The Enbalmer wrote: »

Iconic?

I thought it was funny..the state of him.

Plenty of funny images become iconic so no problems there. I feel it will achieve that status for a different reason though.

Dohnjoe

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I felt so sorry for him being carried out like that. A real hero. The image of him leaving the embassy will become iconic. This man must be freed to continue his work and finally have time with his family. We all enjoy our freedom because of sacrifices from people like Assange.

Somehow I doubt the embassy cleaners feel the same way

Dohnjoe

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Plenty of funny images become iconic so no problems there. I feel it will achieve that status for a different reason though.

Well it's a meme now and a pretty funny one at that

Here's Wikileaks publishing medical files of rape victims
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/wikileaks-medical-files-rape-victims-saudi-arabia-homosexuality-arrest-a7206901.html

Outing homosexuals, people with mental health issues, people who've been sexually abused. Putting aid workers, activists and civilians at risk. Wikileaks: happily dumping info against a select group of nations and organisations that Assange doesn't like or has personal beef against. Impartial, ethical and responsible "journalism" at it's best

Kidchameleon

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Somehow I doubt the embassy cleaners feel the same way

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole feces / messy narrative is bs on the part of the Ecuadorians to save face for throwing him to the wolves. Pretty shameful act on their part.

*edit* also, its their (cleaners) job so screw them

evolving_doors

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Somehow I doubt the embassy cleaners feel the same way

Don't worry.... the imf will pick up the tab.


Imf's biggest contributor is US


https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2019/03/11/ecuador-pr1972-imf-executive-board-approves-eff-for-ecuador


Also don't forget Dominic Strauss Khan and wiki leaks connection

https://www.flickr.com/photos/wikileakstruck/5918595512/

Kidchameleon

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Putting aid workers, activists and civilians at risk.

Don't enter a war zone so.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

against a select group of nations and organisations

Wikileaks have released information on a multitude of nations. We only hear about the Americans in the mass media but if you actually take the time to read their releases you will soon realize that they are quite fair and impartial.

FatherTed

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

What’s with the strikes outs? I think we all know that Wikileaks was anti Clinton, warmonger that she was, not seeing Russian involvement here.

Right, no Russian involvement. Besides the 12 Russian agents listed.

Cheerful Spring

Manic Moran wrote: »

I probably would be a bit irked if it directly affected me, yes. But that does not deny the annoying little items of due process which I note you have ignored. It may mean that some guilty go free, but you see few people clamoring to eliminate protections which benefit society as a whole. For example, if police think someone has done some criminal activity, they still need to tell a judge exactly what they are looking for before the warrant is signed to search a place. A judge will not sign a warrant on the basis of “we’ll know what he did wrong after we find it”.



Here was me thinking he was on the run because he leaked over a million files, only some of which were related to the program with which he took exception. Politifact has an overview of the NSA / Congress thing. That was a general balls-up and neither the Congressman nor Clapper acted correctly. There were ways of telling Congress what was going on without putting the NSA rep between a rock and a hard place. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2014/mar/11/james-clappers-testimony-one-year-later/



Supposedly they released such information. I note a decided lack of any convictions coming as a result. I do recall a large brouhaha when people were reminded that sometimes mistakes are made in a war and the wrong people die. I also recall a very large dump of information which had nothing to do whatsoever with any alleged war crimes and, like Snowden’s release, consisted of a significant release of information with no justifiable claim for the public interest.



The US’s house. And, apparently, the laws relating to accessing classified information. If their motivation purely was in merely the service of the truth, then they went about it an extremely incompetent and careless manner.

Whistleblowing is simple. “I know this illegal act is happening. Standard recourse has not worked. I will blow the whistle on this illegal act by releasing evidence of that illegal act which I have, and only that illegal act, to someone who will publish it”. WikiLeaks has not followed this model.

This is nonsense, you have a short memory. Wikileaks released info that contained new figures of unreported deaths. The US military killed 70 thousand civilians in Iraq and they never reported these figures to the wider public and media. Iraqi Women and children killed at checkpoints by US soldiers were also only referred to in those classified leaks. What about Abu Ghraib prison. Do you condone that barbarism? The war was over when the Iraqi military gave up. It was the US military job to police afterwards.

British soldiers shot dead 13 civilians during a civil rights march during the troubles in the North. And Families sought justice for the crime. Do you think it ok to kill unarmed children and women during an occupation?

It not a careless leak. The US government has no interest in revealing the truth to the American people and the wider world. They prefer to lie and pretend they are the world police force. By the way, Iraq never attacked America on 9/11, so there was no reason to be there in first place. WMD lie by Bush and Blair, and not one politician has faced charges for lying to the world, instead, they go after Assange for leaking information about war crimes committed during an illegal war by the way ( as UN voted against it)

So you think it ok for CIA and NSA to hack computers belonging to foreign governments including computers belonging to the Irish government? You don't mind CIA software programs that hack the phones and computers of ordinary citizens around the world? They chased Snowden for leaking truthful information. Wikileaks published these files because US intelligence was lying about the extent and scope of the spying.

I don't see it an illegal act, you do. The public has the right to know what is being done to countries and its people. This is not like hacking the neighbour computer and taking info. In my mind is a robbery of personal info.

Capt'n Midnight

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Somehow I doubt the embassy cleaners feel the same way

More importantly how's the cat ?

PVNevin

It has hardened in peoples minds just how cynical and rotten to the core are the apologists for the rich and powerful.

There is an unbridgeable gulf between those who defend Assange, Manning and Snowden; and those who defend the ruling class.

The political issues are crystallising.

The Enbalmer

PVNevin wrote:

There is an unbridgeable gulf between those who defend Assange, Manning and Snowden; and those who defend the ruling class.

Nobody cares about these eejits and that attention seeking twat,Assange.

Only the left could champion a suspected rapist who gets his jollies hacking people's emails and sharing them.

He even had the temerity to hack the Equadorian president whilst claiming asylum in their embassy.

I mean if people can't see what a complete arsehole he is they really need a bit of cop on,lefty or not.

The Enbalmer

Kidchameleon wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole feces / messy narrative is bs on the part of the Ecuadorians to save face for throwing him to the wolves. Pretty shameful act on their part.

They threw him out because of that and other transgressions of their hospitality.

Would you allow a guest to stay in your dwelling years if they smeared faeces up your walls?

You speak of shameful yet the man you're bizaarely defending is wanted for rape,has no moral compass and likes to daub walls with his own excreta?

Truly the left has some strange ideas