Peter Mcverrys support for syringe criminal.

Mad_maxx

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Because it’s the human thing to do.

Because it’s better for society as a whole.

Because you never know when someone you care about might need these services.

Liberals think they always know what is "better for society"

Wheeliebin30

Odhinn wrote: »

Because they wouldn't re-offend, for starters.

But they do.

Hal3000

Thread once again turned to understanding the why and generally people against harsh punishments. Mcverry is great what he does, but let's no lose sight that a syringe was used in this attack. Bad upbringing or not 3 years is a pathetic sentence for that.

Mad_maxx

Odhinn wrote: »

We don't follow a "liberal" regime of crime and punishment here. Essentially nobody (politically) is willing to push it through.

Do explain

Odhinn

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

But they do.

...because of a failure to rehabilitate them.

Wheeliebin30

Hal3000 wrote: »

Thread once again turned to understanding the why and generally people against harsh punishments. Mcverry is great what he does, but let's no lose sight that a syringe was used in this attack. Bad upbringing or not 3 years is a pathetic sentence for that.

Exactly.

Wheeliebin30

Odhinn wrote: »

...because of a failure to rehabilitate them.

A failure by who?????

Odhinn

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Do explain

I went into it in detail here
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110129561&postcount=41

Odhinn

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Liberals think they always know what is "better for society"

And you don't?

KikiLaRue

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Liberals think they always know what is "better for society"

Well, I feel pretty confident that we’re on the right side of this one. I mean, besides the fact that that’s the way the evidence points, most posters who agree with you can’t come up with a better solution than the death penalty.

irishproduce

El_Bee wrote: »

17 previous convictions, that means Judges have failed in their duty of care to protect society from this guy. Imagine if you went into hospital for an operation only to find the doctor assigned to you had messed up the procedure 17 previous times, it couldn't possibly happen right? The very idea is insane, yet letting criminals walk the street with double digit (sometimes triple) convictions is fine for some reason.

Its because we don't have prison spaces because we don't invest in prisons.
Society should demand crime is taken seriously and prison spaces are grown.

Hal3000

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Well, I feel pretty confident that we’re on the right side of this one. I mean, besides the fact that that’s the way the evidence points, most posters who agree with you can’t come up with a better solution than the death penalty.

A better solution? Sorry he lost that luxury after his 17th conviction... But god love him, he's a decent skin and deserves an 18th chance .

KikiLaRue

Hal3000 wrote: »

A better solution? Sorry he lost that luxury after his 17th conviction... But god love him, he's a decent skin and deserves an 18th chance .

If you heard a thief in Saudi was executed or had his hand chopped off you’d call it medieval and barbaric, yet here we are. Death penalty for petty crime.

And they call liberals fascists

Odhinn

Odhinn wrote: »

Because they wouldn't re-offend, for starters.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

But they do.

I don't want to make any assumptions about you, and the kind of people you know, but I'd love you to speak to my sister.

Although we're not rich, she had plenty of advantages growing up, and wanted for nothing,, had a good education etc; and yet her moment of awakening was stealing a nasty white wine in the local supermarket. My elder brother had to go down and pay for it. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Addiction affects people from all walks of life, and if I had a scientific hat, I'd put it on and say my sister is statistically likely to drink again.

But everybody knows that if she didn't have family and supports, she'd be one of the Skangers you're so cynical about.

As I type this, I'm conscious of the fact there are plenty of people in our town who hold the same opinions, yet she's probably doing an important job in their lives (which I don't even want to specify, and she probably often hears these rants)

I can understand how the children of addicts must have grave resentments towards addiction, and I wouldn't even try to argue their experiences. But for the rest of us, who are the siblings or cousins or onlookers, I don't understand how you can look upon these people and deny their humanity, and your great luck in not being among them?

Hal3000

KikiLaRue wrote: »

If you heard a thief in Saudi was executed or had his hand chopped off you’d call it medieval and barbaric, yet here we are. Death penalty for petty crime.

And they call liberals fascists

Death penalty ? Please do point out where I mentioned it previously please ?

Wheeliebin30

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't want to make any assumptions about you, and the kind of people you know, but I'd love you to speak to my sister.

Although we're not rich, she had plenty of advantages growing up, and wanted for nothing,, had a good education etc; and yet her moment of awakening was stealing a nasty white wine in the local supermarket. My elder brother had to go down and pay for it. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Addiction affects people from all walks of life, and if I had a scientific hat, I'd put it on and say my sister is statistically likely to drink again. But everybody knows that if she didn't have family and supports, she'd be one of the Skangers you're so cynical about.

As I type this, I'm conscious of the fact there are plenty of people who hold the same opinions, and she's probably doing an important job in their lives (which I don't even want to specify, and she probably hears these rants.

I can understand how the children of addicts must have grave renlsentments towards addiction, and I wouldn't even try to argue their experiences. But for the rest of us, who are the siblings or cousins or onlookers, I don't understand how you can look upon these people and deny their humanity, and your great luck in not being among them?

Yeah cool story.

Don’t know how it’s relevant to someone sticking a syringe full of blood to someone and people trying to make excuses.

Do we do the same for murderers and paedophiles next?

Sure it’s not their fault, its the way their mind thinks.

There has to be some law and order and rules.

Mad_maxx

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Well, I feel pretty confident that we’re on the right side of this one. I mean, besides the fact that that’s the way the evidence points, most posters who agree with you can’t come up with a better solution than the death penalty.

I'm not in favour of the death penalty

As for "the evidence"

You mean findings which ideogical liberals were predisposed to?

SouthDublin6w

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Yeah cool story.

Don’t know how it’s relevant to someone sticking a syringe full of blood to someone and people trying to make excuses.

Do we do the same for murderers and paedophiles next?

Sure it’s not their fault, its the way their mind thinks.

There has to be some law and order and rules.

There is law and order the guy is In a prison tonight on these charges. He's done some work on himself hopefully he never ends up back inside a cell again if he has changed.

Hal3000

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't want to make any assumptions about you, and the kind of people you know, but I'd love you to speak to my sister.

Although we're not rich, she had plenty of advantages growing up, and wanted for nothing,, had a good education etc; and yet her moment of awakening was stealing a nasty white wine in the local supermarket. My elder brother had to go down and pay for it. It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

Addiction affects people from all walks of life, and if I had a scientific hat, I'd put it on and say my sister is statistically likely to drink again.

But everybody knows that if she didn't have family and supports, she'd be one of the Skangers you're so cynical about.

As I type this, I'm conscious of the fact there are plenty of people in our town who hold the same opinions, yet she's probably doing an important job in their lives (which I don't even want to specify, and she probably often hears these rants)

I can understand how the children of addicts must have grave resentments towards addiction, and I wouldn't even try to argue their experiences. But for the rest of us, who are the siblings or cousins or onlookers, I don't understand how you can look upon these people and deny their humanity, and your great luck in not being among them?

If a sibling or cousin of mine held a syringe up to someone I'm sorry, but I couldn't support that or them, ever!. Call me what you want, but I'm being real here. Just for one second imagine someone doing that to a loved one of yours ? God forbid you ever have to go through that. And now try applying this so called humanity that you speak of to the perpetrator? You won't and why ? Because that's human nature ? We are humane when observering, but that mask slips once we're victims.

Wheeliebin30

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Yeah cool story.

Don’t know how it’s relevant to someone sticking a syringe full of blood to someone and people trying to make excuses.

Do we do the same for murderers and paedophiles next?

Sure it’s not their fault, its the way their mind thinks.

There has to be some law and order and rules.

You had gone on various rants about addiction.

I'm not defending anyone who acts violently, I'm just explaining one perspective of addiction, and others have done so far more eloquently from their own experiences.

I don't expect you to ever take these on board, I suspect that everyone wrote about their experiences for the benefit of people who might have been less... militaristic?

SouthDublin6w

Hal3000 wrote: »

If a sibling or cousin of mine held a syringe up to someone I'm sorry but I couldn't support that. Call me what you want but I'm being real here. Just for one second imagine someone doing that to a loved on of yours ? And then try applying this so called humanity that you speak of ? You won't and why ? Because that's human nature ? We are humane observers but that mask slips once we're victims.

It doesn't slip on everyone. Some people understand another's hardship.

https://amp.independent.ie/regionals/newrossstandard/news/drink-driver-avoids-jail-after-crash-victim-pleads-with-judge-for-leniency-37613217.html

If you want more examples I can provide them

KikiLaRue

Hal3000 wrote: »

Death penalty ? Please do point out where I mentioned it previously please ?

Ummm have a read of the thread you’ve jumped in on...

Hal3000

KikiLaRue wrote: »

Ummm have a read of the thread you’ve jumped in on...

I support a 3 strike system for violent crime. I don't support death penalty but keep quoting it back to me if it makes sense to you.

KikiLaRue

Hal3000 wrote: »

I support a 3 strike system for violent crime. I don't support death penalty but keep quoting it back to me if it makes sense to you.

What happens after three strikes?

Various people on the thread have suggested executing petty criminals and people with addiction issues.

Hal3000

KikiLaRue wrote: »

What happens after three strikes?

Various people on the thread have suggested executing petty criminals and people with addiction issues.

3 strike is indefinite incarceration. Similar to the US... Now wait for all the responses saying it doesn't work in the US.....

SouthDublin6w

Hal3000 wrote: »

3 strike is indefinite incarceration. Similar to the US... Now wait for all the responses saying it doesn't work in the US.....

So 3 felonies you mean? What would you consider a felony?

Hal3000

Hal3000 wrote: »

3 strike is indefinite incarceration. Similar to the US... Now wait for all the responses saying it doesn't work in the US.....

But it doesn't. I mean, factually, it doesn't

???

SouthDublin6w

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

But it doesn't. I mean, factually, it doesn't

???

Funnily enough those who enacted the habitual offenders law in 1994, have said they regret it.

Galwayguy35

pinkyeye wrote: »

And what do you think happens if you break your back tomorrow and you can't do the work that you claim to be man enough to do?

The policy I pay a sh1tload of my hard earned money into should handle that Mr Pink

Hal3000

SouthDublin6w wrote: »

So 3 felonies you mean? What would you consider a felony?

Holding a syringe up to someone for a start. Any crime that isn't petty crime should be 3 strike rule backed up by strong sentencing for first 2 offences. Have you been reading the news lately ? There are dangerous criminals being released back into our society on a daily basis... How people aren't concerned about this is beyond me.