Which Coalition Government would you prefer?

Pauliedragon

Rodin wrote: »

Go privately if you're that worried.
What's more important? Saving your sight or saving a few quid?

I'm going private and chances are it'll be a non issue but if it does end up serious I'll be on disability for the rest of my life. Wouldn't it be better if I got it fixed and stay in the workplace paying tax for the next 30 years?

JohnnyFlash

I’d like to see the wish of the people who voted for change represented. So that would be a coalition of FF, SF, Greens and Soc Dems.

SF, Greens and Soc Dems would have a significant number of seats above that of FF so could call the shots in many ways.

Rodin

Pauliedragon wrote: »

I'm going private and chances are it'll be a non issue but if it does end up serious I'll be on disability for the rest of my life. Wouldn't it be better if I got it fixed and stay in the workplace paying tax for the next 30 years?

Why would you be on disability in your 30s?

JohnnyFlash

Odhinn wrote: »

...the PIRA were a left wing entity......

Ya, that’s why they shot people based on their religion. Straight out of the Marxist handbook?

Jamie2k9

FF, Green, SD or LAB propped up by FG for a short period of time and issues will be solved before we go back to the to the country again.

Personally I didn't vote Green, SD etc and I wonder how conferrable are those first pref voters at the prospect of them going into Gov with SF. I know SF transferred to them heavily.

Pauliedragon

Rodin wrote: »

Why would you be on disability in your 30s?

The HSE wont recognise the private test so I have to wait for their conclusion which by the time they get around to it I could be legally blind and unable to do my job so I would have to go onto disability payments.

ShylockWept

I;'ve been giving this considerable thought since Sunday evening. The only viable, stable government at this point in time is an FF-FG-Green coalition. I firmly believe that this is what the powers that be are planning for.

The game at the moment is to allow SF to try to form a government of the left. Unless there is a serious attempt to organise the independents into one or two blocks, then SF will fail in its attempts to form a grand left coalition. At the moment, I can see them only getting to mid-60s: SF (37) + Green (12) + Lab (6) + SD (6) + PbP (5) = 65. They would need 16 independents - so practically, every independent. It won't happen. It is highly likely that Labour will not participate given the current composition of the party

So by next week SF will have gone through the motions, and will have to approach FF with a coalition offering, which will be impossible. It would involve FF disavowing entirely what they promised throughout the election. For FF, the lesser of two evils is a coalition with FG. But I'm not sure FG would agree to this. Although Leo said he would consider a grand coalition with FF as a last resort, after the election results I would say there is zero appetite to go to bed with FF. It would allow SF to be a bigger opposition party.

So, what happens next? While I think that n FF+FG+ Green coalition is in the best interests of the country, my guess is that SF will form a minority coalition with a confidence and supply deal with independent blocks

Odhinn

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Ya, that’s why they shot people based on their religion. Straight out of the Marxist handbook?

Simplistic nonsense, particularily when one of the founder members of the PIRA was himself a protestant.

Rodin

Pauliedragon wrote: »

The HSE wont recognise the private test so I have to wait for their conclusion which by the time they get around to it I could be legally blind and unable to do my job so I would have to go onto disability payments.

Or the private person you see will put you on treatment which might save your sight... IF you have glaucoma.
Id be more worried about your catastrophising.

BarryD2

You've gotta love the people who think the Greens would just jump into bed with the Shinners - chalk & cheese in so many ways as far as I can see.

JohnnyFlash

Odhinn wrote: »

Simplistic nonsense, particularily when one of the founder members of the PIRA was himself a protestant.

Ya, Kingsmill massacre and Eniskillen bombing were simplistic alright. Simplistic in that they involved murdering people based simply on being Protestant.

swarlb

Eric Cartman wrote: »

could you imagine the madness to get it going 'everyone has to wear gender pronoun nametags and praise stalin every morning and kerry gets a new airport and south dublin is now a muslim safety zone and portlaoise gets a skyscraper of social housing and the retirement age is now 40 and all of roscommon gets free straw for cattle and cars are banned but theres a subsidy for electric charge points"

And don't forget a full stop, comma and exclamation mark has to be used at least once in a sentence. !

Pauliedragon

Rodin wrote: »

Or the private person you see will put you on treatment which might save your sight... IF you have glaucoma.
Id be more worried about your catastrophising.

We'll just agree to disagree on this one I reckon. In my opinion our public health system is flawed and needs attention. This is an anonymous forum so I'm not "catastrophising" anything.

dwmcdos

Edgware wrote: »

And what attraction is there in that for G.P. and F.F.?

For FF? Power, as always, plus they won't leave SF on the opposition benches building support opposite a hated coalition. The Greens? Might not go for it but they can be replaced by the left wingers. FF and FG won't want another election this year but doubt they can afford to go in together again, even if they could keep working together without the external threat of Brexit.

Rodin

Pauliedragon wrote: »

We'll just agree to disagree on this one I reckon. In my opinion our public health system is flawed and needs attention. This is an anonymous forum so I'm not "catastrophising" anything.

You have yourself legally blind and incapable of work in your 30s... before you've even got a diagnosis. Id call that catastrophising

Mad_maxx

Deleted User wrote: »

Anything that avoids us moving further left. Too many people getting free ride with other peoples money.

The only certainty in the next government is that things shift further left

Pauliedragon

Rodin wrote: »

You have yourself legally blind and incapable of work in your 30s... before you've even got a diagnosis. Id call that catastrophising

I'm only using my situation as an example. I can go private and I'll be fine but there are plenty out there who can't afford it and I think it's unfair for them to wait on lists that are too long and in the longterm some will end up being a burden on the state financially when it would be cheaper to get them looked after and back to work paying tax instead of on social welfare. It's short term thinking instead of looking at the long term picture.

Better Than Christ

Deleted User wrote: »

Anything that avoids us moving further left. Too many people getting free ride with other peoples money.

Even if FF, FG and their respective gene-pool independents somehow form a 'keep SF out' government, they'll have no choice, in terms of policy, but to make it the most left-leaning one in living memory. Anything else would result in them being trounced by Sinn Féin next time.

10pennymixup

who what when wrote: »

It's amazing to me how few people feel this way. I would vote for the nazi party before I'd vote for Fianna Fail, (and I'm not a fan of nazi's)

So rather than vote Finna Fail you would sooner vote for a countries national socialist party that got in to power shortly after a worldwide recession, on a populist far fetched agenda with a charismatic leader, with strong links to (para)military thugs.

Oh wait.................you already have.

Snow Garden

I think we are looking at FF + SF + SD.

collywobble7

Pauliedragon wrote:

Whichever one can explain to me why a 20 min eye test takes over 2 years on a waiting list.

Go private....

ted1

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Whichever one can explain to me why a 20 min eye test takes over 2 years on a waiting list.

Go to an optician they’ll do it under PRSI for free

https://www.specsavers.ie/free-eye-test?gclid=CjwKCAiAvonyBRB7EiwAadauqXm0TDI806vkXdMINbo7bwiCrf4dewLPXs0qW84WmHzBHZdS1gRyihoCrlsQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

astrofool

Snow Garden wrote: »

I think we are looking at FF + SF + SD.

I think that would be OK, they should balance out the crazy with each other.

Snow Garden

Yates saying FF + FG + a group of rural Independents.

ILoveYourVibes

Grand coalition of the left.

job seeker

I’d like to see, FG, FF and the greens. I know that FG and FG fecked up so much when in government and are far from perfect. However I just can’t see myself ever supporting SF with all the bloodshed during the troubles.. such violence!

Not to mention the journalist Lyra McKee, remember how Ireland came together to mourn this needless murder..

All this seems to be forgotten, especially with the younger generation..

This was just something that crossed my mind when I seen SF on the ballet paper on polling day!

Idbatterim

Sf massive surge is a win for us all! if its FFG again, anyone else expect years more of them sitting on their h*les? no, me either!

Idbatterim

Snow Garden wrote: »

Yates saying FF + FG + a group of rural Independents.

what are the rural independents demands? a hospital in every village? ones to rival the new NCH that the Dubs have?

nkl12xtw5goz70

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Grand coalition of the left.

Sinn Féin (37) + Greens (12) + Social Democrats (6) + Labour (6) + Solidarity-People Before Profit (5) + left-leaning independents (6) = 72 seats.

The "grand coalition of the left" is still 8 seats short. So how do they make up that shortfall?

Snow Garden

Lochlan Victorious Doctor wrote: »

Sinn Féin (37) + Greens (12) + Social Democrats (6) + Labour (6) + Solidarity-People Before Profit (5) + left-leaning independents (6) = 72 seats.

The "grand coalition of the left" is still 8 seats short. So how do they make up that shortfall?

They don't, wont happen.