Which Coalition Government would you prefer?

Wombatman · 11-02-2020 07:26PM #1

Which Coalition Government would you prefer?
Can see FG and SF so left it out.

Pauliedragon · 11-02-2020 07:28PM

Whichever one can explain to me why a 20 min eye test takes over 2 years on a waiting list.

theguzman · 11-02-2020 07:30PM

Grand Coalition of the left with FG providing a confidence and supply abstention. Fianna Fail should not exist as a political party for the treason they committed never mind have any say in our political system ever again.

Ultimanemo · 11-02-2020 07:35PM

I voted Grand Coalition of the Left because I want to see them in the hot seat, It is easy to criticise when you are watching.

Floppybits · 11-02-2020 07:37PM

I think we need all 3 in government to keep an eye on each other. FG for business and budgeting, SF for the social side that FG just don't get. Still trying to workout FF role, maybe peace keeper. ðŸ˜€

Rodin · 11-02-2020 07:41PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Whichever one can explain to me why a 20 min eye test takes over 2 years on a waiting list.

Should have gone to Specsavers.

Eric Cartman · 11-02-2020 07:42PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

I voted Grand Coalition of the Left because I want to see them in the hot seat, It is easy to criticise when you are watching.

if the secret police don't gulag or kneecap you first.

Junkyard Tom · 11-02-2020 07:43PM

How about Unity government? FG team in charge of Foreign Affairs/Brexit, FF team in charge of... eh... something, SF with health, housing.

Eric Cartman · 11-02-2020 07:46PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

How about Unity government? FG team in charge of Foreign Affairs/Brexit, FF team in charge of... eh... something, SF with health, housing.

would only work if you put somebody rigid and uncaring of public opinion in finance to reign in the fanciful spending.

Quantum Erasure · 11-02-2020 07:49PM

theguzman wrote: »

Fianna Fail should not exist as a political party for the treason they committed never mind have any say in our political system ever again.

Sinn Fein: hold my beer

Odhinn · 11-02-2020 07:50PM

Wombatman wrote: »

Which Coalition Government would you prefer?
Can see FG and SF so left it out.

"grand coalition of the left" hasn't the numbers - they need most of the independents as well.

Better Than Christ · 11-02-2020 07:52PM

Ideally, a grand coalition of the left. But the numbers aren't there, so I'd settle for an SF/FF/SD coalition with Mary Lou McDonald as Taoiseach. Maybe throw the Greens in there too to keep the numbers up.

Wombatman · 11-02-2020 07:52PM

Odhinn wrote: »

"grand coalition of the left" hasn't the numbers - they need most of the independents as well.

Might work with a Confidence and Supply arrangement.

Eric Cartman · 11-02-2020 07:54PM

Odhinn wrote: »

"grand coalition of the left" hasn't the numbers - they need most of the independents as well.

could you imagine the madness to get it going 'everyone has to wear gender pronoun nametags and praise stalin every morning and kerry gets a new airport and south dublin is now a muslim safety zone and portlaoise gets a skyscraper of social housing and the retirement age is now 40 and all of roscommon gets free straw for cattle and cars are banned but theres a subsidy for electric charge points"

Odhinn · 11-02-2020 07:54PM

Wombatman wrote: »

Might work with a Confidence and Supply arrangement.

..with the independents? Be like herding cats, tbh.

Odhinn · 11-02-2020 07:55PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

could you imagine the madness to get it going 'everyone has to wear gender pronoun nametags and praise stalin every morning and kerry gets a new airport and south dublin is now a muslim safety zone and portlaoise gets a skyscraper of social housing and the retirement age is now 40 and all of roscommon gets free straw for cattle and cars are banned but theres a subsidy for electric charge points"

Jesus man...that acid will fry yer brain.

Edgware · 11-02-2020 07:57PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

Whichever one can explain to me why a 20 min eye test takes over 2 years on a waiting list.

If you are working and pay P.R.S.I. you can get it free

11-02-2020 07:59PM

Anything that avoids us moving further left. Too many people getting free ride with other peoples money.

who what when · 11-02-2020 08:00PM

theguzman wrote: »

Fianna Fail should not exist as a political party for the treason they committed never mind have any say in our political system ever again.

It's amazing to me how few people feel this way. I would vote for the nazi party before I'd vote for Fianna Fail, (and I'm not a fan of nazi's)

Odhinn · 11-02-2020 08:01PM

who what when wrote: »

It's amazing to me how few people feel this way. I would vote for the nazi party before I'd vote for Fianna Fail, (and I'm not a fan of nazi's)

...at least the Nazis had nice uniforms.

Harry Palmr · 11-02-2020 08:08PM

Rather guiltily I voted FF FG Green, the shinners can't be trusted anymore than the rest but the rest don't have a 'northern wing' to reference and keep happy while in power.

dwmcdos · 11-02-2020 08:15PM

Went for Grand Coalition of the left but in reality needing so many independents it would be like a 19 party coalition, far too unstable. Could live with SF/PBP/SD/GP/FF, gives the left the upper hand with numbers over FF and with 98 TDs comfortably passes the 80 seat marker allowing for a few dissenters without losing major votes.

dwmcdos · 11-02-2020 08:17PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

could you imagine the madness to get it going 'everyone has to wear gender pronoun nametags and praise stalin every morning and kerry gets a new airport and south dublin is now a muslim safety zone and portlaoise gets a skyscraper of social housing and the retirement age is now 40 and all of roscommon gets free straw for cattle and cars are banned but theres a subsidy for electric charge points"

I reckon we'd settle for a decent local bus service instead of a new airport tbh

Edgware · 11-02-2020 08:18PM

dwmcdos wrote: »

Went for Grand Coalition of the left but in reality needing so many independents it would be like a 19 party coalition, far too unstable. Could live with SF/PBP/SD/GP/FF, gives the left the upper hand with numbers over FF and with 98 TDs comfortably passes the 80 seat marker allowing for a few dissenters without losing major votes.

And what attraction is there in that for G.P. and F.F.?

Junkyard Tom · 11-02-2020 08:24PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

would only work if you put somebody rigid and uncaring of public opinion in finance to reign in the fanciful spending.

Like paying off Anglo's bondholders? Agreed.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 11-02-2020 08:27PM

Because left-wing politics is notoriously volatile, I wouldn't expect a Grand Coalition of the Left to last for long even under ideal circumstances, but when TDs of that prospective coalition's largest party are already shouting "Up the Ra" and "Tiocfaidh ár lá," it's probably not going to get off the ground to begin with. How can the Social Democrats, with their progressive agenda, justify joining forces with TDs openly glorifying the IRA?

Probably the most stable government at this point would be FF + FG + Greens, but I can't see that happening. So we shall have to wait and see.

Pauliedragon · 11-02-2020 08:29PM

Edgware wrote: »

If you are working and pay P.R.S.I. you can get it free

No you don't for a glaucoma test. You go on a list which is between 2-3 years.

Odhinn · 11-02-2020 08:29PM

Lochlan Victorious Doctor wrote: »

Because left-wing politics is notoriously volatile, I wouldn't expect a Grand Coalition of the Left to last for long even under ideal circumstances, but when TDs of that prospective coalition's largest party are already shouting "Up the Ra" and "Tiocfaidh ár lá," it's probably not going to get off the ground to begin with. How can the Social Democrats, with their progressive agenda, justify joining forces with TDs openly glorifying the IRA?

Probably the most stable government at this point would be FF + FG + Greens, but I can't see that happening. So we shall have to wait and see.

...the PIRA were a left wing entity......

Rodin · 11-02-2020 08:34PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

No you don't for a glaucoma test. You go on a list which is between 2-3 years.

Go privately if you're that worried.
What's more important? Saving your sight or saving a few quid?

Pauliedragon · 11-02-2020 08:34PM

Rodin wrote: »

Should have gone to Specsavers.

It was specsavers that noticed there might be an issue therefore I was refered to a consultant hence the waiting list.

Rodin · 11-02-2020 08:37PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

It was specsavers that noticed there might be an issue therefore I was refered to a consultant hence the waiting list.

Id go private if they think there's a problem and you'd wait years to get seen publicly.
Shouldnt have to but that's how it is unfortunately.

But then again everyone is promising thousands of new healthcare staff...

Pauliedragon · 11-02-2020 08:39PM

Rodin wrote: »

Go privately if you're that worried.
What's more important? Saving your sight or saving a few quid?

I'm going private and chances are it'll be a non issue but if it does end up serious I'll be on disability for the rest of my life. Wouldn't it be better if I got it fixed and stay in the workplace paying tax for the next 30 years?

JohnnyFlash · 11-02-2020 08:45PM

I’d like to see the wish of the people who voted for change represented. So that would be a coalition of FF, SF, Greens and Soc Dems.

SF, Greens and Soc Dems would have a significant number of seats above that of FF so could call the shots in many ways.

Rodin · 11-02-2020 08:46PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

I'm going private and chances are it'll be a non issue but if it does end up serious I'll be on disability for the rest of my life. Wouldn't it be better if I got it fixed and stay in the workplace paying tax for the next 30 years?

Why would you be on disability in your 30s?

JohnnyFlash · 11-02-2020 08:46PM

Odhinn wrote: »

...the PIRA were a left wing entity......

Ya, that’s why they shot people based on their religion. Straight out of the Marxist handbook?

Jamie2k9 · 11-02-2020 08:49PM

FF, Green, SD or LAB propped up by FG for a short period of time and issues will be solved before we go back to the to the country again.

Personally I didn't vote Green, SD etc and I wonder how conferrable are those first pref voters at the prospect of them going into Gov with SF. I know SF transferred to them heavily.

Pauliedragon · 11-02-2020 08:50PM

Rodin wrote: »

Why would you be on disability in your 30s?

The HSE wont recognise the private test so I have to wait for their conclusion which by the time they get around to it I could be legally blind and unable to do my job so I would have to go onto disability payments.

ShylockWept · 11-02-2020 08:51PM

I;'ve been giving this considerable thought since Sunday evening. The only viable, stable government at this point in time is an FF-FG-Green coalition. I firmly believe that this is what the powers that be are planning for.

The game at the moment is to allow SF to try to form a government of the left. Unless there is a serious attempt to organise the independents into one or two blocks, then SF will fail in its attempts to form a grand left coalition. At the moment, I can see them only getting to mid-60s: SF (37) + Green (12) + Lab (6) + SD (6) + PbP (5) = 65. They would need 16 independents - so practically, every independent. It won't happen. It is highly likely that Labour will not participate given the current composition of the party

So by next week SF will have gone through the motions, and will have to approach FF with a coalition offering, which will be impossible. It would involve FF disavowing entirely what they promised throughout the election. For FF, the lesser of two evils is a coalition with FG. But I'm not sure FG would agree to this. Although Leo said he would consider a grand coalition with FF as a last resort, after the election results I would say there is zero appetite to go to bed with FF. It would allow SF to be a bigger opposition party.

So, what happens next? While I think that n FF+FG+ Green coalition is in the best interests of the country, my guess is that SF will form a minority coalition with a confidence and supply deal with independent blocks

Odhinn · 11-02-2020 08:51PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Ya, that’s why they shot people based on their religion. Straight out of the Marxist handbook?

Simplistic nonsense, particularily when one of the founder members of the PIRA was himself a protestant.

Rodin · 11-02-2020 08:53PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

The HSE wont recognise the private test so I have to wait for their conclusion which by the time they get around to it I could be legally blind and unable to do my job so I would have to go onto disability payments.

Or the private person you see will put you on treatment which might save your sight... IF you have glaucoma.
Id be more worried about your catastrophising.

BarryD2 · 11-02-2020 09:00PM

You've gotta love the people who think the Greens would just jump into bed with the Shinners - chalk & cheese in so many ways as far as I can see.

JohnnyFlash · 11-02-2020 09:00PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Simplistic nonsense, particularily when one of the founder members of the PIRA was himself a protestant.

Ya, Kingsmill massacre and Eniskillen bombing were simplistic alright. Simplistic in that they involved murdering people based simply on being Protestant.

swarlb · 11-02-2020 09:03PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

could you imagine the madness to get it going 'everyone has to wear gender pronoun nametags and praise stalin every morning and kerry gets a new airport and south dublin is now a muslim safety zone and portlaoise gets a skyscraper of social housing and the retirement age is now 40 and all of roscommon gets free straw for cattle and cars are banned but theres a subsidy for electric charge points"

And don't forget a full stop, comma and exclamation mark has to be used at least once in a sentence. !

Pauliedragon · 11-02-2020 09:04PM

Rodin wrote: »

Or the private person you see will put you on treatment which might save your sight... IF you have glaucoma.
Id be more worried about your catastrophising.

We'll just agree to disagree on this one I reckon. In my opinion our public health system is flawed and needs attention. This is an anonymous forum so I'm not "catastrophising" anything.

dwmcdos · 11-02-2020 09:23PM

Edgware wrote: »

And what attraction is there in that for G.P. and F.F.?

For FF? Power, as always, plus they won't leave SF on the opposition benches building support opposite a hated coalition. The Greens? Might not go for it but they can be replaced by the left wingers. FF and FG won't want another election this year but doubt they can afford to go in together again, even if they could keep working together without the external threat of Brexit.

Rodin · 11-02-2020 09:37PM

Pauliedragon wrote: »

We'll just agree to disagree on this one I reckon. In my opinion our public health system is flawed and needs attention. This is an anonymous forum so I'm not "catastrophising" anything.

You have yourself legally blind and incapable of work in your 30s... before you've even got a diagnosis. Id call that catastrophising

Mad_maxx · 11-02-2020 10:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Anything that avoids us moving further left. Too many people getting free ride with other peoples money.

The only certainty in the next government is that things shift further left

Pauliedragon · 11-02-2020 10:10PM

Rodin wrote: »

You have yourself legally blind and incapable of work in your 30s... before you've even got a diagnosis. Id call that catastrophising

I'm only using my situation as an example. I can go private and I'll be fine but there are plenty out there who can't afford it and I think it's unfair for them to wait on lists that are too long and in the longterm some will end up being a burden on the state financially when it would be cheaper to get them looked after and back to work paying tax instead of on social welfare. It's short term thinking instead of looking at the long term picture.

Better Than Christ · 11-02-2020 10:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Anything that avoids us moving further left. Too many people getting free ride with other peoples money.

Even if FF, FG and their respective gene-pool independents somehow form a 'keep SF out' government, they'll have no choice, in terms of policy, but to make it the most left-leaning one in living memory. Anything else would result in them being trounced by Sinn Féin next time.

10pennymixup · 11-02-2020 10:59PM

who what when wrote: »

It's amazing to me how few people feel this way. I would vote for the nazi party before I'd vote for Fianna Fail, (and I'm not a fan of nazi's)

So rather than vote Finna Fail you would sooner vote for a countries national socialist party that got in to power shortly after a worldwide recession, on a populist far fetched agenda with a charismatic leader, with strong links to (para)military thugs.

Oh wait.................you already have.

Snow Garden · 11-02-2020 11:01PM

I think we are looking at FF + SF + SD.

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