Coronavirus Part IV - 19 cases in ROI, 7 in NI (as of 7 March) *Read warnings in OP*

Runaways

ChurchtownMan wrote: »

Nonsense. While it may frustrate the permananently Outraged of The Internet, this is nothing to do with transparency. Authorities will not release information simply as fuel for an avid twitter stream, or rubberneckers.
The authorities are doing their best in unprecedentedly difficult circumstances, and one that they fundamentally cannot win. 'Transparency' has nothing to do with the health care of the nation. In contrast, the lack of it, is being taken for very good and responsible reasons.

Just to add there were people in this very thread and on social media pretty much looking to Lynch that doctor in cork who returned to work after coming home from Italy.
Another reason we’re not given any more information than is necessary

Drumpot

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

And besides the rescue ship will be along any minute now.

I heard there’s a few Irish lads on the rescue ship so they delayed it until after the parade.

Funsterdelux

DOCARCH wrote: »

That's the reason to cancel, to try and keep it that way.

The risk is not from the confirmed cases.

The risk is from the unconfirmed cases that are out there.

It would also give people a chance to organise other work for themselves. Cancel orders etc.

The later its left the worse it is for everyone

Mic 1972

Darc19 wrote: »

People don't get drunk watching a parade.
Those who want to get drunk will do so whether or not there is a parade.

And that is gonna have to change, pubs are places for people gathering and drunk people have no ability to take precautions against spreading or protecting themselves from it

RandomName2

is_that_so wrote: »

As Boris said, quoting his own medical people, there are lots of tools available and we should not be using them all at once. That time may come but it's not now.

You do know that Boris has abandoned containment and has accepted that covid-19 will spread across the UK, with measures only put in place to help the NHS cope with the volume of cases generated?

New Home

Thewife wrote: »

Apologies if this has already been asked and answered . How will this lockdown in Italy work ? No flights in or out ? What about the Italians then might be elsewhere on holidays , will they be allowed back in ? And has the lockdown already been put in place ?
Wuhan alert the people that it was going to be put on lockdown at a certain day and time and supposedly up to 5 million people got out quickly before the lockdown started so I’m wondering if this could be the same situation in Italy .

No travelling into, out of, or within the area unless for emergencies or undeferrable work reasons (e.g. nurses, doctors, emergency services, electricity suppliers, etc).

Mic 1972

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Czech Republic has broken ranks.

They are calling on Italy to ban all foreign travel by Italian citizens.

First country in Europe to openly call for that

You sound like a broken record. The virus is here already, your best chances to get infected is next week at the parades

Drumpot

Pseudonym121 wrote: »

People wonder what healthcare workers will do. I amnt going to be addressing COVID19 rates etc directly anymore. The public narrative is catching up to what I said and was attacked for So there’s no need to keep ringing the alarm. With that said this was an interesting post and here’s some interesting reading of what happened within living memory ( thankfully this isn’t as lethal as SARS or MERS etc so there won’t have to be quite as drastic self-sacrifice).

Sars: The people who risked their lives to stop the virus http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-23710697

And here’s a few sobering insights regarding how doctors and nurses die at higher rates than the public with this sort of thing From the Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/noble-tradition-of-healthcare-workers-placing-themselves-in-danger-lives-on-1.4165486

When SARS and swine flu hit I was still an NCHD and my colleagues and I had to decide what to do on a personal level knowing these sorts of outcomes. I’m glad to say everyone I worked with kept coming in and several of us agreed amongst ourselves to move into the hospitals and live there ( and if necessary did there) until it passed. Thankfully they never got as bad as this is going to get in Ireland but I remember those discussions very vividly.

If necessary doctors and nurses worldwide will make the big play if it is necessary for society. Not all of them but enough.

Just a crying shame that people and countries in “civilized” society’s won’t make the sacrifices now to help you guys. Good luck over the next few months.

RandomName2

biko wrote: »

Because of people thinking like this the virus managed to spread all the way from China to my hometown

That's how case zero becomes case 106,165

ChurchtownMan

KWAG2019 wrote: »

The emerging choice is apparently you affect economy or you affect number of deaths; with the caveat that increased death rate will have economic, social and political consequences later. I think the caretaker govt is at risk of having made a choice through inaction, be that intentional or not.

https://twitter.com/bopanc/status/1236437764431908864?s=21

It is the choice the whole of Europe is taking. No European country can take the Wuhan option.

Keep in mind for comparison, that what China shutdown to prevent the spread was the equivalent of Ireland shutting down Waterford. If that solved the issue for Ireland to, it would do so, and could take the economic hit. But Ireland, cannot shut its 5M population down. It simply could not function. And doesnt have another 500 million citizens outside that area to bail it out.

Gods Gift

Carpe Diem.

CinemaGuy45

biko wrote: »

Because of this thinking the virus managed to spread all the way from China to my hometown

Will this be the next horror?

Ludo

Flights still departing Milan Malpensa. Assumed saying no one can enter or leave Lombardy would involve closing airports. Guess not though. Probably the HSEs fault.

Beasty

I'll be opening up Thread V in a few minutes, so if anyone wants to reply to anything in this thread here you have until about 10:35!

is_that_so

ChikiChiki wrote: »

This. It is saddening to see medical professionals screaming at the Government to cancel and their calls falling on deaf ears.

They are not tasked with addressing the problem. Other doctors who are, say something different.

Bob24

Vera Shy Storybook wrote: »

How exactly did Italy “screw up “ ? Seeing as you then go on to say France figures are exactly the same... Did France “screw up” too so?

To summarise it in a sentence, Italy screwed-up by not identifying and locking down their large cluster earlier.

It is clear the Italians have the European Wuhan on their territory (ie the first large endemic cluster in the area). But they didn’t lock it down early and strongly enough to slow down contagion to other areas of Europe, as opposed to the way China isolated Wuhan and its province.

This was the original and Italian specific mistake. Now that is not to say other countries are doing great and yes while France (and the rest of Europe) can blame Italy for this original mistake, they are now very slow to implement measures to slow down and control contagion within their own territories.

toneygecko

So I'm not sure if this has been covered yet but I have it from a credible source that the number of staff in CUH that have been put in self isolation is over 100 not the 60 that was reported. CUH are crying out for replacement staff from other hospitals in the region but from what I'm told they're not having much luck.

Bear in mind I only have this from one source (albeit a good one). I'm not giving the exact number in order to protect my source. (they may have all been given slightly different numbers to identify a leaker)

I'd just like to know why we're being lied to, we all deserve the truth at a minimum.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

US2 wrote: »

I didn't get this from WhatsApp, I simply said I'd nearly believe WhatsApp over the hse as they havnt released some of the positive tests from Friday.

No they haven't released all the positive tests out to the public, also other important information (but I'll wait until Monday to see if that's been released) Our numbers must be much higher than what's being reported.

Media only releasing the government line here, no real investigative reporting at all so you can see why people will believe rumours over official reports.

RandomName2

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Will this be the next horror?

User name checks out.

daheff

Darc19 wrote: »

With so few cases at present, it's premature to cancel anything.

Obviously things can change. But at this moment there's simply too much hysteria

It's not the few cases here that's the problem. It's the infected ones that will fly in not knowing they are infected, spread it and leave us with thousands more....all happening at the same time. Give 2weeks for the outbreak to spike...then another 8 days for the ICU needs...and we're fcked by Easter.

Drumpot

Ludo wrote: »

Flights still departing Milan Malpensa. Assumed saying no one can enter or leave Lombardy would involve closing airports. Guess not though. Probably the HSEs fault.

Supposedly the best approach is to wait until it gets really bad and then retroactively take decisions that would of helped weeks in advance. Sure who could see it getting bad in Ireland, there are only 18 cases after all....

Thewife

Thank you for your reply .
And do we know if this is already in place or have they given a deadline for it to start ?
I’m presuming there are Italians in Ireland at present that were due to go to the rugby and some travelled anyway , presuming they are from the lockdown area (most likely they are as rugby is typically followed predominately in norther Italy ) will those Italians be allowed fly back to Italy now or are they stuck here with us for the foreseeable ?

New Home wrote: »

No travelling into, out of, or within the area unless for emergencies or undeferrable work reasons (e.g. nurses, doctors, emergency services, electricity suppliers, etc).

john_doe.

john_doe. wrote: »

What is the reason Italy has been hit so bad?

Granted this guy Mattia presents to the hospital and waits 36 hrs before been diagnosed, spread it around etc. But surely this must have happened elsewhere, Cork Hospital had patient similarly not diagnosed that spread it.

But why did it get so bad in Italy. Also looks like the recovery rate is poor in Italy.

Is the virus more potent there and why ?

Milan fashion week was also on. It’s one of the biggest fashion events of the year. All those fashionistas from around the globe double cheek kissing EVERYONE they see.

I know a few shows were behind closed doors but those in the industry that would have attended obviously congregated elsewhere.

CinemaGuy45

RandomName2 wrote: »

User name checks out.

China Italy Iran followed by Ireland.;)

ChurchtownMan

ChikiChiki wrote: »

This. It is saddening to see medical professionals screaming at the Government to cancel and their calls falling on deaf ears.

The medical people are only seeing one side of the equation. The government, as they must, are seeing the full picture. And taking the appropriate balanced decisions.

Christy42

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Czech Republic has broken ranks.

They are calling on Italy to ban all foreign travel by Italian citizens.

First country in Europe to openly call for that

That seems pointless. I mean all our imported cases were Irish citizens travelling in Italy. Are we going to be stopping any Italian citizens who live outside of Italy travelling too?

This seems like they want to look like they are doing something without actuy doing anything.

DOCARCH

ChurchtownMan wrote: »

The medical people are only seeing one side of the equation. The government, as they must, are seeing the full picture. And taking the appropriate balanced decisions.

Yip....

Solve the pensions and housing crisis by the spread of Covid-19.

CinemaGuy45

Beasty wrote: »

I'll be opening up Thread V in a few minutes, so if anyone wants to reply to anything in this thread here you have until about 10:35!

Really messing with my OCD not letting these threads get to 10'000.:D

Kermit.de.frog

Christy42 wrote: »

That seems pointless. I mean all our imported cases were Irish citizens travelling in Italy. Are we going to be stopping any Italian citizens who live outside of Italy travelling too?

This seems like they want to look like they are doing something without actuy doing anything.

Nope, we wont do that because what goes around can come around.

DellyBelly

Surely the parade in Dublin can't go ahead now. With the news from another poster saying there is an outbreak in drogheda hospital it surely has to be cancelled

Drumpot

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Really messing with my OCD not letting these threads get to 10'000.:D

Ha , Yeh, I was like, “there’s room for at least another 700 posts, what a waste”...

I don’t even know what it wastes...

jam_mac_jam

The idea to protect economic interests is very shortsighted as the increasing spread of the disease will have a much bigger impact in the long run on the country.

The shutdown when it comes will be much larger by waiting and not acting now. We could have resolved this with a much lower impact at the start.

drunkmonkey

toneygecko wrote: »

So I'm not sure if this has been covered yet but I have it from a credible source that the number of staff in CUH that have been put in self isolation is over 100 not the 60 that was reported. CUH are crying out for replacement staff from other hospitals in the region but from what I'm told they're not having much luck.

Bear in mind I only have this from one source (albeit a good one). I'm not giving the exact number in order to protect my source. (they may have all been given slightly different numbers to identify a leaker)

I'd just like to know why we're being lied to, we all deserve the truth at a minimum.

They said it was over the reported 60 Friday night and identification was still ongoing at that stage, it's 100 easy if not a lot more, then you've Galway, Limerick and Clare to contend with, we may get some ideas by Tuesday evening but tests were backlogged by 48hrs on Thursday god only knows how out of control it is by now.

CinemaGuy45

Drumpot wrote: »

Ha , Yeh, I was like, there’s room for at least another 700 posts, what a waste...

I don’t even know what it wastes...

I wonder will those OCD compulsive hand washers get sick?:D

Kermit.de.frog

DellyBelly wrote: »

Surely the parade in Dublin can't go ahead now. With the news from another poster saying there is an outbreak in drogheda hospital it surely has to be cancelled

Any links or sources for that outbreak?

Mic 1972

Bob24 wrote: »

To summarise it in a sentence, Italy screwed-up by not identifying and locking down their large cluster earlier.

It is clear the Italians have the European Wuhan on their territory but they didn’t lock it down early and strongly enough to slow down contagion to other areas of Europe, as opposed to the way China isolated Wuhan and its province.

This was the original and Italian specific mistake. Now that is not to say other countries are doing great and yes while France (and the rest of Europe) can blame Italy for this original mistake, they are now very slow to implement measures to slow down and control contagion within their own territories.

Italy locked down the initial cluster immediately, the village was surrounded by police cars, people couldn't get in or out. Unfortunately it was too late already because new clusters were popping up everywhere.

It is exactly the same scenario that the rest of Europe is facing right now. Each country can only blame themselves if measures are not in place. Pubs were full of people last night as usual, no need to reach for other countries to blame, we are doing pretty good by ourselves

antodeco

A few questions:

Are they testing people on the weekends?
Are they still "contact tracing" on the weekend?

The reason I ask is I can't help but feel HSE/Government/DoH are purely still working their Monday - Friday shifts. Inaction on the weekend suggests the magnitude of their application to "containment".

Why wasn't a 24/7 emergency team setup for this? Making decisions at any of the day/night?

Pseudonym121

Drumpot wrote: »

Just a crying shame that people and countries in “civilized” society’s won’t make the sacrifices now to help you guys. Good luck over the next few months.

To be fair picking up a mop and going in to clean a ward or going in to cook a meal in a hospital will also be an act of courage for a lot of people a couple of weeks from now.

Lots of people will be putting themselves on the line for the greater good, not just doctors and nurses.

DOCARCH

DellyBelly wrote: »

Surely the parade in Dublin can't go ahead now. With the news from another poster saying there is an outbreak in drogheda hospital it surely has to be cancelled

If we went by social media/rumors, there are probably 7 million cases in Ireland!

RandomName2

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Lol, you're the broken record.

Let's hope dumbass posts like yours above are less in the next thread eh?

Look you're both right.

If Europe wants to contain it (it doesn't but let's ignore that for the moment) it needs to get rid of local clusters and stop the spread from country to country. No point getting rid of your own cases if you import a batch of news ones.

There's no point.. really.. in Ireland getting rid of its cases if the UK becomes overrun with the disease. Think about it.

It is an entirely interconnected problem, and the governments failing to address that is what has got us into this position in the first place.

You need to make hard decisions early on to not have to make harder ones later.

New Home

Thewife wrote: »

Thank you for your reply .
And do we know if this is already in place or have they given a deadline for it to start ?
I’m presuming there are Italians in Ireland at present that were due to go to the rugby and some travelled anyway , presuming they are from the lockdown area (most likely they are as rugby is typically followed predominately in norther Italy ) will those Italians be allowed fly back to Italy now or are they stuck here with us for the foreseeable ?

This is effective as of today. In the initial red zones they had the army manning the checkpoints, blocking access. You needed a document issued by the Courts to allow you in or out (e.g. to deliver supplies). Think of this as Berlin when the Wall went up.

CinemaGuy45

Last post of the thread?????

Beasty

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Really messing with my OCD not letting these threads get to 10'000.:D

Problem is they move so quickly and I may head out stocking up on bog roll to get back to find we're 1k over

Anyway, I've given fair warning this time:pac: