CoVid19 Part XIV - 8,089 in ROI (288 deaths) 1,589 in NI (92 deaths) (10/04) Read OP

caveat emptor

Mr.S wrote: »

Take a break, Jesus Christ. Walk outside or something.

Stay safe, stay at home is the advice I'm afraid.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

PropJoe10 wrote: »

True words, but I'm also unsure about why there isn't enough fear already. People are stuck at home and presumably watching television. Are people not seeing what's happened in Italy, Spain, the UK etc? I mean, you'd have to think that even someone with a low to moderate IQ level would understand that this is a very, very serious situation.

But yet, this doesn't seem to be enough, as you said. Is it going to take a member of their own family to get it to make them realise how serious this is? Or maybe they'll need to get it themselves?

In any case, if you separate yourself from the seriousness of the situation, it's a very interesting social study to see how people are reacting to this (or not reacting, as the case may be).

It’s not possible to stay in a heightened state of fear. Anyone living with a life-threatening condition knows that. Eventually you just have to take all known precautions and then compartmentalise it in your mind.

keynes

ironingbored wrote: »

Madness is believing anything that appears on Extra.ie

https://twitter.com/fergalrte/status/1248275464336093185

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If there were four cars per ferry, that's 16 cars per day with say 3 people per car. Thats 50 people from Europe's virus epicenter per day. The virus spread from 1 person on Wuhan. Just remember that.

martingriff

Beasty wrote: »

Right - I've taken an executive decision, and included the extra 1,035 German positives in the thread title update

Don't add them in twice when they are actually reported

Cork Boy 53

irishlad. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1248689459035549699

48 hours.......

I suppose this is an acknowledgement of reality in a country that initially claimed to have no cases of the virus at all.

igCorcaigh

https://twitter.com/HelenBranswell/status/1248688327752114182?s=19

PropJoe10

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

It’s not possible to stay in a heightened state of fear. Anyone living with a life-threatening condition knows that. Eventually you just have to take all known precautions and then compartmentalise it in your mind.

True, but I'm not sure if cruising down to your holiday home or going on a family shopping trip to the supermarket counts as "all known precautions". People need to sharpen up, and fast.

Kermit.de.frog

irishlad. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1248689459035549699

48 hours.......

Erdogan trying to portray himself as the strong man while not taking the required measures that mean any pain for his people that could affect his standing.

igCorcaigh

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

I suppose this is an acknowledgement of reality in a country that initially claimed to have no cases of the virus at all.

Progress of sorts

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

PropJoe10 wrote: »

True, but I'm not sure if cruising down to your holiday home or going on a family shopping trip to the supermarket counts as "all known precautions". People need to sharpen up, and fast.

There’s a certain amount of dopes out there and they’re not going to be got through to probably.

Rvsmmnps

BanditLuke wrote: »

Denial is the enemy. People need to stop focusing on the economy of the world as it is fcuked anyway and huge debt write off will follow. We must focus on keeping our boot on the neck of the virus.

Denial of what,the nearly dead old people dying?

Read!
Professor Eiliv Lund contends that the epidemic is no longer a serious threat to the healthy part of the population. He bases this on statistics (published in the paper) newly received from the Italian Public Health Institute. The stats show unequivocally that fatalities for those in their 40s (or younger) is extremely rare. For children and teenagers, virtually no one died, unless they had a concomitant diagnosis placing them in a risk group. The professor points out that the Italian population, especially the elderly, are in a far less fortunate state physically than the Norwegian population. The conclusion therefore, is that for families in their 40s with children, there is virtually no risk of death or serious illness. And therefore, there is no reason why these families cannot return to school and work.

Wibbs

PropJoe10 wrote: »

True words, but I'm also unsure about why there isn't enough fear already. People are stuck at home and presumably watching television. Are people not seeing what's happened in Italy, Spain, the UK etc? I mean, you'd have to think that even someone with a low to moderate IQ level would understand that this is a very, very serious situation.

But yet, this doesn't seem to be enough, as you said. Is it going to take a member of their own family to get it to make them realise how serious this is? Or maybe they'll need to get it themselves?

In any case, if you separate yourself from the seriousness of the situation, it's a very interesting social study to see how people are reacting to this (or not reacting, as the case may be).

People tend to cling to routine P. It's also hardwired into us from our days of being prey animals of avoiding panic. The individuals who panicked were picked off by the predators. Look at what happens in sudden emergencies in crowds. Most stand idly until a fewpeople start running away from the source of the emergency and then they all follow like starlings. Vanishingly few keep their wits and move towards the danger to try to help. They're rare. That's why we call them heroes and why they get medals.


So people will close off their minds almost completely to a threat they see as too removed from them. So dying people in Italy in an alien environment like an ICU just doesn't really register. Plus it being mostly older people it doesn't register with many younger people, as most tend to live apart from their older rellies. Like you said it has to hit much closer to home. And even then... I mean you'll see heavy smokers at a funeral for a lung cancer victim.

Put up posters of a lovely elderly lady, one of the actual Irish victims of this virus.

"This is Annie. She was 78. Sean her husband had passed away a few years ago, but Anne was getting on with life, cherishing her family and friends and having her walks every day with her little terrier Sandy. She died last week of Covid 19.

She died because of you, because you left your house when you didn't need to, she died because you didn't keep your distance, she died because you didn't wash your hands, she died because you didn't cover your mouth.

Remember Annie, don't kill again".

That might put the wind up some of the fcukwits.

caveat emptor

tobefrank321 wrote: »

One ferry had 4 cars of Irish people who live in the UK.

Do we know if any of them have covid 19?

Do we know if they plan to isolate?

We have no way of knowing the answer to either.

The same people who said we had to worry about re Italian flights are coming out of the woodwork to tell us we have nothibg to worry about UK visitors.

Might pop on the ferry to the sunny south east. Plenty of availability on airbnb for this weekend, very reasonably priced. Doesn't matter where you are isolating I guess.

tobefrank321

Mr.S wrote: »

Take a break, Jesus Christ. Walk outside or something.

The mistakes around controlling borders have cost many many lives. All avoidable.

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

By that logic. Lets not test anyone for 2 / 3 weeks then when the results come back don't UPDATE the previous daily figures on which they occurred.

No point worrying if it is in the past.

Definition of extend and pretend.

What? Tests of people who are now recovered are irrelevant to today. Still need to test everyone possible and get results as quickly as possible

Bannasidhe

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

Channel 4 news had a report from Ecuador :eek:

That was.....

Yeah.

:eek:

BanditLuke

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

If they tested everyone on the island prob 100,000 people are carrying the virus and they cant do nothing about the spread.It kills old and ill so the rest of society is going to have to get along with life as normal pretty soon.
If your old stay at home,if your ill same.
There is no alternative,this solidarity stay at home stuff wont cut it for much longer.

ICU's around the globe are full of people in their 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's. If we open up for business there will be literally no way of saving these people as the world won't have capacity to deal with millions more. This virus kills young and old and even with restrictions they are building mass graves in some cities. I've no doubt that if you and your ilk got their way this would kill as many as the Spanish flu but thankfully cooler heads are prevailing.

froog

froog wrote: »

all they had to do was give the actual total today and say "by the way, big increase there due to old tests coming back"

Exactly

LiquidZeb

Rvsmmnps wrote: »

Denial of what,the nearly dead old people dying?

Read!
Professor Eiliv Lund contends that the epidemic is no longer a serious threat to the healthy part of the population. He bases this on statistics (published in the paper) newly received from the Italian Public Health Institute. The stats show unequivocally that fatalities for those in their 40s (or younger) is extremely rare. For children and teenagers, virtually no one died, unless they had a concomitant diagnosis placing them in a risk group. The professor points out that the Italian population, especially the elderly, are in a far less fortunate state physically than the Norwegian population. The conclusion therefore, is that for families in their 40s with children, there is virtually no risk of death or serious illness. And therefore, there is no reason why these families cannot return to school and work.

Sorry you're only wasting your time. The majority of people here only want hysterical doomsaying. We should all barricade our doors and never come out. Kill the children to spare them the suffering. The level of bitching on display is chronic.

caveat emptor

Wibbs wrote: »

People tend to cling to routine P. It's also hardwired into us from our days of being prey animals of avoiding panic. The individuals who panicked were picked off by the predators. Look at what happens in sudden emergencies in crowds. Most stand idly until a fewpeople start running away from the source of the emergency and then they all follow like starlings. Vanishingly few keep their wits and move towards the danger to try to help. They're rare. That's why we call them heroes and why they get medals.


So people will close off their minds almost completely to a threat they see as too removed from them. So dying people in Italy in an alien environment like an ICU just doesn't really register. Plus it being mostly older people it doesn't register with many younger people, as most tend to live apart from their older rellies. Like you said it has to hit much closer to home. And even then... I mean you'll see heavy smokers at a funeral for a lung cancer victim.

Put up posters of a lovely elderly lady, one of the actual Irish victims of this virus.

"This is Annie. She was 78. Sean her husband had passed away a few years ago, but Anne was getting on with life, cherishing her family and friends and having her walks every day with her little terrier Sandy. She died last week of Covid 19.

She died because of you, because you left your house when you didn't need to, she died because you didn't keep your distance, she died because you didn't wash your hands, she died because you didn't cover your mouth.

Remember Annie, don't kill again".

That might put the wind up some of the fcukwits.

Exactly. Like the drink driving adds. Unpleasant to watch a car ploughing through a hedge backwards but had the desired effect in changing behaviour.

Quantum Erasure

coastwatch wrote: »

But that is the very reason why they should not include the delayed 500 test results in todays daily figure, because it would have indicated a false (too high) growth rate.

most countries have a spike like that somewhere in their numbers

BanditLuke

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The mistakes around controlling borders have cost many many lives. All avoidable.

Nobody can deny that now.

tobefrank321

tobefrank321 wrote: »

One ferry had 4 cars of Irish people who live in the UK.

Do we know if any of them have covid 19?

Do we know if they plan to isolate?

We have no way of knowing the answer to either.

The same people who said we had nothing to worry about re Italian flights are coming out of the woodwork to tell us we have nothing to worry about UK visitors.

Everyone should be isolating

ShineOn7

Deleted User wrote: »

I think they tested everyone so of course it’ll be lower.

I forgot Iceland tested all/almost all of the population


Cheers

Kermit.de.frog

irishlad. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1248689459035549699

48 hours.......

Rvsmmnps

BanditLuke wrote: »

ICU's around the globe are full of people in their 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's. If we open up for business there will be literally no way of saving these people as the world won't have capacity to deal with millions more. This virus kills young and old and even with restrictions they are building mass graves in some cities. I've no doubt that if you and your ilk got their way this would kill as many as the Spanish flu but thankfully cooler heads are prevailing.

Can you show me the figures of where the virus kills young and old seemingly at a similar rate to the way you word it.Because it doesn't,average death rate for the past 19 days in Ireland is under 15 persons per day/

LiquidZeb

Wibbs wrote: »

People tend to cling to routine P. It's also hardwired into us from our days of being prey animals of avoiding panic. The individuals who panicked were picked off by the predators. Look at what happens in sudden emergencies in crowds. Most stand idly until a fewpeople start running away from the source of the emergency and then they all follow like starlings. Vanishingly few keep their wits and move towards the danger to try to help. They're rare. That's why we call them heroes and why they get medals.


So people will close off their minds almost completely to a threat they see as too removed from them. So dying people in Italy in an alien environment like an ICU just doesn't really register. Plus it being mostly older people it doesn't register with many younger people, as most tend to live apart from their older rellies. Like you said it has to hit much closer to home. And even then... I mean you'll see heavy smokers at a funeral for a lung cancer victim.

Put up posters of a lovely elderly lady, one of the actual Irish victims of this virus.

"This is Annie. She was 78. Sean her husband had passed away a few years ago, but Anne was getting on with life, cherishing her family and friends and having her walks every day with her little terrier Sandy. She died last week of Covid 19.

She died because of you, because you left your house when you didn't need to, she died because you didn't keep your distance, she died because you didn't wash your hands, she died because you didn't cover your mouth.

Remember Annie, don't kill again".

That might put the wind up some of the fcukwits.

Piss off with that nonsense. Bloody morally blackmailing people. Get a life I swear you lot are only relishing this ****e.

joe_99

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Rupert Murdoch must be pulling the belly off himself every night in celebration of the figures his "news" channels are getting in all this

Sky News is complete and utter Gloom Porn*



(*That phrase just came to me, but feel free to use it)

Sky is owned by Comcast NBC. The other side of the political divide to Murdoch's Fox News

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

People tend to cling to routine P. It's also hardwired into us from our days of being prey animals of avoiding panic. The individuals who panicked were picked off by the predators. Look at what happens in sudden emergencies in crowds. Most stand idly until a fewpeople start running away from the source of the emergency and then they all follow like starlings. Vanishingly few keep their wits and move towards the danger to try to help. They're rare. That's why we call them heroes and why they get medals.


So people will close off their minds almost completely to a threat they see as too removed from them. So dying people in Italy in an alien environment like an ICU just doesn't really register. Plus it being mostly older people it doesn't register with many younger people, as most tend to live apart from their older rellies. Like you said it has to hit much closer to home. And even then... I mean you'll see heavy smokers at a funeral for a lung cancer victim.

Put up posters of a lovely elderly lady, one of the actual Irish victims of this virus.

"This is Annie. She was 78. Sean her husband had passed away a few years ago, but Anne was getting on with life, cherishing her family and friends and having her walks every day with her little terrier Sandy. She died last week of Covid 19.

She died because of you, because you left your house when you didn't need to, she died because you didn't keep your distance, she died because you didn't wash your hands, she died because you didn't cover your mouth.

Remember Annie, don't kill again".

That might put the wind up some of the fcukwits.

You're blessed with common sense. If this was posted on the 'Relaxation of Restrictions' thread it would induce a collective meltdown among the "damaged economy causes far more fatalities than the elderly & vulnerable from Covid-19" cohort.

martingriff

tobefrank321 wrote: »

One ferry had 4 cars of Irish people who live in the UK.

Do we know if any of them have covid 19?

Do we know if they plan to isolate?

We have no way of knowing the answer to either.

The same people who said we had nothing to worry about re Italian flights are coming out of the woodwork to tell us we have nothing to worry about UK visitors.

Calm down that piece was to refute hundreds or thousands were coming in. Those 4 will have to isolate like the rest of us. Earlier today you said your tone was in relation as you do not trust anyone in the government or HSE so who do you trust