Russia - great bunch of lads!

ohnonotgmail

ShatterAlan wrote: »

The time-honoured and shabby trick of trying to shut down debate by screaming "CT".


The Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened, did it?
If governments can make up a military attack they can certainly make up people to serve their agenda.


Do you know for a fact that they existed? Granted it would be a risky proposal to put up pictures of the so-called Skripals only to have the real people in the pictures come out screaming that they are Joe and Jill Bloggs.


The Skripals probably do/did exist. I've never seen them, never heard them being interviewed. Their house has been destroyed. I've never heard any of their neighbours talk about them. That doesn't prove that they don't exist, however

to suggest they never existed is to ignore the friends they had and the ambulance and hospital staff that looked after them.or are they all lying?

coolbeans

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I travelled all over when I wasn't watching matches.
I visited towns, villages and cities that were hundreds of miles away from the football centres.
Are you trying to say that the whole country was pimped out for a month and then dismantled? That's some feat. The whole country is one big Potemkin village.

I'm not trying to say that obviously but your impressions are only your impressions. That doesn't take away from the massive and worsening problems the country has. It doesn't help that an oligarch class has emerged most of whom seem determined on theft of all state assets egged on by an immensely wealthy and obliging president only happy to let that happen.

dotsman

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Yugoslavia was a natural Russian ally. That's why NATO attacked and smashed the place to pieces.

WTF? Do you have even the slightest bit of knowledge of what you are talking about?

Yugoslavia was NOT, nor EVER an ally of Russia. Tito was terrified of Stalin and feared that Moscow would try to overthrow him and replace him with a pro-Russian dictator. Yugoslavia spent the entire Cold War in fear that their country would be used like the Ardennes was during WW2 as a back door around the iron Curtain. Knowing that they could never stand up to Russia from a military perspective and coming from his Partisan past, Yugoslavia military doctrine was focused on local resistance and sabotage. Hence, when Yugoslavia broke up, there were guns everywhere (every town would have had an arsenal to allow the rapid forming of militia if Russia invaded).

Also, sorry to burst your fantasy, but NATO never attacked and "smashed the place to pieces". After years of warfare and ethnic cleansing as Yugoslavia descended into independent states, when the communist party in Serbia (one of the states) carried out brutal massacres and took UN observers as hostages, NATO was asked to strike a few military targets over the space of a few weeks to bring them to the negotiating table (as part of the successful "Lift and Strike policy).

Years later, when the communist party in Serbia again told the world (including your beloved russia) to fcuk off and let them slaughter the Kosovars, again NATO was asked to destroy a few strategic targets to bring them to the negotiating table.

glen123

Putin isn't trying to re-create anything. Otherwise back in 2014 he would have gone all the way with Ukraine. But he had no interest in doing so.

This is his way of keeping the Russian Federation and its borders intact. It's a very multicultural country as well with many autonomous republics within it so this side also needs managing. The fact remains that once he replaced Eltsin, things have improved. He does have the support of the majority of the population and while many do think he could have done more about dealing with corruption and other areas, he is a way safer option for the voters than others.

I presume in time he will be replaced by a similar leader once one is identified but I'd say no change for at least another 10 years.

Hangdogroad

ShatterAlan wrote: »

You see?
I asked you if you had proof and you resort to nothing more than peddling propaganda.


In case it's skipped your attention it's not up to those two guys to prove their innocence it's up to you to PROVE their guilt and you can't do that.


But it doesn't matter. the damage is done and you've been suckered and that was the object of the exercise all along so it was successful. 2 years on and not a word from Skripal or his daughter. They just vanished into thin air. No interviews no nothing. We don't even know it they ever existed or if they are now dead having been bumped off because they've outlived their purpose and we can't risk having them talk and expose the truth about the case.


So it doesn't matter, you and many people like you just blindly swallowed this joke of a story and now have a very negative view of Russia in general and Putin in particular and that was the goal all along. To poison not the Skripals but to poison your opinion.

I asked you did you believe their explanation for being in Salisbury. Well, do you?

dotsman

ShatterAlan wrote: »

It IS propaganda and you've fallen for it.

How the fcuk is any of it propaganda? Is any of it wrong? Is any of it misleading/irrelevant?

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I'm not talking about Stalin's purges or the gulags. We're talking about Russia here. And Putin is NOT trying to recreate a Soviet Socialist empire. Don't be so childish. That is the kind of nonsense that is spewed out in Western media circles to demonise Russia and terrify gullible people like you. The Eurasian Land mass is the holy grail for those on the periphery who want to control the world, countries like the US and it's EU and Japanese lapdogs.
Putin was instrumental in bringing down the USSR and yet here you are crashing into your contradictions by absurdly stating that he's trying to re-establish it.

• Putin, a "dictator for Life", has created an expanded Russian empire and wants to expand it even further.
• Under Putin, a handful of people have all the wealth and power, while the masses remain poor and wants to do more of this.
• All political dissent is ruthlessly suppressed.
• Minorities are ruthlessly oppressed.
• He keeps carrying out clandestine operations in European/US affairs to try to weaken any apposition to his expansion plans.
• He happily engages in arms races.
• He promotes a cult-like following.

Sounds very much like the USSR to me!

P.S. Other than resigning his position as a brutal pro-USSR KGB agent in 1991, Putin had nothing to do with "the fall of the USSR". And he only resigned after he realised that all was lost and he jumped ship (years after the crack had actually been forged by the real people who were instrumental in bringing down the USSR.

ShatterAlan wrote: »

I have a simple exercise for you. Whenever western powers any country expresses the need to defend themselves from a certain country or threat from that country, that literally translates into "we want to take over and control that country for its strategic importance and resources"

FYP. Congratulations, you now have the geo-political and history understanding of a mediocre teenager. As Pope put it: "A little learning is a dangerous thing". Can I suggest you stay off the internet for a while? Whatever websites/influencers you follow are seriously feeding you some grade A BS.

ShatterAlan

coolbeans wrote: »

I'm not trying to say that obviously but your impressions are only your impressions. That doesn't take away from the massive and worsening problems the country has. It doesn't help that an oligarch class has emerged most of whom seem determined on theft of all state assets egged on by an immensely wealthy and obliging president only happy to let that happen.

beans, It was under Yeltsin that the country was stripped bare by oligarch thugs like Roman Abramovich who fed him vodka and had him sign over factories, mines, quarries and vast swathes of state owned farmland with the assistance of Wall Street gangsters who licked their lips at getting dynastically rich by robbing the country blind. The life expectancy dropped by 5 years during those years of blatant pillage and larceny.


Putin put a stop to it and booted out the "shock therapy" thieves from the US and banged up as many oligarchs as he could.

ShatterAlan

dotsman wrote: »

WTF? Do you have even the slightest bit of knowledge of what you are talking about?

Yugoslavia was NOT, nor EVER an ally of Russia. Tito was terrified of Stalin and feared that Moscow would try to overthrow him and replace him with a pro-Russian dictator. Yugoslavia spent the entire Cold War in fear that their country would be used like the Ardennes was during WW2 as a back door around the iron Curtain. Knowing that they could never stand up to Russia from a military perspective and coming from his Partisan past, Yugoslavia military doctrine was focused on local resistance and sabotage. Hence, when Yugoslavia broke up, there were guns everywhere (every town would have had an arsenal to allow the rapid forming of militia if Russia invaded).

Also, sorry to burst your fantasy, but NATO never attacked and "smashed the place to pieces". After years of warfare and ethnic cleansing as Yugoslavia descended into independent states, when the communist party in Serbia (one of the states) carried out brutal massacres and took UN observers as hostages, NATO was asked to strike a few military targets over the space of a few weeks to bring them to the negotiating table (as part of the successful "Lift and Strike policy).

Years later, when the communist party in Serbia again told the world (including your beloved russia) to fcuk off and let them slaughter the Kosovars, again NATO was asked to destroy a few strategic targets to bring them to the negotiating table.

Yes I do know what I'm talking about. And why are you bringing up Stalin and Tito's fear of him? Stalin was dead and gone in the 1950's. Was Tito living in fear of Khruschev and Brezhnev thereafter? After Tito died were Yugoslavians living in terror of Andropov, Chernenko, Gorbachev?

The destruction of Yugoslavia was a carefully orchestrated campaign fomented from the outside. It's called Balkanization....the deliberate destruction and weakening of a country to keep it impotent. The same model is being tried in Iraq and Syria.


I am well aware of the animosity between the likes of Draza Mihajlovich, Ante Pavelic, the Chetniks and Ustashe during Nazi Occupation when they established a nominally independent pro-Axis Croatian puppet govenment during WW2 that Tito and his partisan fought against but after the war those hatchets were grudgingly buried.


You yourself might want to dig a little deeper into the true story behind NATO's destruction of Yugoslavia in the 90's and Russia's powerlessness to assist rather than parrotting what you heard or read in pro-Western talking shops.


Start with some books by Misha Glenni

imme

ShatterAlan wrote: »

What you describe is the polar opposite to what I witnessed for a month there during the World Cup.

They control what they want to control, evidence of this is the Russian football hooligans at the 2016 Euros.

ShatterAlan

Hangdogroad wrote: »

I asked you did you believe their explanation for being in Salisbury. Well, do you?

You DIDN'T ask me if I believed their explanation for being in Salisbury.


You (quote) asked "Do you believe these lads story?"


Well to follow on from that...why wouldn't I?


Salisbury is a historical tourist attraction with a famous cathedral. Do you think that Russian people would never visit a city that has historical relevance because, well, they're Russian and Russians are all bogeymen and bogeywomen. They could just have hopped on a train to go to Stratford-Upon-Avon, or York, or Chester, or Stonehenge, or the White Cliffs of Dover, or Beau Maris Castle. What's so unbelievable about that?

If one of them was apprehended on the grounds of Buckingham Palace with a high-velocity rifle, a backpack full of explosives, 10 passports, 20 grand in cash and detailed information about the Queen's schedule for the weekend and his excuse was that he was there to see the changing of the guard I'd be a bit more suspicious. But what's unbelievable about going to see a cathedral and a world famous clock?


I lived in Galway for a short time and one evening I got talking to a Russian guy in a pub. He was a complete train and railway nerd. His reason for being in Ireland was because he wanted to see the railway station in Mullingar which he exclaimed with unbridled delight that it was unique in that it had 3 platforms (arranged in a triangle as opposed to two tracks going in opposite directions). He sent me a calendar of Russian railway stations as a Christmas present when he got back home.


Was this guy some kind of spooky operative hell bent on casing out the Irish rail network on a campaign of sabotage or just a nice quy with an unusual hobby?


If, during his stay in Mullingar, some crime transpired and he was questioned would you immediately discount his reason for being there?


What terrible world of cloak-and-dagger, Reds under the bed, suspicion do you inhabit?

ShatterAlan

dotsman wrote: »

How the fcuk is any of it propaganda? Is any of it wrong? Is any of it misleading/irrelevant?

• Putin, a "dictator for Life", has created an expanded Russian empire and wants to expand it even further.
• Under Putin, a handful of people have all the wealth and power, while the masses remain poor and wants to do more of this.
• All political dissent is ruthlessly suppressed.
• Minorities are ruthlessly oppressed.
• He keeps carrying out clandestine operations in European/US affairs to try to weaken any apposition to his expansion plans.
• He happily engages in arms races.
• He promotes a cult-like following.

Sounds very much like the USSR to me!

P.S. Other than resigning his position as a brutal pro-USSR KGB agent in 1991, Putin had nothing to do with "the fall of the USSR". And he only resigned after he realised that all was lost and he jumped ship (years after the crack had actually been forged by the real people who were instrumental in bringing down the USSR.



FYP. Congratulations, you now have the geo-political and history understanding of a mediocre teenager. As Pope put it: "A little learning is a dangerous thing". Can I suggest you stay off the internet for a while? Whatever websites/influencers you follow are seriously feeding you some grade A BS.

Are you aware that Putin exposed the plot by pro-USSR military generals to seize power in 1991 and preserve the existing order?

ShatterAlan

imme wrote: »

They control what they want to control, evidence of this is the Russian football hooligans at the 2016 Euros.

Are you stating that the Russian government sent trained hooligans to France?

Did Westminster send theirs to fight the Russians?


I'm really trying to resist mentioning the CT forums.

con___manx1

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

That's complete bullsh!t.

Why do you think it's bull****. Russia put the first man in space let's not forget.

ShatterAlan

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

That's complete bullsh!t.

Do some research and come back to me.


The Russian Soyuz rockets transport EVERY American astronaut to the International Space Station. The Russian RD-180 engine also powers the Atlas III and Atlas V launch vehicles.

Nigel Fairservice

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Every satellite and every astronaut (americans included) that are sent into space get there via the propulsion of a Russian rocket engine. I think the Russkis are probably quite handy at the old science and engineering.

No doubt they are handy at science and engineering. Having said that I don't think the Russian state are above making out they are more successful or eminent than they are in certain fields. It all feeds into their soft power.

Tea drinker

ShatterAlan wrote: »

What a load of bollocks. I have many friends living in Moscow and what you are talking is utter sh1t.
Ans which spies has Putin killed in England? Names and proof please.

AKMC doesn't care about the illegal wars NATO is constantly starting, huge loss of life and waste of taxpayers money. Training terrorists to kill innocent people and foment regime changes. Hundreds dead in EU due to backlash sometimes by our own trained terrorists. Anyway, speaking of propaganda, don't forget it it was Putin who hacked the US election with a few hundred dollars of Google ads.
Saddam has loads of WMD. etc etc.

ShatterAlan

dotsman wrote: »

How the fcuk is any of it propaganda? Is any of it wrong? Is any of it misleading/irrelevant?

• Putin, a "dictator for Life", has created an expanded Russian empire and wants to expand it even further.
• Under Putin, a handful of people have all the wealth and power, while the masses remain poor and wants to do more of this.
• All political dissent is ruthlessly suppressed.
• Minorities are ruthlessly oppressed.
• He keeps carrying out clandestine operations in European/US affairs to try to weaken any apposition to his expansion plans.
• He happily engages in arms races.
• He promotes a cult-like following.

Sounds very much like the USSR to me!

P.S. Other than resigning his position as a brutal pro-USSR KGB agent in 1991, Putin had nothing to do with "the fall of the USSR". And he only resigned after he realised that all was lost and he jumped ship (years after the crack had actually been forged by the real people who were instrumental in bringing down the USSR.



FYP. Congratulations, you now have the geo-political and history understanding of a mediocre teenager. As Pope put it: "A little learning is a dangerous thing". Can I suggest you stay off the internet for a while? Whatever websites/influencers you follow are seriously feeding you some grade A BS.

Let's begin with your first point.


Putin is re-establishing a Soviet empire. Really?

He took the leadership of Russia in 1999. That's 21 years ago. A long time for a man with the biggest navy in the world and the largest airforce to and an arsenal of nuclear weapons.


Adolf took but 3 years to go from 1933 with 100,000 men as sanctioned by Versailles to blooding his Stuka dive bombers in Spain in 1936. ..... and ultimately killing millions in 6 years. WITHOUT weapons that could melt the planet...at yet you think that Putin and Russia, after 20 years, are going to rule the world and put us all to the sword?


Grow the fuck up man

ohnonotgmail

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Let's begin with your first point.


Putin is re-establishing a Soviet empire. Really?

He took the leadership of Russia in 1999. That's 21 years ago. A long time for a man with the biggest navy in the world and the largest airforce to and an arsenal of nuclear weapons.


Adolf took but 3 years to go from 1933 with 100,000 men as sanctioned by Versailles to blooding his Stuka dive bombers in Spain in 1936. ..... and ultimately killing millions in 6 years. WITHOUT weapons that could melt the planet...at yet you think that Putin and Russia, after 20 years, are going to rule the world and put us all to the sword?


Grow the fuck up man

neither of those are true.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Let's begin with your first point.


Putin is re-establishing a Soviet empire. Really?

He took the leadership of Russia in 1999. That's 21 years ago. A long time for a man with the biggest navy in the world and the largest airforce to and an arsenal of nuclear weapons.


Adolf took but 3 years to go from 1933 with 100,000 men as sanctioned by Versailles to blooding his Stuka dive bombers in Spain in 1936. ..... and ultimately killing millions in 6 years. WITHOUT weapons that could melt the planet...at yet you think that Putin and Russia, after 20 years, are going to rule the world and put us all to the sword?


Grow the fuck up man

This a massive strawman. He didn't say any of that.

neutral guy

I remember drunk Jelcin dance in Shanon airport.Does Russia was more democratic than with Putin now ? Or somebody forgot when drunk Jelcin in China said that world forgot that Russia has nuclear weapons !? But world loved Russia then because was getting everything from Russia for pennies when people in Russia was starving ! Thanks to Putin he ended this mess ! And thanks to Jelcin for sure who gave Putin power.Before talking about Russia remeber were this country was before Putin ! And how huge progress the Russia did since Jelcin gone !


You will never understand real life in Russia because you grew in different world were you was listening different propaganda and different songs.Same as you cant ubderstand how drink black tea without milk same you will never understand how is real life in Russia is.Before talking about Russia you have live there to see the difference between BBC propaganda and real life in Russia

Hangdogroad

ShatterAlan wrote: »

You DIDN'T ask me if I believed their explanation for being in Salisbury.


You (quote) asked "Do you believe these lads story?"


Well to follow on from that...why wouldn't I?


Salisbury is a historical tourist attraction with a famous cathedral. Do you think that Russian people would never visit a city that has historical relevance because, well, they're Russian and Russians are all bogeymen and bogeywomen. They could just have hopped on a train to go to Stratford-Upon-Avon, or York, or Chester, or Stonehenge, or the White Cliffs of Dover, or Beau Maris Castle. What's so unbelievable about that?

If one of them was apprehended on the grounds of Buckingham Palace with a high-velocity rifle, a backpack full of explosives, 10 passports, 20 grand in cash and detailed information about the Queen's schedule for the weekend and his excuse was that he was there to see the changing of the guard I'd be a bit more suspicious. But what's unbelievable about going to see a cathedral and a world famous clock?


I lived in Galway for a short time and one evening I got talking to a Russian guy in a pub. He was a complete train and railway nerd. His reason for being in Ireland was because he wanted to see the railway station in Mullingar which he exclaimed with unbridled delight that it was unique in that it had 3 platforms (arranged in a triangle as opposed to two tracks going in opposite directions). He sent me a calendar of Russian railway stations as a Christmas present when he got back home.


Was this guy some kind of spooky operative hell bent on casing out the Irish rail network on a campaign of sabotage or just a nice quy with an unusual hobby?


If, during his stay in Mullingar, some crime transpired and he was questioned would you immediately discount his reason for being there?


What terrible world of cloak-and-dagger, Reds under the bed, suspicion do you inhabit?

Was this Russian train nerd awarded a medal by Putin? Look lad I don't know if you're trolling or not but if you genuinely believe the nonsense you've been spouting throughout this thread them I feel sorry for you.

ShatterAlan

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

neither of those are true.

Then prove me wrong, ohnotgmail.


I'll give you a head start.



When did the Condor Legions from Germany bomb Guernica?

ShatterAlan

Hangdogroad wrote: »

Was this Russian train nerd awarded a medal by Putin? Look lad I don't know if you're trolling or not but if you genuinely believe the nonsense you've been spouting throughout this thread them I feel sorry for you.

Why would he be given a medal?


For what?

ohnonotgmail

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Then prove me wrong, ohnotgmail.


I'll give you a head start.



When did the Condor Legions from Germany bomb Guernica?

what does have to do with russia having the biggest airforce and navy in the world?

to answer on the actual topic i responded to

russia are a poor second when it comes to air power. in terms of both quality and quantity.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/aircraft-total.asp

and a poor third when it comes to their navy

https://www.readtopten.com/2020/03/Top-10-Most-Powerful-Navy-In-The-World-2020.html

ShatterAlan

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

This a massive strawman. He didn't say any of that.

A strawman?


"strawman arguments and the shabby term "whataboutery" " are the comfort and security of those whose hypocrisy has been laid bare.


The person's assertion was that Putin and Russia are poised to launch a new autocratic empire. And It's just not true. 15 years ago I had to listen to cretins like Netanyahu warning the world that Iran was on the brink of having "the bomb".....utter gibberish.


Rewind and look at the fool in 2005 demanding that Tehran be levelled and millions be killed.


It all reminds me of that excellent film "Born On The Fourth Of July".


You have Tom Cruise sitting in a diner eating fries and sucking down milkshakes with his mates. He's adamant that the commies are already on the doors of Puerto Rico and about to take over the country. One of his buddies simply says "I don't see it, I just don't see it".



Cruise goes over to Vietnam and comes back in a wheelchair without his testicles. And his mate was right.


So Vampire, with regards to Russia, do you see it? I don't.

imme

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Are you stating that the Russian government sent trained hooligans to France?

Did Westminster send theirs to fight the Russians?


I'm really trying to resist mentioning the CT forums.

On balance yes.

Westminster didn't send hooligans to the 2016 Euros.

Russian hooligans went looking to attack England fans not the other way round.

ShatterAlan

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what does have to do with russia having the biggest airforce and navy in the world?

to answer on the actual topic i responded to

russia are a poor second when it comes to air power. in terms of both quality and quantity.

https://www.globalfirepower.com/aircraft-total.asp

and a poor third when it comes to their navy

https://www.readtopten.com/2020/03/Top-10-Most-Powerful-Navy-In-The-World-2020.html

What does it have to do with anything?


Exactly.


If Russia has the military prowess to take over at least half the world.....10 times the size of the Wehrmacht who started their global march after 3 short years.....why hasn't Russia started taking over the planet (like so many on here claim is their goal) after 20 years?


Because the Russians don't have any interest in overruninng Europe much like you would like to think.


We are led to believe that Russia wants to gobble up the Baltics. More absolute bullshit


If they gave a toss about Latvia they could have taken the place in minutes...quicker than the Nazis took Denmark. It's a farce and you still fall for it.

imme

Going to see Salisbury Cathedral spire. :rolleyes: What nonsense.

They were sent to poison the Skripals anyone who thinks otherwise is blind or demented imo.

ShatterAlan

imme wrote: »

On balance yes.

Westminster didn't send hooligans to the 2016 Euros.

Russian hooligans went looking to attack England fans not the other way round.

Oh dear,


How un-cricket of them.


And how often do English thugs march across to Rome or Munich (singing 2 world wars and 1 world cup, Doo-dahh, doo-dah) before they wreck the place and glass up a few locals and trash the place? Or destroy Cagliari in 1990 or go hunting for Argentinians in 1998 in France?


Lovely bunch of lads who smashed up Lansdowne in 1995.



They do it because the French and the Spanish and the Italians are a soft touch with their genteel ways, their glasses of wine, terraces and coffees.


Then a mob of Russians come and kick the shit out of them and you're complaining?


You'd want this English mob of **** jailed for life if they fcuked up Brussels or Amsterdam but when a crew of hardasses from Russia hand their asses to them then you're all cock-a-hoop. Poor little Millwall boys.


The English didn't squeak in Russia in 2018. Not a peep out of the travelling "crews".


And FYI the Russians who beat the crap out of them in France were not even the real deal. They were rookies. Real Russian hooligans looked on from home and said "Their tactics were so amateurish"

ShatterAlan

imme wrote: »

Going to see Salisbury Cathedral spire. :rolleyes: What nonsense.

They were sent to poison the Skripals anyone who thinks otherwise is blind or demented imo.

And you have proof of all that right?


No...you don't. Not a shred. Just hearsay, and rumours and nonsense.


Nevermind that the Russian chem/bio program was verifiably dismantled in 2013 by the UN.


Nevermind that using a nerve agent to kill an enemy is one of the most useless ways to "off" someone.


Nevermind that the so called sample on the doorknob was reported as being "pure" despite being there for hours. Leave some butter out on your doorstep for a few hours and then tell me how pure it is.



Nevermind that the first person on the scene was the chief medical officer of the British Army.


Nevermind that this novichok was so toxic that it almost killed the Skripals but never harmed anyone else in contact with them..including their pets or others



Nevermind that some absolute crappy story about a homeless woman ingesting this hellish agent from a cigarette butt killed her....who tests all these cigarette butts? They're everywhere in St Stepehen's Green. So a homeless guy finds one, tries to light it...even though it's burnt down to the foam, can't get a hit and so then pisses off and dies somewhere and lo and behold the cause of his death is magically determined to be something on the butts swirling around the gutters amongst the beer cans, and litter and lollipop sticks.


GET THE FCUK OUTTA HEEEEEEEERE