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Russia - great bunch of lads!

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    It's kind of funny how people love to knock Russia.

    My sister in law lived there during the Soviet Union era and ironically she was never hungry,cold or lacked nice clothes or an education. Medication was easily acquired.
    Shops were always full and she seen those propaganda video's and clips from the 80's honed in on the shop fronts and writing on flicks, it wasn't even the Russian language FFS lol it was somewhere else.
    Now I know people will say that those were probably satellite state's of the Union and lambast me with their knowledge of the history behind the iron curtain...
    They also had access to transport and hop on a train and go anywhere, every country had their faults

    Ireland wasn't exactly the bastion of the western world up until the late 80's.
    A lot of us were without basic heated houses, back boiler's were only for the privelaged.
    Many only had an open fire, and there was frequent electrical outages, especially in the Kerry and West Limerick area.
    Tarbert could shut down at anytime not sure was it an engineering problem or the coal was arriving at the terminal late.

    I lived in Edinburgh in the 90's and a lot of people didn't know that the South was safe enough from the trouble's in the north.

    Friends of mine from the middle east a few Iraq'is my own age in their mid 40's thought the whole of Ireland was at war for years and was peppered with riots and petrol bombings.
    Same as the Lebonese they thought similarly.

    Russia is absolutely amazing, I'm going to get the trans Siberian express from Moscow down in a few years and I can't wait :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Life seems to be cheap there, there's always fires in old folks homes and crashes in domestic flights with huge loss of life but they never seem to bother with anything resembling health and safety.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭ParkRunner


    I lived there for three and a half years and had a great time. There’s a lot less anti social behaviour there as the police are respected. People are noticeably slimmer and take care of themselves, apart from those who live on the bottle. The public transport runs through the worst of weather and the parks are wonderful in any season. The Russian people are hard working friendly people from my experience. Yes there are bad aspects but I feel a lot less safe walking down a street in Dublin compared to Moscow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭glen123


    nthclare wrote: »
    It's kind of funny how people love to knock Russia.

    My sister in law lived there during the Soviet Union era and ironically she was never hungry,cold or lacked nice clothes or an education. Medication was easily acquired.
    Shops were always full and she seen those propaganda video's and clips from the 80's honed in on the shop fronts and writing on flicks, it wasn't even the Russian language FFS lol it was somewhere else.
    Now I know people will say that those were probably satellite state's of the Union and lambast me with their knowledge of the history behind the iron curtain...
    They also had access to transport and hop on a train and go anywhere, every country had their faults

    Ireland wasn't exactly the bastion of the western world up until the late 80's.
    A lot of us were without basic heated houses, back boiler's were only for the privelaged.
    Many only had an open fire, and there was frequent electrical outages, especially in the Kerry and West Limerick area.
    Tarbert could shut down at anytime not sure was it an engineering problem or the coal was arriving at the terminal late.

    I lived in Edinburgh in the 90's and a lot of people didn't know that the South was safe enough from the trouble's in the north.

    Friends of mine from the middle east a few Iraq'is my own age in their mid 40's thought the whole of Ireland was at war for years and was peppered with riots and petrol bombings.
    Same as the Lebonese they thought similarly.

    Russia is absolutely amazing, I'm going to get the trans Siberian express from Moscow down in a few years and I can't wait :)
    The availability of things did depend on the exact location.
    For example, in the capitals of all 15 republics you could pretty much get anything, especially in Moscow. They had special shops where you could buy things using foreign currency (it's just the currency itself was hard to get and illegal to exchange)
    In other cities the shelves in the shops were emptier. Towns and villages - another different story.
    Either way, empty shelves and queues - this was 80s, nearer the end of the USSR's existence.
    Another deciding factor of who remembers what how things were in the Soviet Union times is the family background. If one had came from a family of military servants or doctors (not your average factory worker), they would have lived a nice comfortable life with access to pretty much anything because of all the connections. Kids who grew up in such families certainly wouldn't remember qs in the shops to get toilet paper because their parents never needed to queue for anything))

    But overall, I agree, especially before Brezhnev's death quality of life in USSR was pretty decent, there were opportunities, many well known politicians etc came from very poor backgrounds.

    And yes, if you have money and you want to travel, Russia is amazing all right. If you were to live there and work (again depends on the profession or lack of it), it's a completely different story, which is probably true for any country really.

    P.S. - only 20 years ago many people in Eastern Europe had no idea about Republic of Ireland as all they saw in the news was Northern Ireland and everything that went on there. This is what the Republic was associated with indeed until very recently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Darren Fay wrote: »
    Got a friend there and he loves it. He's living in what appears to be some kind of massive housing estate and yet there's no drug dealers, no 'ethnic' gangs. People are normal and friendly.

    If you lived in the equivalent in London or Paris or Malmo you'd be murdered.

    And Putin might be an asshole but at least he's honest about it unlike sacks of shyte like Merkel.
    Putin? Honest? Maybe he'll come clean about how he became so wealthy then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,603 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    Darren Fay wrote: »
    Got a friend there and he loves it. He's living in what appears to be some kind of massive housing estate and yet there's no drug dealers, no 'ethnic' gangs. People are normal and friendly.

    If you lived in the equivalent in London or Paris or Malmo you'd be murdered.

    And Putin might be an asshole but at least he's honest about it unlike sacks of shyte like Merkel.
    What has the great Angela Merkel ever done for or against you that makes you think of her like that.? She is an amazing and very kind Woman who grew up in an average family behind the iron curtain in the West of Germany and since then she has done amazing things. If all political leaders were more like her and especially the current American one then the World would be in a much better place than it currently is.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    I think the Russians like to project an image of success and being in control when that might not necessarily be the case.

    The propaganda fools a fair amount of people, though. Even recently, some guy fell for it and felt the need to post about how awesome Putin and Russia are.

    I'll see if I can find the thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Look how well it worked for Cuba when the Russians ran out of money.


    Cuba would be just fine if America wasn't illegally blockading the place in a massive display of sour grapes and pettiness. But that's America for you. Shower of sore losers and bitches.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    AMKC wrote: »
    OP I hope and take it you are taking the piss. Who in there sane right mind would want a dictator and crinimal like V Putin to run or be in charge of there country. I take you have either never heard of or have forgotten about the spies the Putin had killed in Britain by poison or radiation. He also does that across Europe too and gets away with it. Is that the kind of Country you would like to live in where he could have you or a family member killed just like that and there is nothing you could do to stop it?
    Hell the Russians don't even want it now but because of the way he holds power are unfortunatly powerless to stop the dictator.


    What a load of bollocks. I have many friends living in Moscow and what you are talking is utter sh1t.
    Ans which spies has Putin killed in England? Names and proof please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,977 ✭✭✭growleaves


    coolbeans wrote: »
    The population is also falling so Russians don't even believe in their own country despite all the jingoistic rhetoric that comes out of the place.

    By that criterion, Western political liberals don't believe in the societies they have insisted on creating.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,603 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    What a load of bollocks. I have many friends living in Moscow and what you are talking is utter sh1t.
    Ans which spies has Putin killed in England? Names and proof please.

    There was the one he had poisoned with radiation and then there was the ones he targeted but missed with Novichok at Salsbery but ended up killing a UK citizen instead.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    The one thing I've noticed about online accounts & posts that talk lyrically about the virtues of Putin or modern day Russia compared to the "decadent" west and its values, is that almost none of them talk about actually wanting to move to Russia and live within its society.


    There's the language barrier.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    coolbeans wrote: »
    Great place, pity it's a journalist murdering kleptocracy where alcoholism is rampant and corruption is endemic. It's also the largest country in the world yet has an economic output right on par with Italy, a country 57 times smaller. The population is also falling so Russians don't even believe in their own country despite all the jingoistic rhetoric that comes out of the place. All these Russia lovers wouldn't last too long out there I'd say.




    What you describe is the polar opposite to what I witnessed for a month there during the World Cup.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    1990sman wrote: »
    most croatians lack sense of humour actually. i know from working experience.

    You do realise that Croatia was never part of the Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact?

    It was part of Yugoslavia, a neutral country, like Ireland. Except they were terrified of Russian dictators invading and slaughtering them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    I love how people think Russians are all one way.

    Also, why the suspicion about Russia and the vaccine? It's been 6 months and every bit of effort has gone into finding one, why do people scoff that a country with a huge population with a long history of science, might be the first one to discover and release it. Nobody would be scoffing at it if it was the USA, yet they have a literal imbecile as president? But those Russians, oh god no, we won't trust them.


    Because people have bought into the anti-Russian propaganda and refuse to either admit that they may have been fooled or that anything churned out by the propaganda machine that they so readily swallow could actually be a bunch of nonsense.
    They can't think for themselves so they need the waffle machine to think for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    I think the Russians like to project an image of success and being in control when that might not necessarily be the case.


    Every satellite and every astronaut (americans included) that are sent into space get there via the propulsion of a Russian rocket engine. I think the Russkis are probably quite handy at the old science and engineering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    Because people have bought into the anti-Russian propaganda and refuse to either admit that they may have been fooled or that anything churned out by the propaganda machine that they so readily swallow could actually be a bunch of nonsense.
    They can't think for themselves so they need the waffle machine to think for them.

    It's not "propaganda".

    In the brief history of the Soviet Union: millions were slaughtered by their own government; the entire population was kept in abject poverty; the entire population was oppressed via secret police and a policy of killing/torturing anyone who doesn't toe the line; any "deviants" (i.e. minorities) were violently suppressed; invaded and supported wars around the world resulting in countless suffering; half of Europe was invaded and ruthlessly oppressed for 45 years (and they very much wanted the other half); they kept the world on the brink of complete annihilation and they ultimately collapsed as they couldn't even afford bread for the people.

    ...and the "dictator for life" Putin is trying his best to recreate it.

    So no, I don't get a boner when I think of Russia/USSR/Putin, nor do I think it is "propaganda" to plainly state the relevant truth.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    AMKC wrote: »
    There was the one he had poisoned with radiation and then there was the ones he targeted but missed with Novichok at Salsbery but ended up killing a UK citizen instead.


    And you have proof, do you?


    Scotland Yard don't even have proof of any of it and freely admit to that fact. Doesn't stop the likes of liars like BoJo and Theresa May fooling you with weasel words such as "our anonymous sources confirm that it was most likely a Russian attack"


    and that is enough to con you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    They aren't big into multiculturalism which helps keep the main cities safer than the likes of London or Paris.


    Oh here we go. Crime is multicultural now is it?


    In the 80's crime was rampant in Dublin, assaults, muggings, car theft, burglary, drugs and yet you could walk the length and breadth of the place and scarcely encounter a non-white.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    dotsman wrote: »
    You do realise that Croatia was never part of the Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact?

    It was part of Yugoslavia, a neutral country, like Ireland. Except they were terrified of Russian dictators invading and slaughtering them.


    Yugoslavia was a natural Russian ally. That's why NATO attacked and smashed the place to pieces.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    And you have proof, do you?


    Scotland Yard don't even have proof of any of it and freely admit to that fact. Doesn't stop the likes of liars like BoJo and Theresa May fooling you with weasel words such as "our anonymous sources confirm that it was most likely a Russian attack"


    and that is enough to con you.

    Do you believe these two lads story?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,176 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    As much as I'd distrust the Russians I'd take them over the bl@#dy Chinese any day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    dotsman wrote: »
    It's not "propaganda".

    In the brief history of the Soviet Union: millions were slaughtered by their own government; the entire population was kept in abject poverty; the entire population was oppressed via secret police and a policy of killing/torturing anyone who doesn't toe the line; any "deviants" (i.e. minorities) were violently suppressed; invaded and supported wars around the world resulting in countless suffering; half of Europe was invaded and ruthlessly oppressed for 45 years (and they very much wanted the other half); they kept the world on the brink of complete annihilation and they ultimately collapsed as they couldn't even afford bread for the people.

    ...and the "dictator for life" Putin is trying his best to recreate it.

    So no, I don't get a boner when I think of Russia/USSR/Putin, nor do I think it is "propaganda" to plainly state the relevant truth.


    It IS propaganda and you've fallen for it.


    I'm not talking about Stalin's purges or the gulags. We're talking about Russia here. And Putin is NOT trying to recreate a Soviet Socialist empire. Don't be so childish. That is the kind of nonsense that is spewed out in Western media circles to demonise Russia and terrify gullible people like you. The Eurasian Land mass is the holy grail for those on the periphery who want to control the world, countries like the US and it's EU and Japanese lapdogs.
    Putin was instrumental in bringing down the USSR and yet here you are crashing into your contradictions by absurdly stating that he's trying to re-establish it.


    I have a simple exercise for you. Whenever western powers express the need to defend themselves from a certain country or threat from that country, that literally translates into "we want to take over and control that country for its strategic importance and resources"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,913 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Every satellite and every astronaut (americans included) that are sent into space get there via the propulsion of a Russian rocket engine.

    That's complete bullsh!t.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    Do you believe these two lads story?





    You see?
    I asked you if you had proof and you resort to nothing more than peddling propaganda.


    In case it's skipped your attention it's not up to those two guys to prove their innocence it's up to you to PROVE their guilt and you can't do that.


    But it doesn't matter. the damage is done and you've been suckered and that was the object of the exercise all along so it was successful. 2 years on and not a word from Skripal or his daughter. They just vanished into thin air. No interviews no nothing. We don't even know it they ever existed or if they are now dead having been bumped off because they've outlived their purpose and we can't risk having them talk and expose the truth about the case.


    So it doesn't matter, you and many people like you just blindly swallowed this joke of a story and now have a very negative view of Russia in general and Putin in particular and that was the goal all along. To poison not the Skripals but to poison your opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    What you describe is the polar opposite to what I witnessed for a month there during the World Cup.

    The World Cup is not representative of Russia and you can be sure that everything was stage managed. Regarding Yugoslavia they were not allies and Tito stood aloof and apart from the USSR for pretty much the entire Cold War. The Soviets tried to assassinate Tito several times but gave up in the end. The Serbs, hailing from a constituent state within Yugoslavia, had a natural affinity with the Russians but it hasn't counted for much for nearly a century after the Russians backed them against Imperial Germany. Counted for bugger all when NATO bombed the joint.
    All that said I like Russia and the people are wonderful if you know then but don't be deluded based on a world cup trip. Don't be gay either, or black. They don't approve.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,881 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    You see?
    I asked you if you had proof and you resort to nothing more than peddling propaganda.


    In case it's skipped your attention it's not up to those two guys to prove their innocence it's up to you to PROVE their guilt and you can't do that.


    But it doesn't matter. the damage is done and you've been suckered and that was the object of the exercise all along so it was successful. 2 years on and not a word from Skripal or his daughter. They just vanished into thin air. No interviews no nothing. We don't even know it they ever existed or if they are now dead having been bumped off because they've outlived their purpose and we can't risk having them talk and expose the truth about the case.


    So it doesn't matter, you and many people like you just blindly swallowed this joke of a story and now have a very negative view of Russia in general and Putin in particular and that was the goal all along. To poison not the Skripals but to poison your opinion.

    while it is reasonable to maintain a healthy skepticism to suggest that they didnt exist at all is nonsense straight from the CT forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    coolbeans wrote: »
    The World Cup is not representative of Russia and you can be sure that everything was stage managed. Regarding Yugoslavia they were not allies and Tito stood aloof and apart from the USSR for pretty much the entire Cold War. The Soviets tried to assassinate Tito several times but gave up in the end. The Serbs, hailing from a constituent state within Yugoslavia, had a natural affinity with the Russians but it hasn't counted for much for nearly a century after the Russians backed them against Imperial Germany. Counted for bugger all when NATO bombed the joint.
    All that said I like Russia and the people are wonderful if you know but don't be deluded based on a world cup trip. Don't be gay either, or black. They don't approve.


    I travelled all over when I wasn't watching matches.
    I visited towns, villages and cities that were hundreds of miles away from the football centres.
    Are you trying to say that the whole country was pimped out for a month and then dismantled? That's some feat. The whole country is one big Potemkin village.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,384 ✭✭✭Duffy the Vampire Slayer


    dotsman wrote: »
    You do realise that Croatia was never part of the Soviet Union/Warsaw Pact?

    It was part of Yugoslavia, a neutral country, like Ireland. Except they were terrified of Russian dictators invading and slaughtering them.

    I'm glad somebody pointed this out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,807 ✭✭✭ShatterAlan


    while it is reasonable to maintain a healthy skepticism to suggest that they didnt exist at all is nonsense straight from the CT forum.


    The time-honoured and shabby trick of trying to shut down debate by screaming "CT".


    The Gulf of Tonkin incident never happened, did it?
    If governments can make up a military attack they can certainly make up people to serve their agenda.


    Do you know for a fact that they existed? Granted it would be a risky proposal to put up pictures of the so-called Skripals only to have the real people in the pictures come out screaming that they are Joe and Jill Bloggs.


    The Skripals probably do/did exist. I've never seen them, never heard them being interviewed. Their house has been destroyed. I've never heard any of their neighbours talk about them. That doesn't prove that they don't exist, however


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