Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

seamus

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117651258#Comment_117651258

It's a fake account. Also sharing nonsense from anti-vaxxers about the dangers of masks, claiming A&Es are full of suicidal and depressed people.

Possibly someone who works in a hospital, but overall a complete spoofer.

FishOnABike

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117650258#Comment_117650258

It would only be effective in conjunction with a fairly strict lockdown.

Our vaccine supply is mostly one of the two dose mRNA vaccines. Even ifyou could give everyone their first shot within a week it would be seven weeks before everyone is vaccinated. Allow for those who test positive during the vaccination schedule having to wait and there could be a long tail that extends the plan well beyond seven weeks.

landofthetree

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117648007#Comment_117648007

https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1418567995434180616

seamus

@landofthetree wrote

As I predicted. They wont fully open up till 12-16 year olds are vaccinated. Then they will say we need to vaccinate 2-11 year olds. Then it will be the vulnerable who need a third jab. Then it will be everyone who needs it etc.

If that's the case, then what's the goal here? Endless lockdowns? For what purpose?

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117652214#Comment_117652214

It was "Just another 20 weeks" before. Now "Another few weeks".

Sounds like a person with no desire to get back to normal.

Relax brah

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117649849#Comment_117649849

I suppose the earth is flat aswell right?

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117652347#Comment_117652347

Nobody knows because we have no leaders telling us what the actual plan is. It is just always a bunch of negative soundbites.

Its looking more and more like no normality in 2021 though.

Widdensushi

If the UK numbers stay low then surely we will be back to full capacity sports events etc soon, I thought after the euros their numbers would get to the hundreds of thousands a day but they leveled off, so far opening up has been a success for them.

gral6

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117652529#Comment_117652529

Not a chance we'll ever be back to full capacity sports events or concerts. It is a shame but to attend these we'll have to go to the UK

landofthetree

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117652564#Comment_117652564

We will have to go to the UK to randomly walk into a cafe to have a cup of tea never mind a concert.

jhegarty

Another drop in the uk today.

Starting to look good for them

corkie

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1418602553764352010

As of midnight, Thursday 22nd July, we are reporting

1,386* confirmed cases of #COVID19.

22 in ICU. 106 in hospital.

*Daily case numbers may change due to future data review, validation and update

Hospital figures on the rise again?

Oranage2

It honestly feels like the situation just before the lockdown

giveitholly

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117652884#Comment_117652884

What lockdown is this?

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117650306#Comment_117650306

It also worked in China pre-vaccine days but this level of restrictions is not possible with large and interconnected population centres.

Doctor Jimbob

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117652511#Comment_117652511

That’s a conspiracy theory and definitely won’t happen. Just like this summer wasn’t going to be more restricted than last year and vaccines were going to get us out of this. We just have to trust our government who can’t even get a website name right and everything will be grand.

In fairness I don’t think there’s anything sinister going on, we just have leaders who couldn’t plan their way out of an empty car park.

hatrickpatrick

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117649845#Comment_117649845

Essentially, Claire Byrne ran at least four live role play sketches complete with mock-up settings for pod-based pubs and hairdressers respectively, Electric Picnic style festivals with each person inside a giant plastic zorb-like hamster ball, and Christmas dinner with minimal physical contact or social mixing between branches of extended families. Each of these was presented as a neutral "this is how the scientists are saying we can live safely for the indefinite future" news report and a bit of craic - and I must emphasise that this was not in the context of living within pandemic restrictions, but that horrible, soul crushing concept of "the new normal" as if this is just it for the rest of our lives. The key issue here is that they were presented vaguely and neutrally as "best advice from some top scientists", not as packaged propaganda from a privately funded lobby group with absolutely no connection whatsoever to the government or any sort of official body.

This isn't the particularly dystopian aspect though. The dystopian aspect is that ISAG were at this time privately admitting to, and encouraging eachother to continue, intentionally hyping-up this horrific "new normal" with the express intention of causing the general public to lose their minds with fear and anxiety, drum up anger at the lack of an alternative, and ultimately cajole people into lobbying the government to adopt the ISAG-favoured "Zero COVID" approach. It was never about how they actually felt life would be after the pandemic, and it was never about public safety. It was literally, in black and white, about manipulating peoples' emotions to provoke a political response - quite literally, "let's show people a future so horrifically depressing that they get upset enough to demand a policy U-turn from the government in order to avoid it". An all stick and no carrot approach to social engineering, essentially.

Now we can debate the ethics of lobby groups engaging in this kind of sh!te all day long, everyone knows that propaganda is rife in Irish politics and indeed in worldwide politics generally. And we certainly don't have to look very far to see other examples of lobby groups who are given absolutely incredible amounts of air time in the media and have exceptional influence on government policy. But in this case, in my view, RTE crossed a line. Maybe it's not the first time they've crossed this line, but it's the first time we have written evidence pointing towards it - they literally colluded with a lobby group and gave them a direct platform from which to spew their propaganda, and they didn't clearly label these segments as having been written not by RTE's journalists, but by this private lobby group.

In effect, they gave ISAG the cover of the respectable, nationally trusted on a wide scale, semi-publicly funded broadcaster RTE. They took content written by a private lobby group and presented it as original in-house content, not disclosing to the public that these segments were privately produced propaganda and not merely the result of work by the journalists working for the program. They also, as I have previously mentioned, referred to ISAG as if it was some kind of official body as opposed to clearly stating that it is a private pressure group with a hifalutin name, just like Iona, and nothing more.

This, in my view, is a massive betrayal of public trust, of the people who pay RTE's license fee, and more generally of the sacrosanct principles of journalistic ethics, ethics which we should be demanding that our national broadcaster adhere to without even the slightest hint of any exceptions.

As I mentioned previously, it does beg the question - just how many other well-produced segments for RTE current affairs debates were dreamed up by the marketing departments of private lobby groups, and not the journalists for whom the public has a lot of respect, and would have been easily misled into thinking were the actual authors?

This kind of carry on simply cannot be tolerated. If it is, we may as well formally declare that public service broadcasting in Ireland is over, and consign RTE to the same category of agenda driven propaganda as the likes of Fox or CNN. Which would be an utterly depressing development in the history of this Republic, IMO.

gral6

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117652884#Comment_117652884

Sure, we need to lockdown hard till all the children are vaccinated!

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117652853#Comment_117652853

They are still at 100 +/- 10 and ICU at about 20.

hatrickpatrick

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117649849#Comment_117649849

They're both private lobby groups with an agenda who are on the record as using manipulative tactics to influence public opinion in the direction they want. Do you think it's ok for a public service broadcaster to give either one any kind of official, neutral, "news" platform without clearly informing the public as to who the content was written by and what agenda it represents?

FreeOSCAR

England is a bit of a basket case but we need to look at Scotland (around two weeks now), NI and Wales (the past 3/4 days) where cases have started to come down.

Here where we have tighter controls over indoor dining and rapidly accelerating vaccine rollout, why will the situation be any worse?

It might end up being better and we won't hit the numbers Scotland did with cases, hospitalisations or ICU admissions in this wave.

No way this wave sends us back into lockdown.

Lucas Hood

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117652909#Comment_117652909

We'll probably see 120/130 in hospital over the weekend but drop back to 90ish come Monday evening.

We'll still see news stories about Hospitalisations on the rise again though.

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117652929#Comment_117652929

The further along the vaccination path we go, the more the risk of this projected surge subsides.

Vicxas

So happy to see politicians finally admit that the link between cases and ICU is finally broken.

Bit of common sense prevails

eternalblame

I got sick a couple of days after getting second Pfizer jab. Thought it was just a bad reaction to the vaccine. Tested positive for Covid a few days after that. Obviously I picked up the virus in between vaccines. Wasnt a pleasant experiece either, so, be careful out there...

hatrickpatrick

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117652897#Comment_117652897

"Never attribute to malice, that which is adequately explained by stupidity".

I do think there's a caveat in this case though. There's a serious feeling that preventing young people from socialising and in all probability binge drinking while doing so is seen as "killing two birds with one stone", maybe not even by the government but certainly by some members of NPHET and I would wager some officials within the department of health.

To go galaxy brained for a moment, minimum alcohol pricing is coming in this December - wouldn't it just be wonderful if we could keep nightclubs, raves and concerts off the agenda until after that, so that broke college kids never get the opportunity to be noisy and rowdy at night cough I mean, damage their health in this way ever again?

Again, I'm not saying that this is necessarily the case, but it's a real possibility which shouldn't be discounted. These people have always despised Ireland's session culture and at the very, very least, forcefully killing it like this is surely something they see as a happy coincidence.

TefalBrain

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117652884#Comment_117652884

It doesn't, not even slightly.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117652904#Comment_117652904

if you want a parallel scenario with ISAG et al. Have a look at east Anglia and Climategate. Actual scientist in charge of the climate crisis caught lovely sending emails which state that data in their modelling actually shows climate cooling, it was tree rings for the uninitiated. This is the kind of shyte that caused them to be investigated and they described hiding this evidence as a "trick" to push their agenda. After a leveson type enquiry, they got off scot free. why?? because many had huge interest financially in wind farms...they conspired to discredit and attack respectable scientists who carried the counter points of view..the same is happening here..radicals hijacking a crisis for their own ends. Backed up my media who in turn have their agenda to set, follow and complete.

as for the media, look at their role in carrying Andrew Wakefield as the messiah of the anti vax movement...They have a huge role to play in everything like this, what were are living now. have a lookin their role in the UK MRSA clusterfuck..

final fact, 750 to 1 million people die from malaria a year, it could be more...why don't big pharma tackle it?? because it's a developing country issue and those countries have no money..the pharma industry cater for 10% of the world health burden, the western world is where the statins, antidepressants , pain killers etc are all consumed....they're making money on this don't you believe otherwise.

gipi

Two pub/restaurants in my town, currently open for outdoor drinking and dining have announced that they won't be opening for indoor service next week.

They both acknowledge that they are lucky to have outdoor space,but have decided that they won't open until everyone can enter.

stephenjmcd

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117653709#Comment_117653709

Each business can decide for themselves what they want to do, plenty will probably open but those that don't open I do wonder what they plan on doing when the weather turns & we aren't getting this weather it's not suitable for outdoor dining, the stance I suspect will change quite quickly. Likewise if this does continue until the 3 months of legislation are up, outdoor dining in September & October won't be suitable quite possibly. Their hand might be forced on it.

Others simply have to open to have any sort of business to come back to, they've been closed 17 months