Would you be happy for your children to receive covid-19 vaccine

JDxtra

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632616#Comment_117632616

We can't get to the point where we are doing things purely to prevent something which may or may not happen. Let's deal with variants as and when they arise. Only 13% of the world is currently fully vaccinated - so plenty more adults out there to focus on first.

Del Griffith

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632564#Comment_117632564

Yes totally fine with it.

The teachers will be vaccinated, the kids aren't at any risk, if there are at-risk-category kids I expect they will be vaccinated. So what exactly is the issue?

Remember "living with covid" ? We are now suggesting that the world be scared to interact because of a virus that will do no harm to anyone.

is_that_so

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632440#Comment_117632440

The FDA don't regulate what we do. Only two countries so far are pushing ahead with the vaccination of children. All the rest are undecided. Any talk that has emerged is about 12-15 year olds.

Deeec

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632716#Comment_117632716

I agree with everything your said here Del. My worry is the teachers unions wont agree with us though and will push for remote learning if kids are not vaccinated.

astrofool

The science says yes.

The vaccines are approved (those saying to the contrary have spent too long on the anti-vax facebook pages).

The WHO wants those at risk vaccinated before children, but they want everybody vaccinated.

If the virus becomes endemic (likely) then they'll all get it, having a bad dose of COVID will be much more likely than a rare side effect from a vaccine that most of the population have already had.

Children already get lots of vaccines within days of being born.

The vaccines are unequivocally, undeniably safe, if you're saying otherwise, you have an agenda or you're misinformed by someone with an agenda.

Deeec

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632796#Comment_117632796

We simply dont know yet if the vaccines are safe for growing children. Side affects can show up long after the vaccine is given - its often years after this is discovered. Personally I dont think pregnant women should be given the vaccine either.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632241#Comment_117632241

So they were right - it wasn't emergency approval.

CMA is the standard approach for approval for an unmet medical need

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632814#Comment_117632814

Would love to know what vaccines have had side effects show up years after its given?

Deeec

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632868#Comment_117632868

There were court cases regarding the swine flu jab and to the HPV jab. Most vaccines are trialed for years - this hasnt been the case with the covid vaccines. Im happy to risk it myself but not for my young growing children.

Just out of interest would you take the vaccine if you were pregnant?

Unicorn Milk Latte

The current situation is that there is still an ongoing pandemic, a highly infectious virus, with new data coming out that predict that between 10% and 30% of all people that catch Covid - including kids - will become chronically ill with long Covid.

So the choice is not between getting kids vaccinated and not vaccinated without consequences. The choice is between kids getting vaccinated, and other, non-pharmaceutical measures for kids to reduce the spread - meaning frequent testing, learning from home, masks, distancing, etc.

It's important to have freedom of choice, but the things to choose from need to be based in reality.

spaceHopper

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632796#Comment_117632796

That's not true anybody who says that vaccines are 100 percent safe isn't looking at the science, we've had narcolepsy destroying lives of your people due to the swine flu vaccine. We've had blood clots causing long term damage and deaths with the AZ vaccine and possible heart inflammation in Israel due to Pfizer vaccine.

All vaccines come with a risk it could be 1 in 300 million or it could be 1 in 30000 but it's still a risk. It could be a minor side affect or life changing. The question is the risk if the illness gather than the risk of the vaccine

revelman

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https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632554#Comment_117632554

Thanks, but your previous clarification mentioned, yet again saying these vaccines are approved, when in actual fact they are not.

Yes, they are being "fast-tracked" and monitored within the conditional marketing authorisation process. Last I checked only Pfizer has applied for actual approval as yet (early May), which may be given around the end of 2022.

Should details like this not be transparent to parents? Particularly when deciding whether to have their children receive one of these vaccines. When we now know, statistically a teenager has more chance of dying from a lightning strike than this virus.

Marty Bird

Nope not a chance our children will be getting it, as the science has always said the virus its very low low risk to children.

TaurenDruid

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631285#Comment_117631285

You might not be saying that if you were 84, or 83, or if you'd loved ones around that age. 🙄

TaurenDruid

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117631693#Comment_117631693

Weird logic. He was "right" in one case about one poor individual. Every vaccine has side effects. Every medicine has side effects. Everything we ingest has side effects. The bag of peanuts I knock back might kill someone with a severe nut allergy. Y'know the way old people have this little crater on their arm, and young people don't? It's cos we wiped out smallpox to such an extent, with vaccines, that we don't need to vaccinate for it anymore.

As to vaccinating kids - I'm not an epidemiologist, but the logic of getting as many adults as possible vaccinated, worldwide, before moving on to children, who seem to get much milder symptoms, would seem to be sound.

Edit: reposted below to include quote.

Lumen

@Deeec wrote

Personally I dont think pregnant women should be given the vaccine either.

Just out of interest would you take the vaccine if you were pregnant?

I would follow the advice of my GP, which would probably be to get vaccinated, since the immunity is passed from mother to baby, and Covid is particularly nasty for newborns (compared to other ages).

What are your sources for concern, specifically?

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632916#Comment_117632916

Issues relating the Pandemrix vaccine were detected within 1-2 months of a far less widespread vaccination programme.

No link has been found between HPV vaccine and any serious adverse effects.

If I were to find myself pregnant I would have far more pressing questions than should I take a proven safe and effective vaccine

@JDxtra

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632676#Comment_117632676

Reposted to include quote.

@JDxtra "We can't get to the point where we are doing things purely to prevent something which may or may not happen".

If we're not trying to prevent something, then why are we vaccinating anyone, at all?

Let's deal with the variants as and when they arise.

By that stage, it could be too late. How would you feel if the next variant that emerges is one that kills children and teens as quickly and easily as the elderly?

Prevention is better than cure.

Anyone that doesn't have a medical reason not to be vaccinated, should be vaccinated.

In the end, the decision may have to be taken out of individual's hands, for the sake of all.

Former Former Former

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633065#Comment_117633065

You are referring to the USA's emergency authorisation scheme. This is Europe.

Deeec

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633200#Comment_117633200

I dont think it is a good idea giving a vacinne to a mother when a baby is forming and growing in her womb. We do not how the vaccine could affect a baby. In the 60's mothers experiencing morning sickness was prescribed thalydomide and many gave birth to babies with deformities - Im sure they were also told it was safe. How anyone can say this vaccine is proven as safe is beyond me.

If I was pregnant I would prefer to minimise my contacts with other people and stay at home rather than take the vaccine during pregnancy.

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633312#Comment_117633312

The whole system of drug approval was developed largely because of thalidomide and a couple of similar issues. It is not 1960 anymore. But by all means completely misrepresent the risk.

Deeec

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633202#Comment_117633202

How are the vaccines proven as safe? They havent been around long enough to be proven safe. They were rushed through trials and we had the pharma companies competing to be the first to come up with a vaccine - which isnt a good combination.

If the vaccine are proven safe then why havent they been approved for children?

yourdeadwright

No chance

I got the vaccine , it was my choice but not a choice i'm willing to make for my children when we have been repeatedly told they are not at risk fro Covid ,

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633345#Comment_117633345

They weren't rushed through trials. Trials were completed quickly due to the large number of available test subjects because of the prevalence of the virus. The end point of a phase III clinical trial for a vaccine is not a time point but the reaching of a required level of exposure in the trial population. This is when an overall rate of cases within the trial group is reached. The rates of virus in the placebo and vaccine cohorts are then compared to establish efficacy. They have not been approved for children as the initial trials focused on adult age groups. When the data is available to support approval in children it will happen.

And as a matter of fact, most of the development work was completed for MERS and SARS but they ran out of test subjects due to the low virus prevalence. When SARS-CoV2 came along they had a significant head start.

yourdeadwright

The problem with anti-vaxxers are that they search for any story in the millions of people to base there stance on stories of 1 or 2 in millions ,

Iv a friend who can't have protein in there diet or they would end up brain damaged its called PKU 1 -in 20 thousand suffer from it but yet nobody is running scared of protein are they ,

As a society we can't liver our life's on the bases of 1 or 2 in a million ,

ceadaoin.

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I'm glad to see so many people here using their common sense and not being willing to get their kids vaccinated. It's extremely unethical to subject children to a vaccine that is more dangerous to them than the virus it supposedly protects against. According to the CDCs own stats, a million adolescent vaccinations will stop one death from covid but cause 50-69 cases of myocarditis (way above the normal expected rate), which is no joke. interestingly they don't go in to how many of those can expect to die within 5/10 years as a result (its something like 20%) and many more could need a transplant. They are downplaying the risk big-time. Considering their own data (attached) shows the numbers are much higher.

How selfish that some adults are trying to push this on kids to make themselves feel safer

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633351#Comment_117633351

The risks of the vaccine in children are likely to be significantly lower than the risk of covid, even if it is low. Getting the vaccine is the simplest way for children to train their immune system to deal with this virus should they catch it when older and at greater risk. The other way is to actually catch the virus, and as low as the risks to children are, the rate of adverse events will be higher with the virus than with the vaccine. If it not, it wont be approved.

Darc19

No vaccine is 100% safe, but also

Driving a car is not 100% safe

Crossing a road is not 100% safe

Walking down a stairs is not 100%

Climbing a ladder is not 100% safe

We do these things daily without a thought because our experience tells us that with reasonable care, all these things are relatively safe.

Due to the amount of attention on Covid vaccines, immunologists have taken extreme care to test them as much as possible. So for me (if I had kids under 18), once the vaccine is approved, I'd have no issue whatsoever

sekiro

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117632796#Comment_117632796

Eh, didn't some countries, like Denmark, stop giving people the AZ vaccine and when they started back only give it to specific age groups?

Must be some reason why they did that with that unequivocally and undeniably safe vaccine.

What's the Danish agenda there?

Mrs OBumble

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633323#Comment_117633323

So tell me how I managed to take Vioxx for a few years, before I was withdrawn from the market for being dangerous?

Deeec

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633387#Comment_117633387

Exactly you say yourself trials were completed quickly so how does this prove that the vaccine wont harm an unborn baby or a growing child. How do they know that a child born now wont have issues 2 years down the line due to the fact that their mother received the vaccine while pregnant - truth is they dont know!

Im not an anti vaxxer - all my kids got all their vaccines but all their vaccines went through rigorous trials and were years in existance at that stage. I just dont think its worth the risk giving it to kids at this stage.

Multipass

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633388#Comment_117633388

The exact same can be said of Covid, extremely rare stories of kids getting sick are being used to push the vaccine.

TaurenDruid

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633454#Comment_117633454

An over-abundance of caution, when other alternative vaccines were available. The vaccines are safe; one had a slightly elevated risk of blood clotting, I understand - less than the risk of blood clotting that arises from other conditions, such as, e.g., pregnancy.

ms_wobbly

I am not anti vax, all my children are fully vaccinated, but there is no way I will be giving any of them the COVID vaccine

TaurenDruid

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633507#Comment_117633507

Have you come across anyone with long COVID?

hmmm

Why would I be happy for them not to receive a Covid vaccine? Are scientists confident that Covid is safe for a child to get?

sekiro

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633483#Comment_117633483

Would it be wrong to take an "over-abundance of caution" approach to vaccinating children then?

I guess I am having trouble squaring the fact that the Danish government halted the use of AZ for some reason and the idea that people who are cautious about vaccinating their kids are delusional or whatever.

I mean, they didn't halt it for nothing and the Danish government probably aren't conspiracy nutjobs so there's obviously a reason to be cautious.

Hey were just going to halt this vaccine program for a bit here, just because, but you should definitely inject it into your kids, no probs.

hmmm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633471#Comment_117633471

"Push the vaccine" - note the language being used. You might be happy for your kids (if you have any) to get Covid with unknown short and long-term effects on their health, I'm going to wait and see what the science says - there's a reason kids these days aren't dying of smallpox or being crippled by polio, and it's due to the success of previous childhood innoculations.

Lumen

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633312#Comment_117633312

Are you saying that if you were given clear medical advice from your GP/gynaecologist that the vaccine was safe and recommended for protecting your baby from COVID, you would disregard it?

sekiro

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633555#Comment_117633555

Are smallpox and polio actually comparable to covid-19 though?

In terms of the risk to children it seems like Covid is not nearly as serious as smallpox would be.

There must be a better like for like comparison?

spaceHopper

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633202#Comment_117633202

Why has it taken over ten years for the victims of this to even get a sniff at compensation and only after high court cases. It's one of the reasons why I am very reluctant to give the vaccine to my kids. God forbid something went wrong they would be high and dry.

Deeec

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633559#Comment_117633559

Yes thats exactly what I am saying. There is no way I would take the risk of harming the baby by taking the vaccine.

I have 2 friends who are currently pregnant who have been advised by their medical professionals not to take the vaccine.

I was pregnant myself during the swine flu breakout and I was advised by my GP and midwives not to get the swine flu vaccine.

Multipass

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633555#Comment_117633555

why ‘note the language’, did you think you’d discovered an anti vaxxer. Sorry to disappoint - I’m fully vaccinated, not out of fear of covid, but to protect society. However i am also still quite unwell 3 weeks after my second dose, no way in hell my kids are having this until there are a few years of data behind it. And yes the vaccine is being pushed when you have restrictions on those who don’t take it. It should be a choice.

Lumen

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633590#Comment_117633590

I'm not sure if you misread my post, but I wrote:

Are you saying that if you were given clear medical advice from your GP/gynaecologist that the vaccine was safe and recommended for protecting your baby from COVID

...and you've given two examples where you or friends took medical advice to not take a vaccine.

So why would you follow advice not to take one vaccine and yet reject advice to take another vaccine? That sounds a lot like being against vaccination in principle, regardless of medical advice.

growleaves

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633076#Comment_117633076

I do have loved ones around that age. I also have loved ones aged 0-15.

Deeec

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633645#Comment_117633645

Right I will be clearer for you. I would not take the vaccine if I were pregnant even if advised to do so by medical professionals who regard it as safe.

I wouldnt take any vaccine during pregnancy - I would not want to risk potentialy damaging the baby in any way.

astrofool

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633590#Comment_117633590

There has been over 125,000 babies born to vaccinated women in the United States alone, there has not been a single side effect of the vaccine for any of the babies. Getting vaccinated has prevented the death of multiple women and babies from COVID because COVID is orders of magnitude more risky for a pregnant than the vaccines are.

Stop scare mongering and please name the medical professional giving out such stupid advice. The only way it's not stupid advice is if the women involved have a known pre-condition that recommends not vaccinating, the number of women in that group is very small, the chances of you knowing 2 of them is infinitesimal.

astrofool

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117633709#Comment_117633709

COVID is much more damaging for a baby and mother than any vaccine.