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Played off wrong handicap

  • 11-09-2016 06:33PM
    #1
    Celtrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 ✭


    Hi, on the first round of my Captains prize I played off 10.4. This was done because I had 40pts 3 days before on a different course and the result had not been sent back. I was told that the standard scratch would be 36pts so I cut myself .8.

    I had a 73 on the day in my captains prize which is only 5 shots behind the lead.

    However, I have just been informed that standard scratch was 37pts. Which means I should have played off 10.6.

    I spoke with my competition secretary and he informed me that I must play off 10 because the mistake is mine.

    I don't mind playing off this but it doesnt sound right to me.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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  • #2
    ForeRight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭ForeRight


    Doesn't sound unfair to me.
    To be fair You did the right thing. All you can do is assume CSS will be 36 and cut yourself accordingly.
    What happens after that is out of your control if you're going to play a comps off the new handicap.


    Why was there a delay in finding out wha CSS was anyway?


  • #3
    Celtrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 ✭Celtrick


    ForeRight wrote: »
    Doesn't sound unfair to me.
    To be fair You did the right thing. All you can do is assume CSS will be 36 and cut yourself accordingly.
    What happens after that is out of your control if you're going to play a comps off the new handicap.


    Why was there a delay in finding out wha CSS was anyway?

    Don't know what the delay was. I contacted the club on numerous occasions.
    Disappointed over it to be honest. Your damned if you do and damned if you don't.
    Thanks for the reply.


  • #4
    Hoof Hearted2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Hoof Hearted2


    Celtrick wrote: »
    Hi, on the first round of my Captains prize I played off 10.4. This was done because I had 40pts 3 days before on a different course and the result had not been sent back. I was told that the standard scratch would be 36pts so I cut myself .8.

    I had a 73 on the day in my captains prize which is only 5 shots behind the lead.

    However, I have just been informed that standard scratch was 37pts. Which means I should have played off 10.6.

    I spoke with my competition secretary and he informed me that I must play off 10 because the mistake is mine.

    I don't mind playing off this but it doesnt sound right to me.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    Your HC sec is correct, once you play off a lower HC and the card is submitted you must play off that HC for any subsequent rounds.
    You did the right thing in adjusting your HC using SSS when the CSS wasn't known, it's just one of those things that happens from time to time.
    ForeRight wrote: »
    Doesn't sound unfair to me.
    To be fair You did the right thing. All you can do is assume CSS will be 36 and cut yourself accordingly.
    What happens after that is out of your control if you're going to play a comps off the new handicap.


    Why was there a delay in finding out wha CSS was anyway?
    You don't assume CSS is 36 and cut yourself accordingly, you get the SSS off the card and cut yourself according to SSS when CSS is unknown.


  • #5
    ForeRight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭ForeRight


    Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »
    Your HC sec is correct, once you play off a lower HC and the card is submitted you must play off that HC for any subsequent rounds.
    You did the right thing in adjusting your HC using SSS when the CSS wasn't known, it's just one of those things that happens from time to time.

    You don't assume CSS is 36 and cut yourself accordingly, you get the SSS off the card and cut yourself according to SSS when CSS is unknown.



    Cool. Good to know now cheers.

    Not that I've had to worry about cuts this year :(


    I think the lesson is don't go our burning it up 3 days before captains day

    Joking


  • #6
    Celtrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 ✭Celtrick


    ForeRight wrote: »
    Cool. Good to know now cheers.

    Not that I've had to worry about cuts this year :(


    I think the lesson is don't go our burning it up 3 days before captains day

    Joking

    Very true. Let's just say I'm one of the honest ones.....
    Pity there wasnt more like me.


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  • #7
    agusta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭agusta


    Celtrick wrote: »
    Hi, on the first round of my Captains prize I played off 10.4. This was done because I had 40pts 3 days before on a different course and the result had not been sent back. I was told that the standard scratch would be 36pts so I cut myself .8.

    I had a 73 on the day in my captains prize which is only 5 shots behind the lead.

    However, I have just been informed that standard scratch was 37pts. Which means I should have played off 10.6.

    I spoke with my competition secretary and he informed me that I must play off 10 because the mistake is mine.

    I don't mind playing off this but it doesnt sound right to me.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.
    In my opinion your handicap secretary was incorrect and that you were wronged,
    "If you play another course in a qualifying competition and the scores are entered in the computer system,they will automatically be returned to your club,so you dont have to do anything further"

    "you must report all non qualifying scores to your home club [including society scores]that are equal to or better than the sss for the course",It does not mean an automatic cut a day later,or "3 days later" or 2 weeks later,its up to the club,its is "NOT" an instant or automatic handicap cut

    Under new rules you are no longer allowed cut yourself!,im sure if you ring the gui they will confirm this.

    You can put a lower handicap on your card but your score is calculated on you actual handicap that the club have for you on that day.
    The fact that you played off a lower handicap would be ignored because you are now no longer allowed to cut yourself.


  • #8
    agusta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,590 ✭✭✭agusta


    Ps, im actualy surprised the competition secretary gave you a answer without talking to the rest of the committee or the handicap secretary to a golfer in the mix for a captains prize,or any other golfer either.its too big a call for a competition secretary to make on his own


  • #9
    clog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭clog


    agusta wrote: »
    In my opinion your handicap secretary was incorrect and that you were wronged,
    "If you play another course in a qualifying competition and the scores are entered in the computer system,they will automatically be returned to your club,so you dont have to do anything further"

    "you must report all non qualifying scores to your home club [including society scores]that are equal to or better than the sss for the course",It does not mean an automatic cut a day later,or "3 days later" or 2 weeks later,its up to the club,its is "NOT" an instant or automatic handicap cut

    Under new rules you are no longer allowed cut yourself!,im sure if you ring the gui they will confirm this.

    You can put a lower handicap on your card but your score is calculated on you actual handicap that the club have for you on that day.
    The fact that you played off a lower handicap would be ignored because you are now no longer allowed to cut yourself.


    I believe you are incorrect about not being allowed to 'cut yourself'.

    For further clarifacation see cl 20.11 of the current CONGU regulations (page45).

    http://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/2016-CONGU-Manual-Final-version.pdf

    " make such reduction to his playing handicap as shall be appropriate "


  • #10
    Golf365
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47 ✭Golf365


    A competitor must ensure that their handicap is recorded on their scorecard. If there is no handicap on the card before it is returned to the Committee following completion of the players’ round, or if the recorded handicap is higher than that to which they are entitled and this affects the number of strokes received, they are disqualified (Rule 6-2b).
    If they enter a handicap that is lower than that to which they are entitled the Committee will use that handicap to calculate their score.


  • #11
    Rikand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,599 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    So he gets rode for being honest.

    Sounds standard for golf


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  • #12
    Hoof Hearted2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭Hoof Hearted2


    Rikand wrote: »
    So he gets rode for being honest.

    Sounds standard for golf

    He doesn't get rode, the qualifying score that he posted in the away club was 3 days previous, he had ample opportunity to find out what the CSS was, he could have phoned the away club to find out, and he also could have looked up his HC record on golfnet and he would have seen the away score in the unprocessed away score section which clearly shows the CSS.
    In addition to the two options above he could have contacted his ouw clubs comp sec to find out what the CSS was.
    OP I'm not having a go but you decided to leave it to faith, so to speak and in that scenario your only option is to take CSS to be SSS as it's stated on the card, you can chalk it down to a lesson learned and in future make further inquires to ensure your handicap is exact.


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