International UCI events in US with Muslim ban?

TGD · 29-01-2017 04:28PM #1

I guess a lot of us are trying to figure out the implications of Trump's actions but I'm wondering how the UCI can now sanction any international evens in the US (world champs, World Tour, World Cups etc) when they are not open to all UCI countries, especially when religion is implicated.
Is it naive to think that international sports events should be open to all competitors from the affiliated countries?

godtabh · 29-01-2017 05:02PM

TGD wrote: »

I guess a lot of us are trying to figure out the implications of Trump's actions but I'm wondering how the UCI can now sanction any international evens in the US (world champs, World Tour, World Cups etc) when they are not open to all UCI countries, especially when religion is implicated.
Is it naive to think that international sports events should be open to all competitors from the affiliated countries?

What's the fist race affected? Tour of California?

Beasty · 29-01-2017 07:04PM

godtabh wrote: »

What's the fist race affected? Tour of California?

Possibly. The World paracycling champs are taking place in LA in a few weeks also.

Beasty · 29-01-2017 07:13PM

Just checked. The paras are definitely before the Tour of California. Whether there are any potential entrants from affected countries I don't know. I suspect there will be other sporting events potentially affected in the meantime.

Eamonnator · 29-01-2017 07:42PM

The countries in question are:
Iran.
Iraq.
Syria.
Sudan.
Libya.
Yemen.
Somalia.

TGD · 29-01-2017 07:56PM

NBC is reporting that the list may be extended and CNN says that ALL visitors may have "to disclose all websites and social media sites they visit, and to share the contacts in their cell phones."
I can't imagine how any international sporting federation could subject athletes ans supporters to that kind of thing.

Kaisr Sose · 29-01-2017 07:56PM

Not cycling related, but Mo Farah was saying he could be affected as he is Somali with dual citizenship.

#unintendedconsequences ?

Eamonnator · 29-01-2017 07:59PM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

Not cycling related, but Mo Farah was saying he could be affected as he is Somali with dual citizenship.

#unintendedconsequences ?

Mo lives in America.

Eamonnator · 29-01-2017 08:01PM

TGD wrote: »

NBC is reporting that the list may be extended and CNN says that ALL visitors may have "to disclose all websites and social media sites they visit, and to share the contacts in their cell phones."
I can't imagine how any international sporting federation could subject athletes ans supporters to that kind of thing.

I, long ago, assumed that they already have all this information.

Kaisr Sose · 29-01-2017 08:18PM

Eamonnator wrote: »

Mo lives in America.

True, but he is also Somali. Just saying what is being said -see here!

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/01/british-citizens-hit-donald-trumps-visa-ban

Beasty · 29-01-2017 08:31PM

TGD wrote: »

CNN says that ALL visitors may have "to disclose all websites and social media sites they visit.

Including Boards :eek:

Better be a bit more careful what I say around here.....

irishrover99 · 29-01-2017 08:35PM

Beasty wrote: »

Including Boards :eek:

Better be a bit more careful what I say around here.....

I work for an American company hence the reason I've given up facebook since the election

Lemming · 29-01-2017 08:37PM

Eamonnator wrote: »

Mo lives in America.

And if he leaves US borders for whatever reason, he isn't being let back in as the blanket ban was just that .... blanket. Doesn't matter if you're a refugee, a green-card holder, a rockstar, politician, or a citizen with dual-nationality. If any of the afore-mentioned countries cross your passport details, you don't get granted entry, even if you have already been approved by the US.

No idea if that applies to holders of US passports. Probably, given the blunderbus approach.

#lawofunintendedconsequences

Wishbone Ash · 29-01-2017 09:12PM

The thread title is misleading as it's a ban on certain nationalities, not a Muslim ban (albeit Muslim countries). Christians, other denominations and those of no religion, from those countries are also affected.

Kaisr Sose · 29-01-2017 09:13PM

Weepsie wrote: »

Enda is still unfortunately going to go on his DC jaunt and kiss the arse of Herr Trump in March.

He is probably drawing up a five point plan on how to do it too

another #lawofunintendedconsquences

Beasty · 29-01-2017 09:40PM

Kaisr Sose wrote: »

He is probably drawing up a five point plan on how to do it too

another #lawofunintendedconsquences

Set him up a false Boards account - get it posting the wrong sort of stuff in the "wrong" threads and they may not let him in:pac:

KingBrian2 · 29-01-2017 09:47PM

Nice to see people getting animated about the Taoiseach visiting the most powerful leader of world yet when it comes to Shannon Airport being used by American military we all of a sudden go quiet. If Enda does go he should tell Trump exactly how we feel about that base and how America treats neutral Nations. By the way we are not in NATO so why should we care that Trump regards it as obsolete.

RobFowl · 29-01-2017 09:55PM

Trump is an absolute disgrace on every level.
Not only is he a rug wearing, Orange, teeny handed, tiny weinered, badly dressed, obese bigot with appalling taste, but he has the politics of Mussolini without even being able to get the trains running on time.
I love America and many things American. One of my prize possessions is my winter bike, a Cannondale with Stars and Stripes livery.
I love cinema and Scorcese, Kubrick, Tarantino et al have given me endless enjoyment and pleasure.
NASA have stimulated my imagination and dreams since childhood and my passion of medicine is lead by American research and innovation.
I have a dream of driving coast to coast in an open top visiting New York, Maryland, Boston, New Orleans, Colarado, San Francisco, the Rockies and California on the way.
But there is no way I'll set foot there while that thing is in charge.
The USA is a great country, all we hope is that it (and we) are still standing when he f*cks off into the sunset.
Conor

KingBrian2 · 29-01-2017 10:02PM

He certainly behaves like a pig in the public domain.

irishrover99 · 29-01-2017 10:12PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

The thread title is misleading as it's a ban on certain nationalities, not a Muslim ban (albeit Muslim countries). Christians, other denominations and those of no religion, from those countries are also affected.

That was the bull **** way that rudi gulianni gave to trump to try make it legal and not have it back fire on them. Everyone and their granny knows it's a Muslim ban and no amount of spin from them will change that.

magicbastarder · 29-01-2017 10:18PM

there's further backtracking on the ban; creating even more confusion as to who's in scope. now saying (and i'm probably misunderstanding this) that's it's only people from those countries who are travelling from those countries. no one seems to have a clue about what it actually means at this point.

Beasty · 29-01-2017 10:31PM

RobFowl wrote: »

Trump is an absolute disgrace on every level.....

That's you on the blacklist Rob

irishrover99 · 29-01-2017 10:38PM

Beasty wrote: »

That's you on the blacklist Rob

After looking at the news this evening I felt sorry for the likesof the NYPD at JFK airport who are controlling the protests. I'm sure the blacklist will be as big as the book of kells when the dust has settled

RobFowl · 29-01-2017 10:39PM

Beasty wrote: »

That's you on the blacklist Rob

Obama was cool
W was a cyclist
Clinton cared for Ireland
Bush Snr obviously cared
Reagan (well lets not go there)
Carter did great work after
Ford ended the Vietnam war
Nixon keeps comedians in work to this day
I could go on...

Only Trump will be the president who'll have nada on the credit side

magicbastarder · 29-01-2017 10:46PM

speaking of past presidents, this is how many days each were in office before they hit a majority disapproval in gallup polls:
reagan - 727
h bush - 1336
clinton - 573
w bush - 1305
obama - 936
trump - 8

Beasty · 29-01-2017 11:01PM

RobFowl wrote: »

Only Trump will be the president who'll have nada on the credit side

This reminds me of one of my all time favourite TV moments, with me taking the Capt. Mainwaring role shouting out the current scenario version of "Don't tell him Pike"

TGD · 29-01-2017 11:16PM

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

The thread title is misleading as it's a ban on certain nationalities, not a Muslim ban (albeit Muslim countries). Christians, other denominations and those of no religion, from those countries are also affected.

That may be so but it doesn't change the topic - whether international events should go ahead in the US when some athletes are arbitrarily barred.

Tea drinker · 29-01-2017 11:22PM

It's not a muslim ban, it's similar to the ban Obama put in place after a small terror attack in US in 2011. Since 2011 there's been several terror attack in EU some linked to immigrants.

TGD wrote: »

NBC is reporting that the list may be extended and CNN says that ALL visitors may have "to disclose all websites and social media sites they visit, and to share the contacts in their cell phones."
I can't imagine how any international sporting federation could subject athletes ans supporters to that kind of thing.

Some Irish people were prevented entry to US about 2 years ago, they were using typical irish slang about wrecking the place on facebook. Did not cut any ice with the homeland people back then and it probably won't change under Trump. The phone thing is kinda new (and dumb as they can easily track calls and texts of any they desire to do so on.)

It was OK when Russian Athletes were arbitrarily barred, now it's not?

TGD · 29-01-2017 11:37PM

Tea drinker wrote: »

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It was OK when Russian Athletes were arbitrarily barred, now it's not?

I think you are probably referring to the ban because of the widespread state sponsored doping in Russia? If so, entirely different - not arbitary at all. Or was it the Olympic 'boycot' going back a good bit? , which I believe was wrong.

equivariant · 30-01-2017 01:16AM

TGD wrote: »

I guess a lot of us are trying to figure out the implications of Trump's actions but I'm wondering how the UCI can now sanction any international evens in the US (world champs, World Tour, World Cups etc) when they are not open to all UCI countries, especially when religion is implicated.
Is it naive to think that international sports events should be open to all competitors from the affiliated countries?

The uci has just held the worlds in Qatar ffs. I think the US (even Trumps version) will be ok by those standards

tomasrojo · 30-01-2017 11:02AM

The executive order is completely nuts. It also omits nationalities of persons who actually did commit atrocities in the US (Egypt, Saudi Arabia, UAE), while nobody from the countries on the ban list has committed atrocities. Coincidentally, Egypt, Saudi and UAE are all places where Trump has large business interests.

The attempt to say it's not a "Muslim ban" would be more convincing if members of the administration didn't come along a day or so later and say they might exempt Christians. And if Rudy Giuliani didn't run his mouth off on TV, saying that Trump asked him how he could legally institute a Muslim ban.

Anyway, Steve Bannon seems to be driving most of this lunacy. He wrote the inauguration speech, and all the controversial executive orders. Since he used to run what is essentially a White Supremacist website, it's not naive to read certain motivations into his policies.

tomasrojo · 30-01-2017 11:09AM

Incidentally, the USA isn't a basket case. But it has reached a point where it requires a party that has relatively few principles apart from tax cuts for the wealthy to constrain a man who has strong despotic tendencies and an total inability to face up to realities he doesn't like. It's not looking good.

ford2600 · 30-01-2017 11:24AM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Incidentally, the USA isn't a basket case. But it has reached a point where it requires a party that has relatively few principles apart from tax cuts for the wealthy to constrain a man who has strong despotic tendencies and an total inability to face up to realities he doesn't like. It's not looking good.

The real question is how fcuked up a political system is that gives people a choice
between Trump and Clinton; Bukowski gets more correct every 4 years, warm/cold sh1t indeed

How desperate, confused and alienated an electorate must be to not be tearing the place apart, and instead elect this lad.

This is the real story in the states, and how it has changed over the years such that the American Dream is a fairytale for huge sections of society
http://fortune.com/2015/09/30/america-wealth-inequality/

but the reality tv characters will keep people from looking there

tomasrojo · 30-01-2017 11:28AM

There is no reasonable comparison between Clinton and Trump. Clinton is an overly secretive, hard-to-love candidate. Trump is a vindictive bully, with a "special advisor" who is a White Sumpremacist, and who has stated in interviews that the wants to break up the EU and NATO. Even Bush 43, whose team also had delusions of ignoring reality, would be preferable to Trump.

ford2600 · 30-01-2017 11:34AM

tomasrojo wrote: »

There is no reasonable comparison between Clinton and Trump. Clinton is an overly secretive, hard-to-love candidate. Trump is a vindictive bully, with a "special advisor" who is a White Sumpremacist, and who has stated in interviews that the wants to break up the EU and NATO. Even Bush 43, whose team also had delusions of ignoring reality, would be preferable to Trump.

For the American electorate there was a reasonable comparsion; and they chose Trump in spite of what he is, that's the point.

The level of hatred many Americans hold for the Clintons isn't something you see in our media. I have two siblings with US passports and the low regard their circle had for Clinton was quite a shock for me; that's a group of people from both main parties and non party.

tomasrojo · 30-01-2017 11:40AM

I never said Clinton was a likeable candidate. I'm well aware that she has popularity issues. People are prepared to believe the most insane things about her, on top of her real flaws.

But they are nothing compared to this guy.

(As is traditional now, I should say that Trump got three million fewer votes. Not that matters, but it does put suggest that a large amount of luck got Trump to the White House, rather than any great fervour for him as a candidate.)

TGD · 30-01-2017 12:20PM

Hey guys, maybe best to keep it to the topic which is more about the UCI (and other sporting governing bodies) than the USA - i.e. should the UCI should sanction world events in a country which bars some athletes arbitrarily for completely non-sporting factors. Personally I don't think they should.

tomasrojo · 30-01-2017 12:38PM

Yeah, sorry for wandering off there.

Hungrycol · 30-01-2017 02:28PM

Yeah Jeesch, you guys... build a wall will ya...

International UCI events in US with Muslim ban?

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