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Would you buy a place a place where someone commit suicide?

  • 01-07-2017 06:32PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭


    As the title suggest, would you get a place where someone commit suicide?

    Is there still a stigma around that or would bar an eye lid renting a place like that?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    There would be a huge number of premises empty in the country if people didn't buy them due to a death in it. Thing of the old Georgian tenement buildings and how many people would have died from various causes in them. People will still live in them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    How do you mean a place? A house, a farm, a shop?


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,306 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Why not? They aren't going to need it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭LincolnHawk


    I would, but it's a fair question. I'd draw the line at Fritzel's old dungeon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭Grolschevik


    I would, but it's a fair question. I'd draw the line at Fritzel's old dungeon

    Sure that'd just be a granny flat to some on this forum, with the connecting trapdoor and all and €14k tax free...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,880 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I would, but it's a fair question. I'd draw the line at Fritzel's old dungeon

    Or Freddie's place at 25, Cromwell Street, Gloucester.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,360 ✭✭✭death1234567


    but it's a fair question
    No, it isn't. Anyone who wouldn't live in a place because someone committed suicide there is an irrational idiot.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 907 ✭✭✭Alpha_zero


    No, it isn't. Anyone who wouldn't live in a place because someone committed suicide there is an irrational idiot.

    Sure thing Death


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭DesperateDan


    There are a lot of very superstitious people in this country. I think you'd be surprised at the amount of people that would turn down a house because of this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭LincolnHawk


    but it's a fair question
    No, it isn't. Anyone who wouldn't live in a place because someone committed suicide there is an irrational idiot.
    How naive you are. Some of the world's greatest minds are irrational


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭One_Of_Shanks


    I think I would. You can look at it as creating new happy memories in the place. In fairness, anyone renting/buying a 2nd hand home could be taking on a place where all sorts of horrible things happened, you just don't know.
    Every house is just bricks and mortar.
    The people living there turn it into a home. I wouldn't be put off, despite maybe feeling a little odd about it initially.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭CeilingFly


    I'd buy it looking to flip it. Would give me the creeps.

    Similarly if a murder was in a house it would affect the value - one in goatstown went for 30% lower than similar houses a few years ago.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭CeilingFly


    I'd buy it looking to flip it. Would give me the creeps.

    Similarly if a murder was in a house it would affect the value - one in goatstown went for 30% lower than similar houses a few years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Why wouldn't you? Is it considered bad luck or something?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭One_Of_Shanks


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Is it considered bad luck or something?

    Was fairly bad luck for the person who snuffed it anyway


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How naive you are. Some of the world's greatest minds are irrational

    I agree as I am smart (technically anyway!) and I still would not live somewhere that someone committed suicide in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I agree as I am smart (technically anyway!) and I still would not live somewhere that someone committed suicide in.

    Why not?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,276 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I take it some adults believe in ghosts.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Why not?

    Just wouldn't as I Would not feel comfortable living somewhere where someone had felt bad about life that they decided to end things. I am a sensitive soul and would be put off by that - it's like when you visit concentration camps or a graveyard and you feel that there is a sadness connected to the place. It is not a rational thing but it is how I feel.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,691 ✭✭✭4ensic15


    There are a lot of very superstitious people in this country. I think you'd be surprised at the amount of people that would turn down a house because of this.

    It is bad luck to be superstitious!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,315 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I take it some adults believe in ghosts.
    Some of them call said ghosts "angels" or "daemons", depending on how much money their local holy man gets paid...!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 85,679 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    If there was blood involved no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Was fairly bad luck for the person who snuffed it anyway

    Only if they were playing Russian Roulet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    spirits


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,342 ✭✭✭Filmer Paradise


    Just wouldn't as I Would not feel comfortable living somewhere where someone had felt bad about life that they decided to end things. I am a sensitive soul and would be put off by that - it's like when you visit concentration camps or a graveyard and you feel that there is a sadness connected to the place. It is not a rational thing but it is how I feel.

    Near me there's a place where there was a young couple renting.

    Nice house in a nice area & all that, but the house is abandoned & neglected for years.

    WHY?

    The young couple. Boyfriend stabbed the girlfriend to death in that house.

    Would you seriously live in there knowing what happened?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,130 ✭✭✭Surreptitious


    Near me there's a place where there was a young couple renting.

    Nice house in a nice area & all that, but the house is abandoned & neglected for years.

    WHY?

    The young couple. Boyfriend stabbed the girlfriend to death in that house.

    Would you seriously live in there knowing what happened?

    I definitely wouldn't. I've seen The Amityville Horror.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 stilllooking


    I'd love to in the hope I'd get it cheaper.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭fg1406


    2 people died (separately) in the last house I lived in. I couldn't give a ****e what happened in the house. My uncle bought a house in a rural location about 10 years ago where a man killed himself and his wife. It wasn't any cheaper or anything. He just liked the area and the house.


  • Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wouldn't bother me in the least, don't really understand why it would bother people but the fact it would point to the possibility of getting the house cheaper.

    The fact is that any house could have had someone commit suicide in it and unless you are buying in an area you know well the chances are you will never know as these sort of things are never published or anything like that.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭Eyes Down Field


    Wouldn't bother me at all. Death is completely natural. Everything that lives eventually dies. Whether someone dies by the bodies systems shutting down, by the hand of another, or by their own hand. It really makes no difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭MrDerp


    I'd be sure to loudly tell a friend/partner all about it at any open viewing. No point in someone bidding against me if it might bother them before closing.

    Personally I wouldn't care about it. There's a lot of people who believe in energies and afterlife and ghosts and conception without sex etc. I'd wager a good 70-80% of people are spiritual is some guise, religious or otherwise, so I'd imagine it might bother them in some way. Hollywood tropes around murder houses and the like don't help either.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 907 ✭✭✭Alpha_zero


    Wouldn't bother me at all. Death is completely natural. Everything that lives eventually dies. Whether someone dies by the bodies systems shutting down, by the hand of another, or by their own hand. It really makes no difference.
    Suicide is not natural, as you have to act against every natural instinct of the body and mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭Scraggs


    Wouldn't bother me in the least, don't really understand why it would bother people but the fact it would point to the possibility of getting the house cheaper.

    The fact is that any house could have had someone commit suicide in it and unless you are buying in an area you know well the chances are you will never know as these sort of things are never published or anything like that.

    Completely agree. I was just going to say how would you even know there had been a suicide unless you were from the area/knew the family.

    What would these superstitious people do if they found out they had bought and were living in a house there had been a suicide in? Sell up? Get an exorcist in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,633 ✭✭✭Fol20


    Scraggs wrote: »
    Completely agree. I was just going to say how would you even know there had been a suicide unless you were from the area/knew the family.

    What would these superstitious people do if they found out they had bought and were living in a house there had been a suicide in? Sell up? Get an exorcist in?

    Im thinking more from an investment point of view.. If tenants find out, they want to leave early?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,880 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    There are a lot of very superstitious people in this country. I think you'd be surprised at the amount of people that would turn down a house because of this.
    Its only when the lights flicker at night and unexplained bangs and noises are hear that people begin to wonder ...... what the Hell was that?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭Moomintroll99


    I've seen grim stuff have the exact opposite effect.

    I had a friend back in Australia whose dad was literally axe murdered in his home, in a drug addled rent boy incident which caused a massive scandal in the local area.

    Small rural town, so not a huge number of people looking to buy there, and everyone in town knew what had happened, it was a big news story. Plus the house was nothing special even without the murder.

    She put the place on the market expecting to have huge trouble selling it. Instead at the first open house, 3 different guys showed up, all attracted by the story cause they thought it would be a bargain.

    Ended up selling it for full market value in record time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,315 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Fol20 wrote: »
    Im thinking more from an investment point of view.. If tenants find out, they want to leave early?
    They won't be getting their deposit back.

    I actually wonder how many PTRB cases are "ghost" related?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,691 ✭✭✭4ensic15


    Wouldn't bother me at all. Death is completely natural. Everything that lives eventually dies. Whether someone dies by the bodies systems shutting down, by the hand of another, or by their own hand. It really makes no difference.
    My grandmother refused to move into a house where there had been TB. A rational decision since there was no vaccination available against TB at the time and there was quite a low survival rate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    I live in a house where someone died by suicide. Funnily enough it wasn't in the brochure. It was the neighbour beside me that decided that on a need to know basis, I needed to know. I actually didn't need to know. The complete tool !

    I don't really care and nothing has happened to freak me out. I do however think about it from time to time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 697 ✭✭✭wordofwarning


    Just wouldn't as I Would not feel comfortable living somewhere where someone had felt bad about life that they decided to end things. I am a sensitive soul and would be put off by that - it's like when you visit concentration camps or a graveyard and you feel that there is a sadness connected to the place. It is not a rational thing but it is how I feel.

    Can I ask, have you ever listed the Jervis Centre? A lot of people seem to forget that it was a working hospital for decades and thousands likely died in it. Yet with some good lighting, nice flooring and decent shops no one thinks twice about it. Or no one feels uneasy about all the people who died in the GPO when they are collecting the scratcher.

    If you are unfamiliar with a place's past and it looks nice. Most people would be none of the wiser.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,315 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Can I ask, have you ever listed the Jervis Centre? A lot of people seem to forget that it was a working hospital for decades and thousands likely died in it. Yet with some good lighting, nice flooring and decent shops no one thinks twice about it. Or no one feels uneasy about all the people who died in the GPO when they are collecting the scratcher.
    Likewise Dr Steevens' is not a hospital anymore. Everyone who went there from the plague died, including the doctors and nurses who treated them.

    But people now work there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,278 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Fol20 wrote: »
    Im thinking more from an investment point of view.. If tenants find out, they want to leave early?
    It all depends

    A friend of mine, back in the mid-80s, rented a very attractive flat in Muswell Hill, in London for a very advantageous rent. The rent was so advantageous because the flat was two doors from the house in which Dennis Nilsen had killed several of his victims and concealed their bodies, and in which he was arrested. This wasn't even the same house, but it was on the same road, and the address was for a while notorious. It was extremely difficult to let houses there; hence the attractive rent.

    Obviously, that kind of thing would affect the value of the house as an investment. Presumably after a while the effect weakens and disappears, but you'd be taking a gamble on how long that might be.

    And events might prolong the notoriety. A serial killer by the name of John Christie murdered at least eight people in his home, 10 Rillington Place, Notting Hill, a fact which many people remember even today because there was a best-selling book and later a film about the murders, called 10 Rillington Place. Not only the house but the entire street was eventually demolished, and rebuilt with a different alignment, a different name and a small park where the murder house had formerly been.

    So, yeah, if the events which have happened in a house are sufficiently notorious, they do become a relevant consideration in an investment decision.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Ann_Landers


    I would, no bother. I've lived in lots of red-brick terraces in Dublin and I like to sometimes imagine what went on in them down the years, from births to deaths, happiness to heartache. I like to consider the history of an old property. And I don't believe in ghosts so no fear here of the house being haunted. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Or Freddie's place at 25, Cromwell Street, Gloucester.

    That was levelled to stop the ghouls coming around.


  • Posts: 24,713 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fol20 wrote: »
    Im thinking more from an investment point of view.. If tenants find out, they want to leave early?

    Let them off and get new ones. In fact it might be worth telling tenants who you want rid of in the hope it makes them want to leave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,339 ✭✭✭Bandana boy


    As long as the death was not so gruesome as to attract weirdos visiting the place , I could not care a jot what happened before hand.


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