Could there ever be tall skyscrapers in Dublin?

hu4356 · 04-01-2018 07:25PM #1

As above.

Could there ever be skyscrapers like the Shard or Canary Wharf in London or one WTC in NYC?

I'm talking about nice tall buildings that would be about 80 - 100 storeys tall. Or a building with a symbolic height like 1916 feet.

Maybe in the Docklands or IFSC.

Would this ever be possible?

What do you think?

Beasty · 04-01-2018 07:31PM

Ever? Yes there could - "ever" is a long time

In my lifetime? Probably not

RobbingBandit · 04-01-2018 07:31PM

When I stage my coup I'll build a 250 story high dungeon for political and financial prisoners hell I'll probably need 3

Beasty · 04-01-2018 07:34PM

RobbingBandit wrote: »

When I stage my coup I'll build a 250 story high dungeon for political and financial prisoners hell I'll probably need 3

A 250 storey dungeon? That's going to require a lot of digging

Uranium · 04-01-2018 07:35PM

There's a proposed 22 story building on Tara street

questionmark? · 04-01-2018 07:35PM

Tall buildings housing many people or large office space leading to better provision of services, a modern identity, better public transport and higher quality of life due to less time commuting won't happen as the something something skyline something something need semi detached houses in the city something something the homeless not in my back yard brigade, have too much of a say in urban planning. Build up the docklands and Heuston areas not Shard height but 30-40 story buildings would do the job of addressing our urban sprawl and poor public transport provision.

Jim Bob Scratcher · 04-01-2018 07:36PM

Sure don't we have the spire? is that not good enough for ya?

andekwarhola · 04-01-2018 07:39PM

hu4356 wrote: »

Maybe in the Falklands or IFSC.

Bit of a commute?

SEPT 23 1989 · 04-01-2018 07:45PM

We tried to live in towers but all that happened was chronic heroin addiction and horses taking over the lifts

Beasty · 04-01-2018 07:47PM

andekwarhola wrote: »

Bit of a commute?

Not really - by the time a 250 storey building is built in Dublin the Falklands will probably be a 20 minute space flight away

hu4356 · 04-01-2018 08:00PM

I meant the Docklands, not the Falklands.

The tallest building in Dublin ATM is the Google HQ. Surely we can build something better than that.

Like I said, something like the Shard would be a good development.

Out of curiosity how much would a 100 storey modern skyscraper cost to build in Dublin? Are there any current regulations?

Your Face · 04-01-2018 08:04PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

We tried to live in towers but all that happened was chronic heroin addiction and horses taking over the lifts

So the mane problem were the neighbors?

Stheno · 04-01-2018 08:05PM

Isn't the new Spencer dock development going to be 28 stories?

bear1 · 04-01-2018 08:07PM

Uranium wrote: »

There's a proposed 22 story building on Tara street

Hardly massive and that will be rejected this month. Almost positive it will.
To answer the op, nope too much nimbysism and fear of anything daring height wise for developers to bother.
Limerick or cork on the other hand could be contenders, limerick not to Dubai scales obviously but already they have planning permissions for a few 15 storeys along the river which suit limerick well.
Cork soon will have the 40 storey tower sent for approval and from the looks of it that is going to be approved.

diomed · 04-01-2018 08:08PM

Will nobody think of the pigeons?

bear1 · 04-01-2018 08:12PM

Stheno wrote: »

Isn't the new Spencer dock development going to be 28 stories?

Spencer place or do you mean capital dock? The latter is 23 but the way it's coming out looks terrible with the brick work

Peregrine · 04-01-2018 08:12PM

It's inevitable unless people want to commute from Dublin's newest suburb Mullingar.

But there will have to be some serious change in attitudes in An Bord Pleanala, Dublin City Council, Dáil Eireann and some of the local NIMBYs.

Much of the land in the docklands was wasted by being limited to 6-8 storey boxes by DCC. There were 2-4 corners where slightly taller buildings were allowed. Not much scope for good architecture.

We'll see if Minister Murphy's new laws on apartments will force DCC and ABP's hand on residential buildings this year.

Uranium wrote: »

There's a proposed 22 story building on Tara street

Rejected by Dublin City Council for its height despite being within the height limit set by DCC's own Local Area Plan. Currently on appeal with ABP.

Stheno · 04-01-2018 08:14PM

bear1 wrote: »

Spencer place or do you mean capital dock? The latter is 23 but the way it's coming out looks terrible with the brick work

The massive development across from the three arena?

bear1 · 04-01-2018 08:15PM

Peregrine wrote: »

It's inevitable unless people want to commute from Dublin's newest suburb Mullingar.

But there will have to be some serious change in attitudes in An Bord Pleanala, Dublin City Council, Dáil Eireann and some of the local NIMBYs.

Much of the land in the docklands was wasted by being limited to 6-8 storey boxes by DCC. There were 2-4 corners where slightly taller buildings were allowed. Not much scope for good architecture.

We'll see if Minister Murphy's new laws on apartments will force DCC and ABP's hand on residential buildings this year.

Rejected by Dublin City Council for its height despite being within the height limit set by DCC's own Local Area Plan. Currently on appeal with ABP.

The rejection was appealed to abp who were supposed to decide at the end of November but it's been postponed to end of January so we will know soon if it will go ahead.
But as with all things Irish it can easily be appealed further so it's no guarantee that even if abp overturn the council's decision that it will be built.
Case in point, Apple and Athenry.

Peregrine · 04-01-2018 08:17PM

Stheno wrote: »

The massive development across from the three arena?

Capital Dock. One of two sites in the docklands where anything that tall is allowed. And both sites were capped at around 80-85m off the top of my head. The rest is capped at 6-8 storeys with the exception of Bolands Quay which can rise up to 50m and one or two sites where something like 13 storeys is allowed.

bear1 · 04-01-2018 08:18PM

Stheno wrote: »

The massive development across from the three arena?

Thats capital dock.
Behind the 3 there will be the exo building which will be taller but I've no idea why it hasn't started yet even though it has been approved.
Bolands mill has started and those 3 buildings I think are about 15 storeys.
The waste for me is what is around the Google zone.
Could have developed into a nice mini canary wharf but no.. 5 storeys mostly.

bear1 · 04-01-2018 08:21PM

Peregrine wrote: »

Capital Dock. One of two sites in the docklands where anything that tall is allowed. And the bkth sides were capped at around 80-85m off the top of my head. The rest is capped at 6-8 storeys with the exception of Bolands Quay which can rise up to 50m and one or two sites where something like 13 storeys is allowed.

Amazing that the tower in clongriffen will be taller than most office buildings in the city centre...
Cork should do well.
They got permission for the 12 storey in the city centre, then some 10 storey near the train station.
Then the council's own 15 or 17 storey in the centre.
So if the 40 storey is approved then I think cork will be more high rise city wise than Dublin.

Peregrine · 04-01-2018 08:23PM

bear1 wrote: »

Amazing that the tower in clongriffen will be taller than most office buildings in the city centre...
Cork should do well.
They got permission for the 12 storey in the city centre, then some 10 storey near the train station.
Then the council's own 15 or 17 storey in the centre.
So if the 40 storey is approved then I think cork will be more high rise city wise than Dublin.

The Clongriffin LAP allowed that one tower (54m?). There was another apartment tower proposed up the road from that which I believe was rejected recently.

bear1 · 04-01-2018 08:26PM

Peregrine wrote: »

The Clongriffin LAP allowed that one tower (54m?). There was another apartment tower proposed up the road from that which I believe was rejected recently.

There is another tower somewhere in Dublin that began during the crash and they never finished it.
I know that was given approval a few months back which I think axa bought.
Can't think of the name for it now.

Peregrine · 04-01-2018 08:28PM

Peregrine wrote: »

The Clongriffin LAP allowed that one tower (54m?). There was another apartment tower proposed up the road from that which I believe was rejected recently.

Sorry, it was chopped down from around 16 storeys to a more agreeable 6 storeys by DCC.

bear1 wrote: »

There is another tower somewhere in Dublin that began during the crash and they never finished it.
I know that was given approval a few months back which I think axa bought.
Can't think of the name for it now.

The Sentinel in Sandyford?

bear1 · 04-01-2018 08:30PM

Yes! The sentinel.

Regarding clongriffen, no it got approved in full

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/new-north-dublin-town-will-feature-16-storey-apartment-building-1.3324475?mode=amp&mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/new-north-dublin-town-will-feature-16-storey-apartment-building-1.3324475

The J Stands for Jay · 04-01-2018 08:33PM

bear1 wrote: »

There is another tower somewhere in Dublin that began during the crash and they never finished it.
I know that was given approval a few months back which I think axa bought.
Can't think of the name for it now.

The sentinel in Sandyford?

Peregrine · 04-01-2018 08:34PM

bear1 wrote: »

Yes! The sentinel.

Regarding clongriffen, no it got approved in full

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/new-north-dublin-town-will-feature-16-storey-apartment-building-1.3324475?mode=amp&mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fcommercial-property%2Fnew-north-dublin-town-will-feature-16-storey-apartment-building-1.3324475

There were two. One got approved, the other was reduced to 6 storeys IIRC. I'll double check in a while when I get to a computer.

Edit: ref 2648/17

ProudDUB · 04-01-2018 08:35PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

We tried to live in towers but all that happened was chronic heroin addiction and horses taking over the lifts

There are plenty of high rise apartment/condo buildings all over the world & the quality of life in them can be exceptional. I know, because I used to live in one. Just because the Dublin Corporation made a piss poor job of urban planning with the Ballymun Flats in the 1960's, it doesn't mean that every single high development is doomed to failure for ever more.

Harry Palmr · 04-01-2018 08:35PM

It would look at bit silly poking into the cloud cover with a low rise city surrounding it.

rossie1977 · 04-01-2018 08:37PM

We couldn't even approve a 4 sided stadium in Dublin so the chance of getting something like canary wharf or the shard approved would be virtually zero.

It's a pity because the docklands was prime real estate to build 30-40 story buildings and more office space which city is lacking

bnt · 04-01-2018 08:38PM

Not the first thread on this. I've long thought that Dublin could use the example of Paris. Nearly all of the centre of Paris is old buildings that people want to keep, but skyscrapers are permitted in a specific zone, La Défense. The tallest building there, Tour First, is 50 stories high. I don't see why Dublin couldn't do the same in the Docklands: IFSC, Grand Canal, etc.

Mr321 · 04-01-2018 08:38PM

hu4356 wrote: »

As above.

Could there ever be skyscrapers like the Shard or Canary Wharf in London or one WTC in NYC?

I'm talking about nice tall buildings that would be about 80 - 100 storeys tall. Or a building with a symbolic height like 1916 feet.

Maybe in the Falklands or IFSC.

Would this ever be possible?

What do you think?

Yes I think there could be a couple I'm another 20 - 30 years.

They might also be in Cork or Galway also. Longford might even get a couple.

Skylinehead · 04-01-2018 08:43PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It would look at bit silly poking into the cloud cover with a low rise city surrounding it.

Gotta start somewhere.

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Marcusm · 06-01-2018 02:36PM

hu4356 wrote: »

As above.

Could there ever be skyscrapers like the Shard or Canary Wharf in London or one WTC in NYC?

I'm talking about nice tall buildings that would be about 80 - 100 storeys tall. Or a building with a symbolic height like 1916 feet.

Maybe in the Docklands or IFSC.

Would this ever be possible?

What do you think?

Just to give you an idea of sizes; the Shard hits 70 storeys but only the lower 30 are of any size. One Canada Sq is 50 storeys and 8 and 25 Canada Sq are 44. One WTC is 1,776 ft but the top 100 ft or so are an antenna. Aiming for 15 storeys in Dublin would be good. 1916ft is probably unfinanceable.

bear1 · 06-01-2018 03:18PM

The exo is starting in a few weeks. 73m

VonLuck · 08-01-2018 10:14PM

bear1 wrote: »

The exo is starting in a few weeks. 73m

Horrendous looking building.

bear1 · 09-01-2018 10:31AM

The renders don't look good but look how capital dock is turning out.
Looked good on the renders but now looks like something from the 70s.

FreudianSlippers · 09-01-2018 10:40AM

Marcusm wrote: »

Just to give you an idea of sizes; the Shard hits 70 storeys but only the lower 30 are of any size. One Canada Sq is 50 storeys and 8 and 25 Canada Sq are 44. One WTC is 1,776 ft but the top 100 ft or so are an antenna. Aiming for 15 storeys in Dublin would be good. 1916ft is probably unfinanceable.

To put that into perspective, the Shard is 300m+; we should be aiming for 150m-200m in the Docklands, 70m-100m in areas like Heuston and 50m-70m for replacements for Apollo/Hawkins house.

I don't think we'll see 300m+ in Dublin until we have flying cars

Chinasea · 09-01-2018 02:01PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

There are plenty of high rise apartment/condo buildings all over the world & the quality of life in them can be exceptional. I know, because I used to live in one. Just because the Dublin Corporation made a piss poor job of urban planning with the Ballymun Flats in the 1960's, it doesn't mean that every single high development is doomed to failure for ever more.

Agree. No enforcement of the tenancy agreements, and no intention by the tenants to adhere to their agreement doesn't help either.

Could there ever be tall skyscrapers in Dublin?

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