Neighbour damaging car :(

Mar4ix · 16-09-2018 3:45pm #1

Hi folks, need some advice.

First of all, neighbor not have space there, she is using because other one not using, we wouldn't mind her park there, but she is damaging our cars.

She has a bunch of kids, and them have no manners about other people property, and today on our car we got proper dent.

I don't want her park there any more, and i want now to get that dent fixed.

What is proper way to deal in this situation?

Report to insurers, gards, fix and claim through court? What is most effective?

Thanks

https://ibb.co/f87tEz

https://ibb.co/eba5uz

Alanstrainor · 16-09-2018 4:11pm

I'm not sure I understand the situation. But your first port of call should be to talk to them and let them know of the damage and see what they say. This is not an issue for the gardai. Do you have any proof that it was their car that caused the damage? Just in case they deny everything?

Atlantic Dawn · 16-09-2018 4:15pm

Have you talked to her about the damage, what has her response been? Hard to say exacty how much to fix without additional photos but I'd say €500's worth at least.

If she agrees to pay bring the car to 3 places of your choice for quotes for the damage, pick whichever one you want and show her the 3 quotes, get her to pay for it.

Supergurrier · 16-09-2018 4:22pm

That's a vicious dent

Del2005 · 16-09-2018 5:10pm

You can't stop anyone from parking on a public road, so there's nothing you can do.

To get the damage fixed call over to her and say that you damaged my car, if she doesn't play ball get her insurance details, from her or the windscreen, and inform her insurance company.

Wishbone Ash · 16-09-2018 5:46pm

Mar4ix wrote: »

... neighbor not have space there, she is using because other one not using..

If I understand correctly, you have 2 assigned parking spaces and she has none?

If so, can you physically park across both spaces?

PixelTrawler · 16-09-2018 8:01pm

Del2005 wrote: »

You can't stop anyone from parking on a public road, so there's nothing you can do.

To get the damage fixed call over to her and say that you damaged my car, if she doesn't play ball get her insurance details, from her or the windscreen, and inform her insurance company.

The problem is proof. The insurance company will surely ask for a witness or video evidence.

So unless she straight up admits it, not much they can do about it.

Annoying as it is.

colm_mcm · 16-09-2018 8:28pm

Photo of the corner of a back door which will match height of impact will possibly do?

Del2005 · 16-09-2018 10:26pm

PixelTrawler wrote: »

The problem is proof. The insurance company will surely ask for a witness or video evidence.

So unless she straight up admits it, not much they can do about it.

Annoying as it is.

That's the same as all insurance claims if the other person denies it happened, but people still get paid for the damage. If in doubt MIBI her, you have the reg.

Mar4ix · 17-09-2018 6:58am

colm_mcm wrote: »

Photo of the corner of a back door which will match height of impact will possibly do?

Yes, there is picture.

https://ibb.co/gKBLez

lawred2 · 17-09-2018 7:01am

Mar4ix wrote: »

Hi folks, need some advice.

First of all, neighbor not have space there, she is using because other one not using, we wouldn't mind her park there, but she is damaging our cars.

She has a bunch of kids, and them have no manners about other people property, and today on our car we got proper dent.

I don't want her park there any more, and i want now to get that dent fixed.

What is proper way to deal in this situation?

Report to insurers, gards, fix and claim through court? What is most effective?

Thanks

https://ibb.co/f87tEz

https://ibb.co/eba5uz

That doesn't really look like a dent that a car door would cause..

Did you see what happened?

_Brian · 17-09-2018 7:02am

PixelTrawler wrote: »

The problem is proof. The insurance company will surely ask for a witness or video evidence.

So unless she straight up admits it, not much they can do about it.

Annoying as it is.

My sister had her jeep damaged by a careless kid, when she approached the mother the mother didn’t want to engage and a bit of a row followed.

Sister just snapped her insurance disc and contacted the insurance company who were happy to pay out.

New door skinmamd reapray of 6 week old Touareg, I think it cost €1800 when the job was finished but it was shockingly damaged, kid put their foot to door and drove in the door.

lawred2 · 17-09-2018 7:04am

Mar4ix wrote: »

Yes, there is picture.

https://ibb.co/gKBLez

Ah I see. Thought it was too high in your car door but an SUV door could do it alright..

If that door hit yours with enough force to do that level of damage, the mother must have heard the bang. Can't image she wouldn't have.

lawred2 · 17-09-2018 7:06am

_Brian wrote: »

My sister had her jeep damaged by a careless kid, when she approached the mother the mother didn’t want to engage and a bit of a row followed.

Sister just snapped her insurance disc and contacted the insurance company who were happy to pay out.

New door skinmamd reapray of 6 week old Touareg, I think it cost €1800 when the job was finished but it was shockingly damaged, kid put their foot to door and drove in the door.

That sounds a bit worse than careless

py2006 · 17-09-2018 7:06am

That door must have opened with a lot of force. It would have made a considerable noise too. She would have heard it.

TheBoyConor · 17-09-2018 7:32am

She surely heard it. But some people couldn't care less and are brazen. She'll probably deny it and get defensive about you picking on her child.

Mar4ix · 17-09-2018 7:43am

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

If I understand correctly, you have 2 assigned parking spaces and she has none?

If so, can you physically park across both spaces?

Actually 3. Myself and girlfriend using two, and third space, for the house on the corner, but people not using it.

Was trying first talk to her, all I got back - screeming "I am parking where I want. Nobody parks there, I don't care."

Then I was trying block space, she was coming and calling to door, screeming and shauting, to move my car.

Here is picture, I made standing with back to offending neighbor house, on the right my house, and that on left is neighbor who's space is there.

https://ibb.co/c3Rg2K

As neighbor have no driving skills(my personal thoughts) , she may park only with front, and only in middle. Was trying ask use parking first from left (neighbors one who's not using spot) , she just shouted, i am parking where i want.

Mar4ix · 17-09-2018 8:13am

And if you look closely, there is trail of dents. Just made picture. Really sick of that. I am thinking just to get insurance policy number, and call our insurance company, pass details over, let them to deal with. What yous think?

https://ibb.co/fGB62K

lawred2 · 17-09-2018 8:18am

christ that's outrageous..

she must be some abject wagon to be ignoring all that

The Bishop Basher · 17-09-2018 8:24am

I would always suggest trying to work it out with the person first but based on what you’re telling us here I think you should just go ahead and call her insurance company.

You have tons of circumstantial evidence for what it’s worth. The pics alone. It’s obviously her and her kids. I wouldn’t bother engaging again. Just call her insurance.

And next time she’s screaming at you door it’s time to call the guards.

Silent Running · 17-09-2018 8:31am

Mar4ix wrote: »

Yes, there is picture.

https://ibb.co/gKBLez

If you look at the corner of the back door in that picture, it looks like the metal is bent inward a bit. Get a good picture of that damage too.

TheBoyConor · 17-09-2018 8:36am

That's it. Just nail her insurance company for the damage and get the most expensive quotes you can find to pin on them.

I can't wait to see her reaction when her renewal comes and she loses her NCB

honda boi · 17-09-2018 10:41am

Let's hope she actually has an insurance policy!
By the sounds of her she might not!!!

Alanstrainor · 17-09-2018 11:03am

Rennaws wrote: »

I would always suggest trying to work it out with the person first but based on what you’re telling us here I think you should just go ahead and call her insurance company.

You have tons of circumstantial evidence for what it’s worth. The pics alone. It’s obviously her and her kids. I wouldn’t bother engaging again. Just call her insurance.

And next time she’s screaming at you door it’s time to call the guards.

Given the exchange the OP has already had, I would go through insurance and provide all the pictures you have here. F**k them. I'd consider having a camera in your house pointing out to those spots from now on, in case they're really nuts.

colm_mcm · 17-09-2018 11:51am

Get a measuring tape too and indicate in photos that the dents are at the correct height.

Be aware that things will get a whole lot more interesting with this person if a claim goes through.

tcawley29 · 17-09-2018 12:27pm

And be sure to get a main dealer to fix this due to her attitude.

People like this deserve the cost to be driven up.

Your car was damaged and it is your right to decide where it gets fixed, not hers or her insurance companies.
You are also entitled to a replacement car while yours is gone too and that should also be covered.

GreeBo · 17-09-2018 12:32pm

Certainly looks like the point of her door is bent back alright.

Until you get this resolved I would park in the left and right spaces but tight to the middle line so she has no where to get in/out.

No point in you getting this fixed until her behaviour changes

_Brian · 17-09-2018 1:39pm

Absolutely go to insurance

It will teach them to be more careful.
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TheBoyConor · 17-09-2018 1:39pm

<Don't suggest defrauding insurance companies please, moderator>

colm_mcm · 17-09-2018 1:53pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Certainly looks like the point of her door is bent back alright.

Until you get this resolved I would park in the left and right spaces but tight to the middle line so she has no where to get in/out.

No point in you getting this fixed until her behaviour changes

I wouldn’t go parking out of the ordinary in the meantime. If the OP is parked right on the line it could be argued that the reason the door is damaged is because the OP parks badly.

corks finest · 17-09-2018 2:04pm

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Rennaws wrote: »

I would always suggest trying to work it out with the person first but based on what you’re telling us here I think you should just go ahead and call her insurance company.

You have tons of circumstantial evidence for what it’s worth. The pics alone. It’s obviously her and her kids. I wouldn’t bother engaging again. Just call her insurance.

And next time she’s screaming at you door it’s time to call the guards.

Given the exchange the OP has already had, I would go through insurance and provide all the pictures you have here. F**k them. I'd consider having a camera in your house pointing out to those spots from now on, in case they're really nuts.

Yeah camera can provide evidence,no it's or buts

GreeBo · 17-09-2018 2:29pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

I wouldn’t go parking out of the ordinary in the meantime. If the OP is parked right on the line it could be argued that the reason the door is damaged is because the OP parks badly.

If you are parked within the lines then the neighbour has no comeback.
There is zero excuse to damage someone elses car, irrespective of how they themselves parked.

Cerco · 17-09-2018 3:01pm

Looking at the photo, it seems the offender is not parked centrally between the lines. Looks careless to me when there are cars using both sides.
It would be hard to set up a camera from Op’s House to capture damage but a dash cam,suitably positioned and continuously powered, might provide evidence.

daheff · 17-09-2018 3:12pm

Mar4ix wrote: »

Actually 3. Myself and girlfriend using two, and third space, for the house on the corner, but people not using it.

AS I understand it there are 3 spaces together.

So are 2 (or 3) of these spaces yours (either assigned by mgmt company/ landlord or part of house purchase (if you bought)) ?

Or are spaces first come first served?

If they are assigned/owned by somebody I'd be talking to the owner of the space your neighbour is parking in and asking them to stop the neighbour parking in it because the neighbour is causing damage to your property (and as they are allowing it they are partly liable).

GreeBo · 17-09-2018 3:19pm

Cerco wrote: »

Looking at the photo, it seems the offender is not parked centrally between the lines. Looks careless to me when there are cars using both sides.
It would be hard to set up a camera from Op’s House to capture damage but a dash cam,suitably positioned and continuously powered, might provide evidence.

OP if the neighbour is usually coming and going at the same time then I'd just sit in the car around that time someday

ted1 · 18-09-2018 9:50am

Cerco wrote: »

Looking at the photo, it seems the offender is not parked centrally between the lines. Looks careless to me when there are cars using both sides.
It would be hard to set up a camera from Op’s House to capture damage but a dash cam,suitably positioned and continuously powered, might provide evidence.

says the person with no kids...
I'm not defending the lady by aslong as she parked between the lines its good, if you have kids getting in and out you allow room for the side that they are on.

op can you explain how the parking spaces are divided from planning point of view, I can't see 1 property getting three spaces and another property getting no spaces.

Kenny Logins · 18-09-2018 10:45am

ted1 wrote: »

op can you explain how the parking spaces are divided from planning point of view, I can't see 1 property getting three spaces and another property getting no spaces.

They're numbered (from left to right) 46, 45, 44. Offender lives in 5 (has no parking??).

ted1 · 18-09-2018 11:00am

Kenny Logins wrote: »

They're numbered (from left to right) 46, 45, 44. Offender lives in 5 (has no parking??).

Parking numbers don’t always match house numbers , actually it’s bad practice and is discouraged.

Are you renting or do you own.
You may need to double check with the landlord at agent what space/s are yours

Are you the op? Did you Change your name.

Kenny Logins · 18-09-2018 11:02am

ted1 wrote: »

Parking numbers don’t always match house numbers , actually it’s bad practice and is discouraged.

Are you renting or do you own.
You may need to double check with the landlord at agent what space/s are yours

Are you the op? Did you Change your name.

No, not me. I just know the location.

meathstevie · 18-09-2018 11:17am

At this stage it looks like it's no longer just a civil damages matter but a criminal matter relating to a driver's duties after an accident or simply malicious damage.

Marcusm · 18-09-2018 12:49pm

meathstevie wrote: »

At this stage it looks like it's no longer just a civil damages matter but a criminal matter relating to a driver's duties after an accident or simply malicious damage.

Can’t see that at all; additionally as it’s a rear passenger door it was not caused by the driver. A parent is not always legally responsible for damage caused by a child. This may very well mean that the insurance company would disclaim any and all responsibility.

All that said, if I or one of my passengers caused such damage, I would own up and ensure the OP was not responsible.

Henry Ford III · 18-09-2018 1:03pm

Marcusm wrote: »

Can’t see that at all; additionally as it’s a rear passenger door it was not caused by the driver. A parent is not always legally responsible for damage caused by a child. This may very well mean that the insurance company would disclaim any and all responsibility.

All that said, if I or one of my passengers caused such damage, I would own up and ensure the OP was not responsible.

The driver is always responsible for damage done by his/her car surely?

Cerco · 18-09-2018 6:23pm

ted1 wrote: »

says the person with no kids...

Don’t make assumptions or silly excuses. I always take responsibility for children
In my car because I am very conscious of what kids can do. I use child locks and open the door myself and let them out. This is what a responsible driver does. By the time they are old enough to get out unaided they too are careful. It is a matter of teaching them respect for other’s property.

Marcusm · 18-09-2018 7:50pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

The driver is always responsible for damage done by his/her car surely?

By virtue of what law and in what circumstances? A driver is generally responsible to if he permits a passenger to open a car door into oncoming traffic. This incident was on private property and involves damage caused as a result of negligence. Unless the driver was the one who opened the door and caused the negligence or contributed to it, I fear the OP may be left swinging by what seems to be a very unfair neighbour.

ted1 · 18-09-2018 7:52pm

Cerco wrote: »

Don’t make assumptions or silly excuses. I always take responsibility for children
In my car because I am very conscious of what kids can do. I use child locks and open the door myself and let them out. This is what a responsible driver does. By the time they are old enough to get out unaided they too are careful. It is a matter of teaching them respect for other’s property.

If you had kids you’d know that it makes no sense to park centrally as it’s hard to load them and also increases the risk of banging doors. Againest other people cars. So making a comment about the car not being parked centrally is just silly.

A responsibile driver won’t park centrally and will allow space.

A responsibile driver would reverse in

Henry Ford III · 18-09-2018 10:29pm

Marcusm wrote:

By virtue of what law and in what circumstances? A driver is generally responsible to if he permits a passenger to open a car door into oncoming traffic. This incident was on private property and involves damage caused as a result of negligence. Unless the driver was the one who opened the door and caused the negligence or contributed to it, I fear the OP may be left swinging by what seems to be a very unfair neighbour.

I'm not a lawyer so I don't know. Why would liability end away from a public road?

GreeBo · 18-09-2018 11:03pm

ted1 wrote: »

A responsibile driver won’t park centrally and will allow space.

Seems like a pretty stupid way to utilize parking spaces tbh Ted.

JustAThought · 18-09-2018 11:15pm

If you had seen it and had just been cleaning or checking the car & knew the damage was hers and witnessed it you would have a fairly 100% claim against her insurance. Assuming shes not on a provisional without Ls up. Either way that dent is savage -persue it through her insurance. We have scumbags like that across the road - damage everyones cars and property but spend thousands on their own car and propetty while letting their kids drag huge goalposts in between other peoples cars. Some peoples double standards and utter contempt for peoples property is profoundly shocking. You cant buy class.

Tom Hardly · 19-09-2018 3:36am

Read through this thread, shocking damage altogether - hope you get it sorted not nice to have your car damaged like that

H3llR4iser · 19-09-2018 11:39am

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I'm not a lawyer so I don't know. Why would liability end away from a public road?

AFAIK, there's an EU ruling that forces insurance companies to cover their customers on private grounds; It was used as a warhorse by anti-EU movements around Europe to try and appeal to car enthusiasts by saying that such rule would cause the end of track days (I kid you not!).

The initial case, IIRC, was actually dealing with an accident happening on a farm, of all things.

Doniekp · 19-09-2018 12:01pm

Could ye put a drop down parking post in your parking spots so she cant park in your parking spot.

https://www.ajproducts.ie/warehouse-industry/security/perimeter-barriers/folding-post/1570306-19434872.wf?productId=19434841&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIr_O3yYHH3QIVxZ3tCh05RABTEAQYAiABEgIhe_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

Neighbour damaging car :(

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