Waterford acid attack

circadian · 01-05-2019 01:05PM

gaelwave wrote: »

No but I think it's fair enough for people to speculate that immigrants are involved when this is a rare occurence in Ireland and seems to be along with knives one of the favoured weapons of the London gangs.

I don't think it's fair to speculate on who done it in any way.

Something bad happens, roll out "Religion of Peace" copypasta until further details are released. Christ.

gaelwave · 01-05-2019 01:05PM

Odhinn wrote: »

...or some eejit could have seen it on the TV/in the papers and thought it a good idea to put the fear of god in people.

Of course that is also a possibility.

gaelwave · 01-05-2019 01:07PM

circadian wrote: »

I don't think it's fair to speculate on who done it in any way.

But you understand how people could make the connection?

circadian · 01-05-2019 02:50PM

gaelwave wrote: »

But you understand how people could make the connection?

Yes, but it is far from logical or reasonable.

beejee · 01-05-2019 03:14PM

circadian wrote: »

Yes, but it is far from logical or reasonable.

So, an event that has recognisable trend and association happens, and in the absence of immediate evidence you think comparison to previous trend and association is NOT logical or reasonable?

How's life in reverso-ville?

As another poster said, it's just dismal and depressing that this thing has happened here at all. Once is too much, but if it starts "trending" then we might as well give up. Not fixing problems already in the country is one thing, adding to them is just laughable.

El_Bee · 01-05-2019 03:17PM

I know I'm going to be absolutely savaged for this, be let me preface that I am in no way victim blaming, NO ONE deserves what happened to those boys, no one, ever. but.... why are 16 year olds out after 11pm at night? we really need to have a discussion on curfews in this country, there are kids under 14 roaming around here some evenings, for their protection we should be considering it.

Billy86 · 01-05-2019 03:18PM

circadian wrote: »

Maybe you should stick to YouTube where you don't have to thinly viel your racism with the use of "culture" or whatever else.

Has there been any publication of the people who done this?

There's no veil in front of Dr Browns racism, same guy point blank refuses to gets taxiif the driver is black, because the driver is black. Fairly straight forward racism to be honest.

Billy86 · 01-05-2019 03:20PM

El_Bee wrote: »

I know I'm going to be absolutely savaged for this, be let me preface that I am in no way victim blaming, NO ONE deserves what happened to those boys, no one, ever. but.... why are 16 year olds out after 11pm at night? we really need to have a discussion on curfews in this country, there are kids under 14 roaming around here some evenings, for their protection we should be considering it.

Can't really say I fully agree, I grew up in Dublin and we were out to around that time over holidays or on weekends all the time from about 12 or 13 onward. By 16 we were out hours and hours after it. Bit of underage drinking and shmoking involved but nothing major or even close to along these lines though, personally 16year olds being out until 11pm wouldn't be something to bother me in and of itself.

El_Bee · 01-05-2019 03:24PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Can't really say I fully agree, I grew up in Dublin and we were out to around that time over holidays or on weekends all the time from about 12 or 13 onward. By 16 we were out hours and hours after it. Bit of underage drinking and shmoking involved but nothing major or even close to along these lines though, personally 16year olds being out until 11pm wouldn't be something to bother me in and of itself.

Well that's kind of a NIMBY attitude, what if there's 7 or 8 of them outside your house at 11:30 at night?

Billy86 · 01-05-2019 03:29PM

El_Bee wrote: »

Well that's kind of a NIMBY attitude, what if there's 7 or 8 of them outside your house at 11:30 at night?

There were 7 or 8 of us outside neighbours houses, and nothing happened. Probably because we weren't up to no good etc outside of said houses (and left the drinking for a field!).

Dr Brown · 01-05-2019 05:24PM

Billy86 wrote: »

There's no veil in front of Dr Browns racism, same guy point blank refuses to gets taxiif the driver is black, because the driver is black. Fairly straight forward racism to be honest.

That's not "racism" you fool.

Have you ever heard the expression "Buy Irish" ?

Also any time I have gotten into a taxi driven by a Non-National it has always cost me more money because they don't know all back streets in Dublin as well as a native Dub.

Dr Brown · 01-05-2019 05:26PM

gaelwave wrote: »

Don't be naive.

The fact the Gardas have ruled out any racist motive indicates that the attackers were from an Immigrant background.

Rezident · 01-05-2019 05:55PM

Sir Oxman wrote: »

I'm pissing in the wind here but I've always thought acid attacks should be minimum 10 years - no extenuating circumstances.

Maybe I'm pissing in the wind too but I have always thought that crimes, in general, should be punished for at least as long as the victim has to suffer the effects. Not necessarily jail for the full term, but community service or road building/chain gangs etc. until the victim's wounds etc. have healed.

The current system never worked particular well but now it is so out of whack with common sense that I can see people losing all respect for The Law, as it is increasingly out of step with reality.

Kermit.de.frog · 01-05-2019 05:59PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

The fact the Gardas have ruled out any racist motive indicates that the attackers were from an Immigrant background.

More likely than not i'd have thought.

Acid attacks have, to the best of my knowledge, never been the modus oporandi of our indigenous scumbags.

Though that might have changed too.

No matter where they are from or their methods scum will be scum unfortunately.

WinnyThePoo · 01-05-2019 05:59PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

Billy86 wrote: »

There's no veil in front of Dr Browns racism, same guy point blank refuses to gets taxiif the driver is black, because the driver is black. Fairly straight forward racism to be honest.

That's not "racism" you fool.

Have you ever heard the expression "Buy Irish" ?

Also any time I have gotten into a taxi driven by a Non-National it has always cost me more money because they don't know all back streets in Dublin as well as a native Dub.

It's over mate. We all know what you are.

rgodard80a · 01-05-2019 06:11PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

The fact the Gardas have ruled out any racist motive indicates that the attackers were from an Immigrant background.

You can't draw that conclusion.

May not be a racial motive, but could be a targeted attack from any racial group.

My gut feeling is they did something to provoke this, or it was some gang thing where someone had to be indoctrinated into a more serious gang by doing something serious to get in.

Dr Brown · 01-05-2019 06:39PM

rgodard80a wrote: »

You can't draw that conclusion.

May not be a racial motive, but could be a targeted attack from any racial group.

My gut feeling is they did something to provoke this, or it was some gang thing where someone had to be indoctrinated into a more serious gang by doing something serious to get in.

I have never heard of any indigenous scumbags carrying out this sort of crime.

While I don't know for sure who did it I would be 90% certain that the suspects are from an Immigrant background.

rgodard80a · 01-05-2019 06:50PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

I have never heard of any indigenous scumbags carrying out this sort of crime.

While I don't know for sure who did it I would be 90% certain that the suspects are from an Immigrant background.

Not contradicting you.

You just saying you can't infer anything from a Garda statement saying it's "not a racial motive".
They could know that it's Irish or Africa gangs targeting them for personal reasons.

Dr Brown · 01-05-2019 06:57PM

rgodard80a wrote: »

Not contradicting you.

You just saying you can't infer anything from a Garda statement saying it's "not a racial motive".
They could know that it's Irish or Africa gangs targeting them for personal reasons.

In the PC climate we live in if a white person attacks a black person its almost always seen as "racist" until proved otherwise.

The fact that Gardas were able to rule out any racist motive tells me that the suspects are not indigenous Irish Scumbags.

RollieFingers · 01-05-2019 07:01PM

rgodard80a wrote: »

You can't draw that conclusion.

May not be a racial motive, but could be a targeted attack from any racial group.

My gut feeling is they did something to provoke this, or it was some gang thing where someone had to be indoctrinated into a more serious gang by doing something serious to get in.

Supposedly it was a case of mistaken identity, the lads who got attacked are not meant to be troublemakers.

hatrickpatrick · 01-05-2019 07:04PM

MAndatory minimum sentences for violent crime. We need them now more than ever.

Everyone always jumps in and shouts "mass incarceration has been a disaster in the US", but that's because of drug dealing and drug possession both leading to violent crime and leading to people being jailed. Legalise drugs, and then introduce mandatory minimums. Scum like this should be locked up until they're too old and frail to be a threat to anybody.

Dr Brown · 01-05-2019 07:09PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

MAndatory minimum sentences for violent crime. We need them now more than ever.

Everyone always jumps in and shouts "mass incarceration has been a disaster in the US", but that's because of drug dealing and drug possession both leading to violent crime and leading to people being jailed. Legalise drugs, and then introduce mandatory minimums. Scum like this should be locked up until they're too old and frail to be a threat to anybody.

There should also be deportations for any Immigrants involved in this sort of crime.

We need to put a stop to this now before Ireland starts to end up like London where these sort of attacks are common place.

El_Bee · 01-05-2019 07:24PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

MAndatory minimum sentences for violent crime. We need them now more than ever.

Everyone always jumps in and shouts "mass incarceration has been a disaster in the US"

I hear this a lot as well, but how exactly has it been a disaster?

batgoat · 01-05-2019 07:29PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

In the PC climate we live in if a white person attacks a black person its almost always seen as "racist" until proved otherwise.

The fact that Gardas were able to rule out any racist motive tells me that the suspects are not indigenous Irish Scumbags.

So basically you're getting excited cause you have an opportunity to go on one of your racist rants.

Billy86 · 01-05-2019 07:32PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

That's not "racism" you fool.

Judging someone on literally nothing butt their race, is racism. Whether it is a Nigerian migrant, or any of the Irish born citizens who are black (and Irish) judging someone solely on the colour of their skin is, by definition, racist.

1. a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another

You're a self confessed racist and so your opinions on race are useless. It is what it is, and you are what you are. Maybe make a new account and pretend to be someone else, I'm sure you've never tried that before.

Dr Brown · 01-05-2019 07:47PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Judging someone on literally nothing butt their race, is racism. Whether it is a Nigerian migrant, or any of the Irish born citizens who are black (and Irish) judging someone solely on the colour of their skin is, by definition, racist.

1. a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another

You're a self confessed racist and so your opinions on race are useless. It is what it is, and you are what you are. Maybe make a new account and pretend to be someone else, I'm sure you've never tried that before.

I don't "judge" anyone I just pick an Irish taxi driver whenever I can.

Your basically saying that "Buying Irish" is racist.

Dr Brown · 01-05-2019 07:49PM

batgoat wrote: »

So basically you're getting excited cause you have an opportunity to go on one of your racist rants.

How could anyone be "excited" about this sort of vile crime.

It's shocking in the extreme.

Dr Brown · 01-05-2019 07:51PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Judging someone on literally nothing butt their race, is racism. Whether it is a Nigerian migrant, or any of the Irish born citizens who are black (and Irish) judging someone solely on the colour of their skin is, by definition, racist.

1. a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or who believes that a particular race is superior to another

You're a self confessed racist and so your opinions on race are useless. It is what it is, and you are what you are. Maybe make a new account and pretend to be someone else, I'm sure you've never tried that before.

Can you show me where I said I was a "racist" ? because you won't find it.

batgoat · 01-05-2019 07:52PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

I don't "judge" anyone I just pick an Irish taxi driver whenever I can.

Your basically saying that "Buying Irish" is racist.

We know entirely where you stand, it's well established.

Billy86 · 01-05-2019 07:59PM

Dr Brown wrote: »

I don't "judge" anyone I just pick an Irish taxi driver whenever I can.

Your basically saying that "Buying Irish" is racist.[/quote]
You're not "buying Irish" though, you're "buying white". You would turn down a taxi from an Irish driver who is black and instead would go with a foreign driver who is white, because you are judging them on their skin colour as you have already said.

That's the definition of racism, because so at least have the courage to defend your racism for what it is, because while the two often go hand in hand, you don't have to be a racist and a coward.

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