Official complaint against primary school teacher

QuadaLumpins · 07-05-2019 08:08AM #1

What are the procedures for making an official conplaint against a primary school teacher?

I’ve already spoken to the school principle and getting constantly fobbed off.

The school has a parents council and strong Catholic involvement from local priest.

spurious · 07-05-2019 09:04AM

To start with, you would have to put your complaints in writing. Verbal complaints are not recorded.

Be very careful how you word things, for your own sake.

Danzy · 07-05-2019 09:07AM

The usually treat them very seriously bar the ones from the usual suspects with too much time on their hands and time to fester.

Charles Ingles · 07-05-2019 09:08AM

Waste of time, teachers are untouchable unfortunately

QuadaLumpins · 07-05-2019 09:35AM

spurious wrote: »

To start with, you would have to put your complaints in writing. Verbal complaints are not recorded.

Be very careful how you word things, for your own sake.

Could you elaborate on the be very careful comment please?

spurious · 07-05-2019 10:12AM

QuadaLumpins wrote: »

Could you elaborate on the be very careful comment please?

Without knowing what sort of a complaint it is, I can just say if it is on the more serious end of the scale, be careful you can absolutely back up any allegation you put in writing.

If it is very serious, perhaps go directly to the guards. It's difficult to advise without knowing what sort of a complaint it is. Schools get all sorts.

QuadaLumpins · 07-05-2019 11:00AM

spurious wrote: »

Without knowing what sort of a complaint it is, I can just say if it is on the more serious end of the scale, be careful you can absolutely back up any allegation you put in writing.

If it is very serious, perhaps go directly to the guards. It's difficult to advise without knowing what sort of a complaint it is. Schools get all sorts.

Ah ok, I understand.

It’s not that serious I suppose. Definitely nothing for the Guards.

tedpan · 07-05-2019 11:49AM

QuadaLumpins wrote:

Itâ€™s not that serious I suppose. Definitely nothing for the Guards.

Is it worth getting someone fired for then?

evolving_doors · 07-05-2019 01:15PM

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Waste of time, teachers are untouchable unfortunately

What are you raving about. A serious allegation can mean a teacher has to be suspended pending full investigation. Also they can be asked in any future interviews if they ever had any allegations made against them (even if found to be unfounded). Plus the gossip that follows.

QuadaLumpins · 07-05-2019 02:14PM

tedpan wrote: »

Is it worth getting someone fired for then?

Who said anything about getting someone fired?

tedpan · 07-05-2019 03:31PM

QuadaLumpins wrote:

Who said anything about getting someone fired?

QuadaLumpins wrote:

Iâ€™ve already spoken to the school principle and getting constantly fobbed off.

Your title says you would like to make an an official complaint, you've already raised the issue with the principal. If you don't want the teacher gone, what's your objective?

QuadaLumpins · 07-05-2019 04:23PM

tedpan wrote: »

Your title says you would like to make an an official complaint, you've already raised the issue with the principal. If you don't want the teacher gone, what's your objective?

When has any official complaint made against a teacher ... excluding one that involves illegality such as child abuse ... resulted in a teacher losing their job?

I’d be surprised if you can give me even one example.

byhookorbycrook · 07-05-2019 05:28PM

QuadaLumpins wrote: »

When has any official complaint made against a teacher ... excluding one that involves illegality such as child abuse ... resulted in a teacher losing their job?

I’d be surprised if you can give me even one example.

https://www.thejournal.ie/teacher-sellotape-mouths-students-4180274-Aug2018/

If a complaint is upheld, then yes,the teacher can indeed lose their job. Cases were previously not open to media, but with the advent of the Teaching Council such cases can be made public.

Under the Act, it is a matter for the Teaching Council to decide if it is in the public interest to publish the finding, or findings, of the Panel and/or any sanction decided on by the Panel. If the Council decides that it is in the public interest to publish, details will be placed on the Council’s website.

The Teaching Council does not comment on individual cases.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/first-fitness-to-teach-public-hearing-to-start-in-november-1.3271894

I'm not sure of the relevance of the school having a Parent's Council is or that there is a priest on the BOM.

In any case, you must follow the correct procedure for complaints:
https://www.into.ie/ROI/InfoforTeachers/ParentTeacherRelations/INTOManagementComplaintsProcedure/

Have you followed those steps?

the14thwarrior · 07-05-2019 05:35PM

if you tell us what the complaint is, it would allow us to give an informed opinion on the circumstances and the procedure to follow ........which i know on boards amounts to...................... build a bridge and get over it or.............sue the s*it out of them

Tedheckles · 07-05-2019 05:36PM

In order to make a complaint you must follow standard procedure which is
1. Contact with teacher, if this does not resolve the issue
2 contact with principal and if again issue is not resolved
3. official complaint to Board of Management

You must follow procedure as outlined above or your complaint could be disregarded.

Google it and you'll find full outline on INTO page

whelan2 · 07-05-2019 05:46PM

Tedheckles wrote: »

In order to make a complaint you must follow standard procedure which is
1. Contact with teacher, if this does not resolve the issue
2 contact with principal and if again issue is not resolved
3. official complaint to Board of Management

You must follow procedure as outlined above or your complaint could be disregarded.

Google it and you'll find full outline on INTO page

Failing any outcome from these you go to dept of education or whatever it is called now. If you do send in a letter to the school make sure everything is correct. I got mine sent back as I hadn't followed the procedure correctly. I then followed the procedure correctly and met principal and teacher separately.

touts · 07-05-2019 05:54PM

QuadaLumpins wrote: »

What are the procedures for making an official conplaint against a primary school teacher?

I’ve already spoken to the school principle and getting constantly fobbed off.

The school has a parents council and strong Catholic involvement from local priest.

Parents council has no role in these matters although many Parents Association chairs think they do. Getting them involved will just make things public without any progress.

The local Priest likewise has no real power and most don't want to be involved in such things.

The Board of Management of the school is the next step after the principal.

mtoutlemonde · 07-05-2019 06:03PM

You obviously don't want to get the teacher fired - what exactly do you want? Do you realise how much stress you will bring this teacher? Do you want to push them to the edge that they are forced to resign or retire? Can you stand over your complaint if the teacher does something drastic? Nobody is perfect. Maybe you're one of these helicopter parents whose little Johnny can do no wrong and the teacher is wrong and ready to pounce. Have other parents a problem with this teacher? Having a priest on BOM is completely normal at primary level as is having a nun/christian brother etc. on a BOM of a post primary school. Remember the catholic church were the founders of education in Ireland. Obviously I wouldn't be saying this if it was sexual/physical abuse but you've said that it isn't.

ForestFire · 07-05-2019 06:23PM

tedpan wrote: »

Is it worth getting someone fired for then?

It's not the op that would get them fired. It would be the teachers actions, if deemed necessary?

If something happens, small or big, the op should feel comfortable to report it without feeling threaten or guilty about it.

It should then be decided if any action is needed or not or further explanation to the parent if misunderstanding etc.

We should encoarge openness and reporting, especially we're kids are involved, not suppression.

byhookorbycrook · 07-05-2019 06:51PM

That's why there's a complaints procedure.

scooby77 · 07-05-2019 08:52PM

Tedheckles wrote: »

In order to make a complaint you must follow standard procedure which is
1. Contact with teacher, if this does not resolve the issue
2 contact with principal and if again issue is not resolved
3. official complaint to Board of Management

You must follow procedure as outlined above or your complaint could be disregarded.

Google it and you'll find full outline on INTO page

This is true, whether the school has a complaints procedure in place or not. It's part of an agreement between all relevant parties in the early 1980's. The exception would of course a complaint of a criminal nature or one covered under child protection procedures.
The Teaching Council was mentioned early, assume the reference was to "Fitness to practice" The Teaching Council will only investigate if "Local Procedures " ie those above have been exhausted. Again they could make an exception in criminal or child protection cases.

Anecdotally many schools and indeed teachers are open to the idea of independent mediation. I've never experienced it professionally, but feedback at various fora would suggest it's often very successful. I'd recommend suggesting to principal or BOM if other avenues fail.

RealJohn · 08-05-2019 12:23PM

As has been pointed out, it's difficult to advise without more details.
Is the teacher bullying your kid?
Are they just not teaching very well?
Are they not giving your kid enough attention?
Not giving them enough feedback?
Did they say something they shouldn't but it was a one off?

You could give more details without giving the game away.

is_that_so · 08-05-2019 12:34PM

I think the OP needs to expand on whether it's a personal or a general issue with the teacher. If it is to do with your child, will it be the same teacher next year? If not I'd move on and put it behind you.

eurokev · 08-05-2019 12:35PM

I'd say looking at the op's post history it's down to the young lad not getting enough game time in a recent gaa blitz.

Total snowflake stuff.

Wabbit Ears · 08-05-2019 12:39PM

eurokev wrote:

I'd say looking at the op's post history it's down to the young lad not getting enough game time in a recent gaa blitz.

Hell hath no fury like a bored parent with to much time on their hands.

whelan2 · 08-05-2019 12:45PM

eurokev wrote: »

I'd say looking at the op's post history it's down to the young lad not getting enough game time in a recent gaa blitz.

Total snowflake stuff.

Ha, my young lad was told yesterday he wasn't picked for the team as he's too short! Never thought of writing a complaint.

is_that_so · 08-05-2019 12:48PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Ha, my young lad was told yesterday he wasn't picked for the team as he's too short! Never thought of writing a complaint.

Now you have an excuse to feed him even more veg and stuff he won't eat!:)

QuadaLumpins · 08-05-2019 03:20PM

eurokev wrote: »

I'd say looking at the op's post history it's down to the young lad not getting enough game time in a recent gaa blitz.

Total snowflake stuff.

That is pretty sad to be honest. Do you have nothing better to be doing than trawling my post history?

I’m also not sure why many here seem so resistant to anyone criticizing or making complaint against a teacher. Seems a very strange pedagogical position for a teacher to take????

And for the record ... My complaint was about a different more serious issue involving bullying and disrespect of a child which I will not be discussing in more detail here.

Thanks to all those who gave a useful reply to my op. To the others who gave less useful replies I’d suggest reflecting on why you don’t want criticism or comment from parents.

QuadaLumpins · 08-05-2019 03:42PM

ForestFire wrote: »

It's not the op that would get them fired. It would be the teachers actions, if deemed necessary?

If something happens, small or big, the op should feel comfortable to report it without feeling threaten or guilty about it.

It should then be decided if any action is needed or not or further explanation to the parent if misunderstanding etc.

We should encoarge openness and reporting, especially we're kids are involved, not suppression.

To the people calling me names and personally abusing me ... have a read of the above.

eurokev · 08-05-2019 03:45PM

QuadaLumpins wrote:

That is pretty sad to be honest. Do you have nothing better to be doing than trawling my post history?

Lol, yeah I'm the sad one.

G'luck with your victimisation crusade

QuadaLumpins · 08-05-2019 03:45PM

eurokev wrote: »

Lol, yeah I'm the sad one.

G'luck with your victimisation crusade

Are you a primary school teacher kev?

eurokev · 08-05-2019 03:49PM

QuadaLumpins wrote:

Are you a primary school teacher kev?

No

My wife and a lot of friends are though. I hear a lot of stories about parents like yourself as a result.

I've also trained hundreds of youngsters, and encountered a few of said parents myself in this setting also.

QuadaLumpins · 08-05-2019 03:53PM

eurokev wrote: »

No

My wife and a lot of friends are though. I hear a lot of stories about parents like yourself as a result.

I've also trained hundreds of youngsters, and encountered a few of said parents myself in this setting also.

Ah now it makes sense

Just to clarify ... you are saying I shouldnt be making a complaint against a teacher who is blatantly bullying a child?? (Not just me saying this btw ... a few other parents are joining in the complaint).

Tommy Kelly · 08-05-2019 03:54PM

eurokev wrote: »

No

My wife and a lot of friends are though. I hear a lot of stories about parents like yourself as a result.

I've also trained hundreds of youngsters, and encountered a few of said parents myself in this setting also.

You don't even know what the complaint is and you're already taking sides and being a total knob about it too.

eurokev · 08-05-2019 03:57PM

QuadaLumpins wrote:

Just to clarify ... you are saying I shouldnt be making a complaint against a teacher who is blatantly bullying a child??

No, as you said you wouldn't discuss.

I assumed because you gave out 2 days ago about the lad not getting enough of a run in a blitz that that was the reason.

I've obviously assumed wrongly, but you haven't furnished any details so I can't comment.
If you want to post details for a fair discussion then work away

QuadaLumpins · 08-05-2019 04:02PM

eurokev wrote: »

No, as you said you wouldn't discuss.

I assumed because you gave out 2 days ago about the lad not getting enough of a run in a blitz that that was the reason.

I've obviously assumed wrongly, but you haven't furnished any details so I can't comment.
If you want to post details for a fair discussion then work away

Ok ... totally understood. Mistakes happen and it’s easy to be misunderstood based on a short post. I didn’t want to say too much as it’s a complicated situation and I’m just trying to do the right thing here. The last thing I want is anyone hurt or fired.

Miaireland · 08-05-2019 05:04PM

If it is impacting on your child's school attendance or you are concerned that they might not want to go to school because of the issue it might be worth contacting a School Welfare Officer for advice.

whelan2 · 08-05-2019 05:05PM

QuadaLumpins wrote: »

Ah now it makes sense

Just to clarify ... you are saying I shouldnt be making a complaint against a teacher who is blatantly bullying a child?? (Not just me saying this btw ... a few other parents are joining in the complaint).

Do not under any circumstances mention other parents when making your complaint. You are dealing with your child only.

Aquals · 08-05-2019 09:45PM

Unfortunately QuadaLumpins there can often be a bit of a “boy who cried wolf” scenario in many schools. Because a minority of parents will complain to the school and teachers when there is absolutely no need to, others that have genuine complaints might not be taken as seriously as you’d like to be. It looks like that’s what’s happened here in this thread anyway!

You’d be surprised at how much of a teachers time is taken up by silly complaints from parents!

RealJohn · 09-05-2019 05:54AM

QuadaLumpins wrote: »

Just to clarify ... you are saying I shouldnt be making a complaint against a teacher who is blatantly bullying a child?? (Not just me saying this btw ... a few other parents are joining in the complaint).

It's highly unlikely a teacher is bullying a child. Not impossible, but highly unlikely. Far more likely is that the child is disruptive on a regular basis, and that the teacher has attempted to deal with this themselves, in a way the child doesn't like. Some of the other children are siding with the child, which could be for various reasons but it's usually as simple as backing your own peer group over the teacher when it comes down to it.

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that the teacher definitely isn't bullying the child, but ask yourself why would they? We, as teachers, have more than enough on our plates without singling students out for unfair treatment for no reason. The child who you're alleging is being bullied is very likely provoking a response from the teacher. Whether that response is appropriate or not is something I don't know without specifics. It's possible it's not, but that doesn't make it bullying.

In fact, if a bunch of students and their parents (most of whom have nothing to do with the alleged bullying, based on what you're saying) are banding together to make a complaint, and saying that the child is doing nothing wrong, you might want to question who is bullying whom.

Like I said, it's possible that the teacher is bullying your child. I won't tell you that it doesn't happen, but it's a tiny proportion of the time. Children throw the word "bullying" around for everything these days though. I would suggest you proceed very careful with any complaint you make against a teacher. Quite aside from the damage it can do to the teacher, it's damaging to your child if they start believing you'll back them and their behaviour not matter what the circumstances.

Sheep breeder · 09-05-2019 06:39AM

RealJohn wrote: »

It's highly unlikely a teacher is bullying a child. Not impossible, but highly unlikely. Far more likely is that the child is disruptive on a regular basis, and that the teacher has attempted to deal with this themselves, in a way the child doesn't like. Some of the other children are siding with the child, which could be for various reasons but it's usually as simple as backing your own peer group over the teacher when it comes down to it.

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that the teacher definitely isn't bullying the child, but ask yourself why would they? We, as teachers, have more than enough on our plates without singling students out for unfair treatment for no reason. The child who you're alleging is being bullied is very likely provoking a response from the teacher. Whether that response is appropriate or not is something I don't know without specifics. It's possible it's not, but that doesn't make it bullying.

In fact, if a bunch of students and their parents (most of whom have nothing to do with the alleged bullying, based on what you're saying) are banding together to make a complaint, and saying that the child is doing nothing wrong, you might want to question who is bullying whom.

Like I said, it's possible that the teacher is bullying your child. I won't tell you that it doesn't happen, but it's a tiny proportion of the time. Children throw the word "bullying" around for everything these days though. I would suggest you proceed very careful with any complaint you make against a teacher. Quite aside from the damage it can do to the teacher, it's damaging to your child if they start believing you'll back them and their behaviour not matter what the circumstances.

Agree with what your saying, but a lot of problems start with poor teachers and their attitude to kids, a couple of years back we had a problem with a boy in class bullying the girls splitting and biting etc and the teacher was doing nothing due to the child’s mother was a yummy mummy and deemed important for fund raising and took a while to sort. Two years later had the young teacher who spent much of the time in makeup mode and coppers and phone in class was not teaching and kids getting bored and hating school. A lot is down to talking to the principal.

Pawwed Rig · 09-05-2019 06:47AM

RealJohn wrote: »

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that the teacher definitely isn't bullying the child, but ask yourself why would they? We, as teachers, have more than enough on our plates without singling students out for unfair treatment for no reason. The child who you're alleging is being bullied is very likely provoking a response from the teacher. Whether that response is appropriate or not is something I don't know without specifics. It's possible it's not, but that doesn't make it bullying.

Going back to my own school days there were a number of the teachers in my school who were bullies. Ask yourself why would they? Some people are vindictive that is why. I would hope it has changed over the years but there will always be bad eggs.

KikiLaRue · 09-05-2019 06:52AM

RealJohn wrote: »

It's highly unlikely a teacher is bullying a child. Not impossible, but highly unlikely. Far more likely is that the child is disruptive on a regular basis, and that the teacher has attempted to deal with this themselves, in a way the child doesn't like. Some of the other children are siding with the child, which could be for various reasons but it's usually as simple as backing your own peer group over the teacher when it comes down to it.

Please don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that the teacher definitely isn't bullying the child, but ask yourself why would they? We, as teachers, have more than enough on our plates without singling students out for unfair treatment for no reason. The child who you're alleging is being bullied is very likely provoking a response from the teacher. Whether that response is appropriate or not is something I don't know without specifics. It's possible it's not, but that doesn't make it bullying.

In fact, if a bunch of students and their parents (most of whom have nothing to do with the alleged bullying, based on what you're saying) are banding together to make a complaint, and saying that the child is doing nothing wrong, you might want to question who is bullying whom.

Like I said, it's possible that the teacher is bullying your child. I won't tell you that it doesn't happen, but it's a tiny proportion of the time. Children throw the word "bullying" around for everything these days though. I would suggest you proceed very careful with any complaint you make against a teacher. Quite aside from the damage it can do to the teacher, it's damaging to your child if they start believing you'll back them and their behaviour not matter what the circumstances.

This is BS. There are plenty of teachers out there with serious issues who take them out on kids they teach. It happened me in fifth class and was so bad that when I found out I was to have that teacher again for sixth class I knew I couldn’t do another year of it.

With no other primary schools in the area, I ended up skipping sixth and going straight to secondary (lucky I was smart enough to do that) Never had an issue with any other teacher and I totally resent the assumption that the problem was more likely me than her.

You don’t know anything about what goes on in any classroom outside of your own.

It’s very apparent from the posters here that they are more concerned about the teacher than the child. What if the child felt they couldn’t cope and started self-harming? Why all this concern for the grown adult and no similar concerns expressed for the student?

evolving_doors · 09-05-2019 07:24AM

God I love these threads.

Nobody except the OP knows nothing, and even then the OP's version probably isn't the full story.

Just ask the school for the complaints procedure OP and away ya go.

Usually it's up the chain.
Teacher
Principal
BOM

unless it's serious child protection then it's designated person in the school (usually principal), or ring Tusla

RealJohn · 09-05-2019 07:27AM

KikiLaRue wrote: »

You don’t know anything about what goes on in any classroom outside of your own.

It’s very apparent from the posters here that they are more concerned about the teacher than the child. What if the child felt they couldn’t cope and started self-harming? Why all this concern for the grown adult and no similar concerns expressed for the student?

You actually get to know a lot about what goes on in classrooms outside of your own, because time and again, when teachers actually talk about individual incidents, you see similarities with incidents you actually have witnessed, and get to realise it's not just you.

I'm more concerned about the teacher, because I've been teaching a pretty long time, and I know what students and parents are like. Like I said, "bullying" is a term students throw around very easily, and they rarely use it correctly. Students have told me I'm bullying them so many times I've lost count. Mostly, it's things like I asked them to take their coat off (like everyone else) or to open their book (imagine that), or because I had to raise my voice because they ignored me the two times I asked them to do something without raising my voice.
Occasionally, they were more serious about it, thinking that I actually did have a personal problem with them, and was going out of my way to single them out. It's never been the truth though, even if they thought it was, which is why I'm inclined to side with the teacher.

I said that it's possible that the teacher is bullying the child. I didn't say it never happens. I'm not saying it didn't happen to you, nor that it isn't happening to the OP's kid.
Students are very poor judges of a lot of things though. They're children, and doubly so in the case of primary school students. There might be bullying going on, but it's far more likely that there isn't, in my experience. Without knowing the specifics, nobody here can know. My experience tells me that it's unlikely that the teacher is bullying the student though.

KikiLaRue · 09-05-2019 07:38AM

RealJohn wrote: »

You actually get to know a lot about what goes on in classrooms outside of your own, because time and again, when teachers actually talk about individual incidents, you see similarities with incidents you actually have witnessed, and get to realise it's not just you.

I'm more concerned about the teacher, because I've been teaching a pretty long time, and I know what students and parents are like. Like I said, "bullying" is a term students throw around very easily, and they rarely use it correctly. Students have told me I'm bullying them so many times I've lost count. Mostly, it's things like I asked them to take their coat off (like everyone else) or to open their book (imagine that), or because I had to raise my voice because they ignored me the two times I asked them to do something without raising my voice.
Occasionally, they were more serious about it, thinking that I actually did have a personal problem with them, and was going out of my way to single them out. It's never been the truth though, even if they thought it was, which is why I'm inclined to side with the teacher.

I said that it's possible that the teacher is bullying the child. I didn't say it never happens. I'm not saying it didn't happen to you, nor that it isn't happening to the OP's kid.
Students are very poor judges of a lot of things though. They're children, and doubly so in the case of primary school students. There might be bullying going on, but it's far more likely that there isn't, in my experience. Without knowing the specifics, nobody here can know. My experience tells me that it's unlikely that the teacher is bullying the student though.

This is such a load of BS. Teachers stick together in all things, even when they have almost no details on the actual scenario as is the case here.

Complain about helicopter parents, discredit the kids, justify your own aggressive behaviour away and still assume you’re in the right. It’s actually frightening how cocksure of yourself you are.

Oh “your experience” tells you this parent is wrong. My experience is that a lot of teachers love a good power trip.

In any other work environment an accusation of bullying would be taken extremely seriously, particularly where a child is involved. But teachers’ performance isn’t managed like any other sector - an inspection maybe once a year where you put the fear of god into the kids and that’s it.

There are a lot of bad teachers out there. “My experience” is that they are the ones who never actually wanted to be teachers, who went down that route for the pension and the perks rather than any actual desire to teach.

There are plenty of them out there and you’re delusional if you think otherwise based on your own limited and extremely biased experience.

RealJohn · 09-05-2019 07:41AM

A lot of personal attacks there Kiki. Want to have a think about that post again?
I wonder if I was a doctor, talking about my experience, would you be so dismissive of it.

KikiLaRue · 09-05-2019 07:51AM

RealJohn wrote: »

A lot of personal attacks there Kiki. Want to have a think about that post again?
I wonder if I was a doctor, talking about my experience, would you be so dismissive of it.

If a child made an accusation that a doctor treated him or her badly, I would take it extremely seriously.

No, I stand by my post- but there is a report function if you would like to let a Mod decide.

spurious · 09-05-2019 07:58AM

On a mobile so without my superpowers, but let's remember what forum we are in.

I think the OP's question has been answered a few times now. There are other forums where venting about teachers is more appropriate. Thanks.

micks_address · 09-05-2019 08:07AM

Allegations made against teachers are taken very seriously. Child protection rules mean they have to be properly documented and presented to the schools board or management.

I guess it will all depend on the school. If you have talked to the principal and said you are looking to make an allegation against a teacher then I'd be very surprised if they fobbed you off.

KikiLaRue · 09-05-2019 08:08AM

spurious wrote: »

On a mobile so without my superpowers, but let's remember what forum we are in.

I think the OP's question has been answered a few times now. There are other forums where venting about teachers is more appropriate. Thanks.

Of course. God forbid a teacher's attitude or actions should ever be questioned.

No need to come back with a ban spurious, I'm out.

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