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Peter Mcverrys support for syringe criminal.

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  • #32
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Kilboor wrote: »
    Should we execute him?

    At least a 10 year mandatory sentence for anyone who threatens someone with a syringe full of their blood.

    Absolute pond life offers nothing to anyone in society.

    Actually yes, we should execute vermin like this.


  • #33
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    I don't like that McVerry lad.


  • #34
    Kilboor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Kilboor


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    At least a 10 year mandatory sentence for anyone who threatens someone with a syringe full of their blood.

    Absolute pond life offers nothing to anyone in society.

    Actually yes, we should execute vermin like this.

    Interesting, a Duterte type policy so?


  • #35
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,410 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    At least a 10 year mandatory sentence for anyone who threatens someone with a syringe full of their blood.

    Absolute pond life offers nothing to anyone in society.

    Actually yes, we should execute vermin like this.




    The "good old days" when penaltys were harsh, brutal and often effectively a death sentence outside of execution.



    Didn't work.


  • #36
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    3 years with two suspended for holding a syringe to someone is reasonable?


    Ahhhh I’m so glad the poor lad is doing ok now after his 17 convictions.

    Who cares about the victim, it’s all about the poor lad ay.

    I find it strange that you are focused 100% on the scumbag yet are angry because you perceive that not enough focus is on the victim...

    Then you go to mandatory minimum sentences to execution in a matter of words. That's emotion talking. There's no logic involved what so ever.

    Do you have any evidence to suggest that your radical methodology would work?


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  • #37
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Odhinn wrote: »
    The "good old days" when penaltys were harsh, brutal and often effectively a death sentence outside of execution.



    Didn't work.

    What do you suggest?


  • #38
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/damien-reilly-courts-syringe-robbery-4623994-May2019/

    “A MAN WHO threatened to stab a woman with a syringe needle during a robbery has been jailed for three years”


    “The defence also presented a letter from Fr Peter McVerry saying that Reilly was stable and doing well in his drug rehabilitation”



    Peter Mcverry in my eyes is a hypocrite who loves the limelight.

    Giving a letter in court to support a scumbag who held up a women with a syringe.

    The man had 17 previous convictions.

    I’ve heard he also pays fines out of charity money for low life’s.

    Can’t stand the man and his self righteous attitude.


    Mc verry is a demagogue of the highest order and of course a Saint amongst the left wing media who never fail to join him for a game of softball

    Recall him being interviewed on radio by Ray D'Arcy and claiming that evictions and repossession of homes should be illegal, obviously D'Arcy never said a word

    Tedious communist


  • #39
    Deebles McBeebles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,966 ✭✭✭Deebles McBeebles


    Dale Doback wrote: »
    I don't like that McVerry lad.

    He's not McVerry likeable.


  • #40
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Cassandra Red Slammer wrote: »
    I find it strange that you are focused 100% on the scumbag yet are angry because you perceive that not enough focus is on the victim...

    Then you go to mandatory minimum sentences to execution in a matter of words. That's emotion talking. There's no logic involved what so ever.

    Do you have any evidence to suggest that your radical methodology would work?

    OP scumbag has 17 previous convictions. Execute him or incarcarate him indefinetly and he's not likely to get a nineteenth.


  • #41
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,410 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    What do you suggest?


    Ultimately drug abuse (and in particular heroin use) is the result of "self medication". If you had a hall full of junkies and took out the ones who had been sexually abused or through some form of trauma, it would be near enough empty. In short it means a more pro-active set of social services, the provision of real facilities for those taken into care, and improved access to pyschiartic services in working class and deprived areas.


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  • #42
    Squatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Squatter


    Odhinn wrote: »

    The "good old days" when penaltys were harsh, brutal and often effectively a death sentence outside of execution.

    Didn't work.


    In that case, how come there's none of them still around?

    100% success rate if you ask me!


  • #43
    KikiLaRue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Ultimately drug abuse (and in particular heroin use) is the result of "self medication". If you had a hall full of junkies and took out the ones who had been sexually abused or through some form of trauma, it would be near enough empty. In short it means a more pro-active set of social services, the provision of real facilities for those taken into care, and improved access to pyschiartic services in working class and deprived areas.

    18 comes after 17.


  • #44
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Ultimately drug abuse (and in particular heroin use) is the result of "self medication". If you had a hall full of junkies and took out the ones who had been sexually abused or through some form of trauma, it would be near enough empty. In short it means a more pro-active set of social services, the provision of real facilities for those taken into care, and improved access to pyschiartic services in working class and deprived areas.

    So all junkies were sexually abused!!!!????


    Jesus I’ve heard all the excuses now.


  • #45
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,410 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    18 comes after 17.




    ..ye wha?


  • #46
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,900 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    You really have a bee in your bonnet about the homeless OP, every 2nd thread from you, literally


  • #47
    Odhinn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,410 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    So all junkies were sexually abused!!!!????


    Jesus I’ve heard all the excuses now.


    I didn't say that. If you're going to misrepresent what I post there's not much point in continuing.


  • #48
    Squatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Squatter


    Odhinn wrote: »
    ..ye wha?

    Presumably a response to the excitable:
    OP scumbag has 17 previous convictions. Execute him or incarcarate him indefinetly and he's not likely to get a nineteenth.


  • #49
    KikiLaRue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Ultimately drug abuse (and in particular heroin use) is the result of "self medication". If you had a hall full of junkies and took out the ones who had been sexually abused or through some form of trauma, it would be near enough empty. In short it means a more pro-active set of social services, the provision of real facilities for those taken into care, and improved access to pyschiartic services in working class and deprived areas.

    Excellent post.

    The Portuguese model of decriminalisation has also massively reduced their heroin problem. They decided to treat addiction as a health problem rather than a crime and the results have been extraordinary.


  • #50
    [Deleted User]
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    OP scumbag has 17 previous convictions. Execute him or incarcarate him indefinetly and he's not likely to get a nineteenth.
    Just want to point out a small thing here. The media report figures like this without looking into it. 17 convictions probably don't relate to one crime, but it's quite normal for one crime to be recorded as several convictions, because the crime relates to various diverse breaches of the law.

    Also bear in mind that most heroin addicts with criminal records have (or have had) various bench warrants for eg not paying a fine, all of which can add up.

    Figures like this often give the impression that a person has been convicted of seventeen different crimes, but in fact he may only have been in court on three or four occasions.


  • #51
    El_Bee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    So all junkies were sexually abused!!!!????


    Jesus I’ve heard all the excuses now.




    I still laugh when I read "he was a promising footballer/sportsman" in the court section of the Herald again and again, clown world.


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  • #52
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    18 comes after 17.

    He's been charged with mugging someone, he had 17 previous convictions, 17 plus one is eighteen. The next one would be 19. :rolleyes::rolleyes: Maths, eh?


  • #53
    begbysback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    Excellent post.

    The Portuguese model of decriminalisation has also massively reduced their heroin problem. They decided to treat addiction as a health problem rather than a crime and the results have been extraordinary.

    Please don’t post rational and proven successful solutions on here, you’re ruining wheeliebins rampage


  • #54
    KikiLaRue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    begbysback wrote: »
    Please don’t post rational and proven successful solutions on here, you’re ruining wheeliebins rampage

    It's a shame Ireland isn't progressive enough to introduce this evidence-based model.


  • #55
    El_Bee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Just want to point out a small thing here. The media report figures like this without looking into it. 17 convictions probably don't relate to one crime, but it's quite normal for one crime to be recorded as several convictions, because the crime relates to various diverse breaches of the law.

    Also bear in mind that most heroin addicts with criminal records have (or have had) various bench warrants for eg not paying a fine, all of which can add up.

    Figures like this often give the impression that a person has been convicted of seventeen different crimes, but in fact he may only have been in court on three or four occasions.


    It could be, or he could have mugged 17 people in a row, either way he's a drain on society, should he be thrown in a dark cell for the rest of his life? No. Should society be given a break from him and others like him? yes. It's weird how we look at mugging as a "petty" crime, victims of muggings are left with extreme anxiety and fear, some for the rest of their lives, venturing outside especially in the area where they were mugged can be extremely difficult, but we just shrug "ah he/she was only mugged, it's not like they were raped or murdered". A lot of people say rehabilitation is the key, let me ask you, given our track record, does anyone truly believe that a proper rehabilitation program can be set up in our banana republic? Considering our Judicial system is a joke and reform there is an impossibility, why would rehabilitation be different?


  • #56
    SouthDublin6w
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    KikiLaRue wrote: »
    Excellent post.

    The Portuguese model of decriminalisation has also massively reduced their heroin problem. They decided to treat addiction as a health problem rather than a crime and the results have been extraordinary.

    Irish people would rather use the moral stand point of all addicts are bad, lock them up throw away the key. The scientific analysis of addition is it is an illness, harm reduction ethos applied by most services for client service users will be what will lower active addicts on the streets and in turn lower a crime rate.

    Addicts deserve a chance to change their lives, while saying this nobody is condoning their actions while in addiction.


  • #57
    SouthDublin6w
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 203 ✭✭SouthDublin6w


    El_Bee wrote: »
    It could be, or he could have mugged 17 people in a row, either way he's a drain on society, should he be thrown in a dark cell for the rest of his life? No. Should society be given a break from him and others like him? yes. It's weird how we look at mugging as a "petty" crime, victims of muggings are left with extreme anxiety and fear, some for the rest of their lives, venturing outside especially in the area where they were mugged can be extremely difficult, but we just shrug "ah he/she was only mugged, it's not like they were raped or murdered". A lot of people say rehabilitation is the key, let me ask you, given our track record, does anyone truly believe that a proper rehabilitation program can be set up in our banana republic? Considering our Judicial system is a joke and reform there is an impossibility, why would rehabilitation be different?

    Believe a proper rehab program can be set up? There is multiple.

    Coolmine, The Lantern, Keltoi, High Park, At Francis farm Et Al.


  • #58
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Just want to point out a small thing here. The media report figures like this without looking into it. 17 convictions probably don't relate to one crime, but it's quite normal for one crime to be recorded as several convictions, because the crime relates to various diverse breaches of the law.

    Also bear in mind that most heroin addicts with criminal records have (or have had) various bench warrants for eg not paying a fine, all of which can add up.

    Figures like this often give the impression that a person has been convicted of seventeen different crimes, but in fact he may only have been in court on three or four occasions.

    Thats exactly what it means. Mightn't mean it was 17 individual attacks, but they have literally been convicted of seventeen different crimes, whether within one attack, 10 attacks or seventeen.


  • #59
    El_Bee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    SouthDublin6w wrote: »
    Believe a proper rehab program can be set up? There is multiple.

    Coolmine, The Lantern, Keltoi, High Park, At Francis farm Et Al.


    They're clearly not working.


  • #60
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    El_Bee wrote: »
    It could be, or he could have mugged 17 people in a row, either way he's a drain on society, should he be thrown in a dark cell for the rest of his life? No. Should society be given a break from him and others like him? yes. It's weird how we look at mugging as a "petty" crime, victims of muggings are left with extreme anxiety and fear, some for the rest of their lives, venturing outside especially in the area where they were mugged can be extremely difficult, but we just shrug "ah he/she was only mugged, it's not like they were raped or murdered".
    Oh I completely agree. I've been attacked in the street, randomly, by guys exactly like him. The first time it happened, some weeks passed, and one night I was standing outside The Stag's Head and a stranger tapped me on the shoulder to ask me directions, or something. I turned around and nearly belted them such was my surprise. I'm not violent, but that's what "petty" crime does, it makes you suspicious of strangers, which is bad enough in you're a lad in your twenties, but imagine what it must do to a much older person?

    People sometimes think we lefties don't live in the real world, or have never been the victims of crime. It's precisely because I've been randomly attacked that I'm interested in that not happening again, and the best way is for there to be fewer victims of addiction.

    This means resources for poorer communities, and it means appropriate rehabilitation. We know as a fact that Victorian practices do not work. We have tried those already.

    Shooting people for petty crime probably works, but tyranny brings its own downsides.


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  • #61
    KikiLaRue
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭KikiLaRue


    El_Bee wrote: »
    They're clearly not working.

    If the government took a portion of the money they spend on prosecuting and incarcerating drug users and invested it in rehabilitation, it would. Read up on what happened when they did exactly that in Portugal.


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