Handy EV comparison calculator

bilbot79 · 22-09-2019 10:24PM #1

Albeit American. If you change the figures to suit what you are comparing you get some good feedback. Including no. of trees it costs

https://www.befrugal.com/tools/electric-car-calculator/

unkel · 22-09-2019 11:12PM

Don't know how relevant that is for here. I put in a few EVs and that calculator came up with $400 per year in maintenance. There is no maintenance on EVs. I have spent €0.00 in 2.5 years of owning one, but granted I will need 2 new tyres soon. Also that calculator uses full day rate electricity. EV owners use night rate to charge their car at home, which is far cheaper and far more environmentally friendly too. Some EV owners even use their own solar panels to charge their cars for free with zero emissions.

bilbot79 · 23-09-2019 08:18PM

Well I guess the maintenance bit is off but I found the rest useful. Didn't come across anything like it locally.

Zenith74 · 24-09-2019 06:53AM

unkel wrote: »

Don't know how relevant that is for here. I put in a few EVs and that calculator came up with $400 per year in maintenance. There is no maintenance on EVs. I have spent €0.00 in 2.5 years of owning one, but granted I will need 2 new tyres soon.

Took my 2014 35000km Leaf to a Nissan dealer recently for a service. €1300 in maintenance items and €129 for the service. Got the work done a lot cheaper elsewhere, but just pointing out there are maintenance costs.

This car would have had a set of tyres and couple of wipers over the years, so assuming you get it serviced annually, I’d say you’re looking at €450 per year through a main dealer. Buy cheaper tyres and that would come down to maybe €350.

bilbot79 · 24-09-2019 06:58AM

Zenith74 wrote: »

Took my 2014 35000km Leaf to a Nissan dealer recently for a service. €1300 in maintenance items and €129 for the service. Got the work done a lot cheaper elsewhere, but just pointing out there are maintenance costs.

This car would have had a set of tyres and couple of wipers over the years, so assuming you get it serviced annually, I’d say you’re looking at €450 per year through a main dealer. Buy cheaper tyres and that would come down to maybe €350.

Crumbs. What were the 1300e maintenance items?

unkel · 24-09-2019 07:49AM

What the hell was that €1300 maintenance for?

With average mileage, in a FWD EV, you will need 2 front tyres every 2-3 years and 2 rear tyres every 4-5 years. A full dealer service is about €100 per year and everything else is covered in warranty. So no more than about €200 in service per year. Many cars come with 5-8 year full manufacturer warranties these days. Add an NCT at €55 every other year when the car is over 4 years old.

bilbot79 wrote: »

Well I guess the maintenance bit is off but I found the rest useful. Didn't come across anything like it locally.

Pretty easy to slap some figures into an excel spreadsheet. If you are unable to do that yourself, several people have done it in this forum and shared it as links or as attachments, do a search for it.

Zenith74 · 24-09-2019 08:14AM

Wiper blades €75
Strip and clean rear brakes for "sticking in reverse" issue €150
Coolant replacement €83
Brake fluid replacement €70
Tyres €800
Wheel alignment €60
Brake disks and pads €462
Annual service €129

FWIW the rear brake strip/clean and front disk replacement was required on both our Leafs around the same age. While the disks were OK thickness wise, they were badly corroded on the inside. Pads weren't too badly word, but need to be replaced with the disks. My guess is this will be quite common on EVs where you very rarely use the brakes, particularly for us where we spend most of the time around the city, so no heavy braking or braking from high speeds. This is all be wear and tear stuff, so not covered by warranty.

But look all this maintenance would be required on an ICE car as well, but you'd also be doing various filters, pumps, belts/chains and who knows what else after 5 years.

Not keen to encourage the narrative that EVs require no maintenance as it'll just be a stick that some journalist uses to beat them when the reality becomes known, and of course no maintenance is not safe for non-car-enthusiasts. Cheaper than an ICE though, absolutely!!

Calahonda52 · 24-09-2019 08:18AM

Zenith74 wrote: »

Took my 2014 35000km Leaf to a Nissan dealer recently for a service. €1300 in maintenance items and €129 for the service. Got the work done a lot cheaper elsewhere, but just pointing out there are maintenance costs.

This car would have had a set of tyres and couple of wipers over the years, so assuming you get it serviced annually, I’d say you’re looking at €450 per year through a main dealer. Buy cheaper tyres and that would come down to maybe €350.

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euro 1,300 in maintenance...can we have a priced list please, including labour costs?.
Thank you.

Spook_ie · 24-09-2019 08:22AM

unkel wrote: »

Don't know how relevant that is for here. I put in a few EVs and that calculator came up with $400 per year in maintenance. There is no maintenance on EVs. I have spent €0.00 in 2.5 years of owning one, but granted I will need 2 new tyres soon. Also that calculator uses full day rate electricity. EV owners use night rate to charge their car at home, which is far cheaper and far more environmentally friendly too. Some EV owners even use their own solar panels to charge their cars for free with zero emissions.

Do EVs not have consumables like windscreen wipers and brakes or service items like greasing door hinges, locks etc.?

listermint · 24-09-2019 08:22AM

Zenith74 wrote: »

Wiper blades €75
Strip and clean rear brakes for "sticking in reverse" issue €150
Coolant replacement €83
Brake fluid replacement €70
Tyres €800
Wheel alignment €60
Brake disks and pads €462
Annual service €129

FWIW the rear brake strip/clean and front disk replacement was required on both our Leafs around the same age. While the disks were OK thickness wise, they were badly corroded on the inside. Pads weren't too badly word, but need to be replaced with the disks. My guess is this will be quite common on EVs where you very rarely use the brakes, particularly for us where we spend most of the time around the city, so no heavy braking or braking from high speeds. This is all be wear and tear stuff, so not covered by warranty.

But look all this maintenance would be required on an ICE car as well, but you'd also be doing various filters, pumps, belts/chains and who knows what else after 5 years.

Not keen to encourage the narrative that EVs require no maintenance as it'll just be a stick that some journalist uses to beat them when the reality becomes known, and of course no maintenance is not safe for non-car-enthusiasts. Cheaper than an ICE though, absolutely!!

you just outlined a typical service and you paid 1300 Euro for it.

Big window was it ?

Zenith74 · 24-09-2019 08:23AM

listermint wrote: »

you just outlined a typical service and you paid 1300 Euro for it.

Big window was it ?

I know it's early, but maybe read the full thread

listermint · 24-09-2019 08:24AM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Do EVs not have consumables like windscreen wipers and brakes or service items like greasing door hinges, locks etc.?

Everyone should learn how to press the top of a spray can so stuff comes out into their door hinges

And perhaps change a wiper blade. They cost 16 Quid like...

listermint · 24-09-2019 08:26AM

Zenith74 wrote: »

I know it's early, but maybe read the full thread

Erm... i quoted your break down of what you paid.

Its a basic service. and you paid 1300 Euro for it.

Sorry but christ on a bike

ArrBee · 24-09-2019 08:27AM

Zenith74 wrote: »

Wiper blades €75
Strip and clean rear brakes for "sticking in reverse" issue €150
Coolant replacement €83
Brake fluid replacement €70
Tyres €800
Wheel alignment €60
Brake disks and pads €462
Annual service €129

FWIW the rear brake strip/clean and front disk replacement was required on both our Leafs around the same age. While the disks were OK thickness wise, they were badly corroded on the inside. Pads weren't too badly word, but need to be replaced with the disks. My guess is this will be quite common on EVs where you very rarely use the brakes, particularly for us where we spend most of the time around the city, so no heavy braking or braking from high speeds. This is all be wear and tear stuff, so not covered by warranty.

But look all this maintenance would be required on an ICE car as well, but you'd also be doing various filters, pumps, belts/chains and who knows what else after 5 years.

Not keen to encourage the narrative that EVs require no maintenance as it'll just be a stick that some journalist uses to beat them when the reality becomes known, and of course no maintenance is not safe for non-car-enthusiasts. Cheaper than an ICE though, absolutely!!

I hope they used lube.....

CoBo55 · 24-09-2019 08:32AM

listermint wrote: »

Erm... i quoted your break down of what you paid.

Its a basic service. and you paid 1300 Euro for it.

Sorry but christ on a bike

He got the work done elsewhere...

listermint · 24-09-2019 08:34AM

CoBo55 wrote: »

He got the work done elsewhere...

Fair point i did miss that bit in the first post.

What was the much cheaper though ?

Zenith74 · 24-09-2019 08:36AM

listermint wrote: »

Erm... i quoted your break down of what you paid.

Its a basic service. and you paid 1300 Euro for it.

Sorry but christ on a bike

And again I'll say: read the thread. There was a claim above that no maintenance is required, I replied with an example of a quote I got and as I stated I did not pay that. I was then asked to post the quote, so I did.

My point is that saying EVs have "no" maintenance is not even close to accurate, they have less than an ICE definitely. But if Joe Bloggs goes and buys a Leaf from their local Nissan dealer and takes it back annually for a service and does the work they suggest (the vast majority of Joe Bloggs' do this) then I'd suggest the cost over 5-6 years of ownership is probably in the €350-450 per annum range, which is still way cheaper than an equivalent ICE.

listermint · 24-09-2019 08:58AM

Zenith74 wrote: »

And again I'll say: read the thread. There was a claim above that no maintenance is required, I replied with an example of a quote I got and as I stated I did not pay that. I was then asked to post the quote, so I did.

My point is that saying EVs have "no" maintenance is not even close to accurate, they have less than an ICE definitely. But if Joe Bloggs goes and buys a Leaf from their local Nissan dealer and takes it back annually for a service and does the work they suggest (the vast majority of Joe Bloggs' do this) then I'd suggest the cost over 5-6 years of ownership is probably in the €350-450 per annum range, which is still way cheaper than an equivalent ICE.

The no maintenance is not true that is fair. Id suggest 150-250 per year though. Not 300+

Zenith74 · 24-09-2019 09:16AM

listermint wrote: »

The no maintenance is not true that is fair. Id suggest 150-250 per year though. Not 300+

If you've got some awareness of cars and are willing to shop around, stay away from main dealers, haggle a bit, then yep that sounds very easily achievable.

But for Joe Bloggs (who the calculator as the subject of this thread is aimed at) the average cost over 5-6 years will be higher. At a bare minimum the Nissan annual service is €129. Couple of NCTs. Two sets of tyres at a minimum of €400 per set. Couple of sets of wiper blades. And as per my experience (with two Leafs anyway) likely some work on the brake system, potentially disks&pads (not uncommon in ICE cars at this age as well) even though the pads will not be worn out yet. Comes to €350-450 depending.

My 2 cents anyway...

unkel · 24-09-2019 09:56AM

Fair play for shopping elsewhere after you got that quote

You really needed brake discs on a 5 year old fairly low power, fairly low weight EV? I don't expect to have to change them at all for a good 10 years at least. Saw an NCT test with a 400k km 5 year old Tesla Model S and the original brake discs were half worn. Now that's a very heavy and powerful car.

CoBo55 · 24-09-2019 10:12AM

unkel wrote: »

Fair play for shopping elsewhere after you got that quote

You really needed brake discs on a 5 year old fairly low power, fairly low weight EV? I don't expect to have to change them at all for a good 10 years at least. Saw an NCT test with a 400k km 5 year old Tesla Model S and the original brake discs were half worn. Now that's a very heavy and powerful car.

Discs are suffering from excessive corrosion due to lack of use, similar to tiny mileage ice cars not excessive wear.

Lumen · 24-09-2019 10:31AM

unkel wrote: »

You really needed brake discs on a 5 year old fairly low power, fairly low weight EV? I don't expect to have to change them at all for a good 10 years at least. Saw an NCT test with a 400k km 5 year old Tesla Model S and the original brake discs were half worn. Now that's a very heavy and powerful car.

On the Taycan the brake discs are going to need complete replacement every six years regardless of use, and they're cast iron with a tungsten carbide coating (PSCB).

grogi · 24-09-2019 10:58AM

Zenith74 wrote: »

Wiper blades €75
Strip and clean rear brakes for "sticking in reverse" issue €150
Coolant replacement €83
Brake fluid replacement €70
Tyres €800
Wheel alignment €60
Brake disks and pads €462
Annual service €129

FWIW the rear brake strip/clean and front disk replacement was required on both our Leafs around the same age. While the disks were OK thickness wise, they were badly corroded on the inside. Pads weren't too badly word, but need to be replaced with the disks. My guess is this will be quite common on EVs where you very rarely use the brakes, particularly for us where we spend most of the time around the city, so no heavy braking or braking from high speeds. This is all be wear and tear stuff, so not covered by warranty.

But look all this maintenance would be required on an ICE car as well, but you'd also be doing various filters, pumps, belts/chains and who knows what else after 5 years.

Not keen to encourage the narrative that EVs require no maintenance as it'll just be a stick that some journalist uses to beat them when the reality becomes known, and of course no maintenance is not safe for non-car-enthusiasts. Cheaper than an ICE though, absolutely!!

800 euro for tyres... That explains a lot....

irishgrover · 24-09-2019 11:02AM

grogi wrote: »

800 euro for tyres... That explains a lot....

as does the €75 for wipers!!
Fair play anyway, let Nissan do the inspection and others do the work...

Seriously crazy prices though, very hard to justify

listermint · 24-09-2019 12:11PM

Zenith74 wrote: »

If you've got some awareness of cars and are willing to shop around, stay away from main dealers, haggle a bit, then yep that sounds very easily achievable.

But for Joe Bloggs (who the calculator as the subject of this thread is aimed at) the average cost over 5-6 years will be higher. At a bare minimum the Nissan annual service is €129. Couple of NCTs. Two sets of tyres at a minimum of €400 per set. Couple of sets of wiper blades. And as per my experience (with two Leafs anyway) likely some work on the brake system, potentially disks&pads (not uncommon in ICE cars at this age as well) even though the pads will not be worn out yet. Comes to €350-450 depending.

My 2 cents anyway...

So tyres let's say every 2 years that's 100 per year for Tyres and annual service from the dealer 129

So combined pretty much in the range I said not double the money as you said.

If your paying 400 per year servicing an ev then there's something amiss.

And that's not even shopping around..

Zenith74 · 24-09-2019 12:59PM

listermint wrote: »

So tyres let's say every 2 years that's 100 per year for Tyres and annual service from the dealer 129

So combined pretty much in the range I said not double the money as you said.

If your paying 400 per year servicing an ev then there's something amiss.

And that's not even shopping around..

Don’t think you’re really reading all the responses here about brake servicing etc that is required, so I’ll leave you to it...

listermint · 24-09-2019 01:25PM

Zenith74 wrote: »

Don’t think you’re really reading all the responses here about brake servicing etc that is required, so I’ll leave you to it...

I read them pads don't cost another 200 euro and you won't replace them every year.

So as I said 400 per year servicing is not accurate. I'm sure you can agree.

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