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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,152 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Odhinn wrote: »

    Tha'ts fcuking appalling. :mad:

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,453 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    A document that appears to give the most powerful insight yet into how China determined the fate of hundreds of thousands of Muslims held in a network of internment camps has been seen by the BBC.
    Listing the personal details of more than 3,000 individuals from the far western region of Xinjiang, it sets out in intricate detail the most intimate aspects of their daily lives.
    The painstaking records - made up of 137 pages of columns and rows - include how often people pray, how they dress, whom they contact and how their family members behave.
    China denies any wrongdoing, saying it is combating terrorism and religious extremism.

    Row 598 contains the case of a 38-year-old woman with the first name Helchem, sent to a re-education camp for one main reason: she was known to have worn a veil some years ago.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51520622


    As China has a seat on the UNSC there's little to no hope for those it chooses to persecute, be they liberals, muslims or whatever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,447 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig



    Where are Michelle Obama et al for these issues? 'Bring back our girls'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Where are Michelle Obama et al for these issues? 'Bring back our girls'

    I am unsure where you think a former First Lady should be?

    And the comparison to Boko Haram are not quite valid.
    Although that makes f all difference to the kidnapped girls.

    The case in Pakistan seems to have the power of the judiciary behind it, Nigeria was a terrorist extremist organisation - not a branch of the State.

    What you have happening in Pakistan is religious minorities being ridden roughshod due to the power of a State religion.

    A State religion whose laws have far too much influence over civil life and young girls and women are paying the price.

    Remind you of anywhere?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,447 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I am unsure where you think a former First Lady should be?

    et al


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,627 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    et al

    Is the current FLOTUS or Paula White and the current WH 'faith' office part of 'al'? The Vatican? I'd expect to hear from them, obviously. It'd help if you were more specific about who you mean.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,851 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Where are Michelle Obama et al for these issues? 'Bring back our girls'

    Wheres Melania? Surely the current FLOTUS should be all over this right?


    https://www.whitehouse.gov/people/melania-trump/
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    Mrs. Trump puts the emphasis on children and how we can protect them, teach them, and empower them.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    et al

    I may be misinterpreting your point, and apologies if I am, but it looks a lot like point scoring.
    Which in a certain light looks a lot like using these girls.

    Perhaps you feel that 'et al' used the Boko Haram girls - but 2 wrongs et al...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I am unsure where you think a former First Lady should be?

    And the comparison to Boko Haram are not quite valid.
    Although that makes f all difference to the kidnapped girls.

    The case in Pakistan seems to have the power of the judiciary behind it, Nigeria was a terrorist extremist organisation - not a branch of the State.

    What you have happening in Pakistan is religious minorities being ridden roughshod due to the power of a State religion.

    A State religion whose laws have far too much influence over civil life and young girls and women are paying the price.

    Remind you of anywhere?

    Yes, Ireland !
    Point negated completely, we are far worse!

    Sure just last week my neighbour kidnapped a 14 year old local girl and now she is his wife, feck it anyway her parents said - the local priest said it's ok so
    fair bloody dinkum !!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Yes, Ireland !
    Point negated completely, we are far worse!

    Sure just last week my neighbour kidnapped a 14 year old local girl and now she is his wife, feck it anyway her parents said - the local priest said it's ok so
    fair bloody dinkum !!!

    Oh stop it.

    Poster tried to draw a comparison between the response of a former First Lady to the activities of an illegal organisation and her lack (apparent -we do not know for sure if she has reacted or not) of reaction the actions to the judiciary of a country making rulings based on religious law.

    What happened in Nigeria is not comparable to what happened in Pakistan bar women and girls are denied even the most basic human rights and this is justified by religion.

    And yes, Ireland did the same thing as Pakistan. And Ireland hasn't even begun to properly address that. So stick your fair dinkum and remember that even now Ireland is being brought before the Court of Human Rights.

    It may be in the past for you - it's isn't for the victims.

    As for 'we are far worse' - who are you to decide what victims of abuse have it worse?
    Is it worse because it's happening right now rather than 50 years ago?
    Should victims of historical abuse just be happy they aren't living in Pakistan?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Oh stop it.

    Poster tried to draw a comparison between the response of a former First Lady to the activities of an illegal organisation and her lack (apparent -we do not know for sure if she has reacted or not) of reaction the actions to the judiciary of a country making rulings based on religious law.

    What happened in Nigeria is not comparable to what happened in Pakistan bar women and girls are denied even the most basic human rights and this is justified by religion.

    And yes, Ireland did the same thing as Pakistan. And Ireland hasn't even begun to properly address that. So stick your fair dinkum and remember that even now Ireland is being brought before the Court of Human Rights.

    It may be in the past for you - it's isn't for the victims.

    As for 'we are far worse' - who are you to decide what victims of abuse have it worse?
    Is it worse because it's happening right now rather than 50 years ago?
    Should victims of historical abuse just be happy they aren't living in Pakistan?

    You excuse it simply because you are afraid to critisise Pakistani Muslims as they have brown skin - piss off..


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    You excuse it simply because you are afraid to critisise Pakistani Muslims as they have brown skin - piss off..

    Mod: Carded for personal abuse. Please read the charter before posting again, thanks for your attention


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    You excuse it simply because you are afraid to critisise Pakistani Muslims as they have brown skin - piss off..

    On the contrary I clearly said what is happening in Pakistan is the same as happened in Ireland.
    Women and girls being denied even basic human rights because 'religion'.

    What I did not do, which you are intent on doing, is whitewash (as you wish to bring colour into it) Ireland's treatment of women and pretend it's all better now while getting out the pitchforks of faux moral indignation to wave at foreigners.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,152 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    Where are Michelle Obama et al for these issues? 'Bring back our girls'

    What a truly bizarre post.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,152 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You excuse it simply because you are afraid to critisise Pakistani Muslims as they have brown skin

    Boko Haram are also brown-skinned muslims but people were happy to criticise them and rightly so. Your post makes no sense whatsoever.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Boko Haram are also brown-skinned muslims but people were happy to criticise them and rightly so. Your post makes no sense whatsoever.

    Agreed. It is also utter nonsense to suggest people here aren't openly critical of the barbarity towards women and religious minorities in Pakistan carried out under the banner of sharia law. For example.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,457 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    robindch wrote: »
    Mike Hughes has built himself a steam-powered rocket, painted it red, and with it, he intends to briefly leave this cold, flat Earth.

    "It’ll shut the door on this ball earth", explained the former chauffeur and holder of a 2002 Guinness World Record for the longest jump in a limousine.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/11/21/this-man-is-about-to-launch-himself-in-his-homemade-rocket-to-prove-the-earth-is-flat/
    seamus wrote: »
    Real salt-of-the-earth Trump man - "I need more money for the next phase of this rocket launch, and, uh....oh yeah, this flat earth thing is great! I've just recently become a believer. Any of you guys got some money to give me?"
    Mr Hughes' final effort to prove everybody wrong took place yesterday afternoon in the San Bernardino County desert near Barstow, California:

    https://www.sbsun.com/2020/02/22/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-reported-dead-in-rocket-crash-near-barstow/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,152 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Real bang of exploitation off that so-called "Science Channel".

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,909 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    robindch wrote: »
    Mike Hughes has built himself a steam-powered rocket, painted it red, and with it, he intends to briefly leave this cold, flat Earth.
    Mr Hughes' final effort to prove everybody wrong took place yesterday afternoon in the San Bernardino County desert near Barstow, California:

    https://www.sbsun.com/2020/02/22/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-reported-dead-in-rocket-crash-near-barstow/

    To be fair he did achieve his aim of briefly leaving the earth. very briefly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,851 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    To be fair he did achieve his aim of briefly leaving the earth. very briefly.

    Could have achieved that with a trampoline.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,457 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Could have achieved that with a trampoline.
    And he wouldn't have flattened himself either, poor clown.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,909 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Could have achieved that with a trampoline.

    Where is the glory in that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,152 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51695649

    The leader of a religious sect in South Korea will be investigated over some of the country's coronavirus deaths.

    The city government of the capital Seoul has asked prosecutors to charge Lee Man-hee, the founder of the Shincheonji Church, and 11 others.

    They are accused of hiding the names of some members as officials tried to track patients before the virus spread.

    South Korea is battling the worst coronavirus outbreak outside China.

    The country has reported 3,730 cases and 21 deaths so far. More than half of all infections involve members of the Shincheonji Church of Jesus, a fringe Christian group.

    Authorities say Shincheonji members infected one another in the southern city of Daegu last month, before fanning out around the country.

    On Sunday the Seoul City government filed a legal complaint to prosecutors against 12 leaders of the sect. They are accused of homicide, causing harm and violating the Infectious Disease and Control Act.

    All 230,000 members of the church have been interviewed. Nearly 9,000 said they were showing symptoms of coronavirus.

    A 61-year-old female member of the sect who tested positive for the virus was among the first to be infected.

    She initially refused to be taken to a hospital to be tested and is known to have attended several church gatherings before testing positive.

    The sect's leader, Lee Man-hee, claims he is the Messiah. He has also been tested for the virus and is awaiting the results.

    Roman Catholic churches remain closed, major Protestant groups have cancelled Sunday services and all Buddhist events have been called off.

    Lee Man-hee, 88, claims he is the second coming of Jesus Christ and identifies as "the promised pastor" mentioned in the Bible.

    He founded the Shincheonji Church in 1984. In Korean, Shincheonji means "new heaven and earth".

    The group is considered a cult by many. Mr Lee's followers believe he will take 144,000 people to heaven with him.

    The church says it has more than 20,000 followers outside of South Korea including in China, Japan and areas of Southeast Asia.

    The group is known for packing its followers tightly together during services. Glasses, necklaces and earrings are reportedly banned from services.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,627 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,570 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Igotadose wrote: »

    I may be wrong but I presume this isn't their entire strategy, just a photo op before they get down to business?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,627 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    TheChizler wrote: »
    I may be wrong but I presume this isn't their entire strategy, just a photo op before they get down to business?

    Correct. Pray away the disease. It's worked so well in the past.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,152 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Pence has form in this regard, prayer instead of needle exchange proved ineffective against a HIV outbreak in Indiana when he was governor.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,152 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Meanwhile, ex-prez McAleese writes to pope, threatens to scweam and scweam unthil she's shick:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/mcaleese-threatens-to-leave-catholic-church-if-vanier-story-not-explained-1.4191664
    McAleese threatens to leave Catholic Church if Vanier story not explained


    Former president Mary McAleese has written to Pope Francis saying she will leave the Catholic Church “if it transpires that the Holy See failed to act to protect members of the L’Arche Community”.

    She said people should have been alerted to “the known predatory activities” of the community’s founder Jean Vanier and his mentor, Dominican priest Fr Thomas Philippe.

    “I have to say that this will be my final line of least resistance. I could not in conscience continue to support an institution capable of such gross negligence,” Mrs McAleese said in the letter.

    And if they say they did not fail to act, we can believe them because....??

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,902 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Meanwhile, ex-prez McAleese writes to pope, threatens to scweam and scweam unthil she's shick:

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/mcaleese-threatens-to-leave-catholic-church-if-vanier-story-not-explained-1.4191664



    And if they say they did not fail to act, we can believe them because....??

    So we can expect a new user looking for info on the "how do i leave the church" thread? :)


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