Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

I don’t agree with McConkey on much, but I do on what he said last night re vaccine data. Where is it? Why is it not available for our public health officials to study? We need the data for Pfizer, Astrazenca and Moderna published now.
You can’t just start administering a vaccine based on press releases.
As for this idea he has of never ending restrictions unless we’re a zero Covid island...he’s really run out of ideas to keep suggesting that and still thinks we’re New Zealand or the Azores or somewhere similarly isolated. Northern Ireland, U.K. soon to leave EU rules & ‘regain their sovereignty’. EU and ECDC trying a more coordinated approach to travel which we’ve finally signed up to. That’s the way forward once this wave passes.

Ques formed already for dunnes in Galway according to the wireless and they not even open yet.
Fcukin gombeens.

joeguevara wrote: »

Has any large event mandated a vaccine that doesn't exist to the public or is it just conjecture?

So many people have started a campaign against ticket master even though claims that they are mandating vaccine as mandatory aren't true. https://fullfact.org/health/ticketmaster-coronavirus-vaccine/

Good point - I agree this is not a thing!

CruelSummer wrote: »

I don’t agree with McConkey on much, but I do on what he said last night re vaccine data. Where is it? Why is it not available for our public health officials to study? We need the data for Pfizer, Astrazenca and Moderna published now.
You can’t just start administering a vaccine based on press releases.
As for this idea he has of never ending restrictions unless we’re a zero Covid island...he’s really run out of ideas to keep suggesting that and still thinks we’re New Zealand or the Azores or somewhere similarly isolated. Northern Ireland, U.K. soon to leave EU rules & ‘regain their sovereignty’. EU and ECDC trying a more coordinated approach to travel which we’ve finally signed up to. That’s the way forward once this wave passes.

Do you think the data is given to the EMA & FDA as press release.

We're not going to start administering based on press release.

I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp about this, the people who get the full data first are the regulatory bodies and thats completely proper.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Do you think the data is given to the EMA & FDA as press release.

We're not going to start administering based on press release.

I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp about this, the people who get the full data first are the regulatory bodies and thats completely proper.

Of course it is. The other side is also true. Public health doctors cant be asked to plan the rollout of a vaccine when they dont have any data. They prepare plans and contingencies and hope one of them will match.

I thought it was very funny the other day that the who press conference was asked to pass judgement on the oxford virus.

Their response was they hadn't any data and couldn't judge based on a press release.

Sky news ran it as breaking news for hours

World health organisation needs more than a press release to judge vaccine.

ElJeffe wrote: »

I hope they mandate it for music festivals like Glastonbury etc... Will present a real dilemma the anti vax leftie type crowd that swarm to those things.

Anti vax, leftie?

That’s very wrong...

I doubt any business will give a flying shíte about the minority of anti-vax loons. The issue will be them going to schools.

So by 21 Dec we are going to be at 1000 cases a day.

I can see level 5 from 26 th onwards.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

5,000 and level 10 from midnight on the 25th.

It only took 14-15 days to go from 300 approx to 1000 last time.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Do you think the data is given to the EMA & FDA as press release.

We're not going to start administering based on press release.

I'm not sure what's so hard to grasp about this, the people who get the full data first are the regulatory bodies and thats completely proper.

As I answered in vaccine thread, what’s hard to grasp is the fact our ‘esteemed’ professors are on national TV stating the data hasn’t been published. For someone such as myself unfamiliar with the procedures, this raises questions.

Shops closed, people unable to shop for weeks and there's surprise when the shops are busy when they reopen.

Have some people been living under a rock?

Scarlett Great Stairwell wrote: »

People need to be outraged about something. Queue outrage should die by the weekend. It'll be just in time for people to lose it over some picture comparing crowds on streets to a weekend mid lockdown when hospitality was shut.

I for one am delighted to see businesses potentially able to get back on their feet before Christmas

Funsterdelux wrote: »

She's probably going to buy you something special.

14 day quarrantine when she returns?

I'm that typical husband that spends a fortune on their wives only to be given socks and jocks in return

landofthetree wrote: »

It only took 14-15 days to go from 300 approx to 1000 last time.

The "turning an oil tanker" analogy is the best one when it comes to this virus. When you first turn the wheel, you can barely even feel the ship moving at all.

Case numbers don't change on a whim. The seeds are sown and don't sprout for 14-21 days.

So *if* we see an upward change in case numbers, it won't be till December at the very earliest.

By that point they will still have been on a continuous downward trend from where we are now.

If we take the worst case scenario where cases stay flat till the 15th and then begin a sharp upward trend, you're still talking about New Year before we're back in 4 digits.

More likely, with hospitality closed until Friday we won't see any remarkable change in cases caused by today's easing of restrictions.

We *may* see small bump in numbers around the 25th as the impact from opening restaurants is felt. But we know level 3 general works, so it won't be as bad as expected.

The most noticeable jump in cases will be around the first week in January as the impact of opening up on the 18th is felt. Imposing tighter restrictions on the 6th then should (in theory) ensure that we get cases back down and under control before we see any serious problems emerge.

The wildcard here is peoples' behaviour. If people throw caution to the wind and go "ah shure it's Xmas, we can lock down in January", then the spike in early January could be huge.

If people accept that this is a one-year deal and make a good faith effort to stick with the guidelines, then any increase in cases should be manageable.

seamus wrote: »

The "turning an oil tanker" analogy is the best one when it comes to this virus. When you first turn the wheel, you can barely even feel the ship moving at all.

Case numbers don't change on a whim. The seeds are sown and don't sprout for 14-21 days.

So *if* we see an upward change in case numbers, it won't be till 15th January at the very earliest.

By that point they will still have been on a continuous downward trend from where we are now.

If we take the worst case scenario where cases stay flat till the 15th and then begin a sharp upward trend, you're still talking about New Year before we're back in 4 digits.

More likely, with hospitality closed until Friday we won't see any remarkable change in cases caused by today's easing of restrictions.

We *may* see small bump in numbers around the 25th as the impact from opening restaurants is felt. But we know level 3 general works, so it won't be as bad as expected.

The most noticeable jump in cases will be around the first week in January as the impact of opening up on the 18th is felt. Imposing tighter restrictions on the 6th then should (in theory) ensure that we get cases back down and under control before we see any serious problems emerge.

The wildcard here is peoples' behaviour. If people throw caution to the wind and go "ah shure it's Xmas, we can lock down in January", then the spike in early January could be huge.

If people accept that this is a one-year deal and make a good faith effort to stick with the guidelines, then any increase in cases should be manageable.

This makes a whole pile of sense to me. Well written. Thanks.

Russman wrote: »

I don't think it'll ever be reported just like any other illness, its too unique. I think when/if enough people are vaccinated we'll hear very little about it, but when we do it'll be flare ups or outbreaks in certain places that will make the news.

That makes some sense as it’s been engraved now I think in peoples minds. I suppose kind of like measles you hear out brakes every now and then.