Things In Football That Grind Your Gears

razorblunt · 12-04-2021 11:24AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The way Martin Tyler just talks through the games instead of commentating on what's going on. Its more like a 90 minute chat show about the general world of football, as opposed to Team A v Team B.

It should be noted that he is totally different when he is commentating on the World Feed.

I have to say I noticed that difference between his approach before too.
Pretty much confirms the "push the narrative" approach from the likes of Sky and BT.

So much of the game he covers is filled with waffle, I'm still scarred by the Dani Ceballas hairdresser "joke" he tried and missed and then spent the next Arsenal game, which was midweek, saying it again and explaining it.

Neville and Carragher have gone way past the line on the cringe factor too, their "bantz" is overshadowing the games, they carry it away from the tv onto social media and back in again. Liverpool get a potential last minute winner, keeping their top 4 hopes going and Carragher's first thought is "is Gary Neville watching"? Pathetic. It's like Soccer AM from 15 years ago.

I get the impression Redknapp is on borrowed time on Sky too, he might walk. He's becoming increasingly marginalised, Neville and Carragher get their analysis spot on when they want and he's now left being embarrassed by Roy Keane on an almost weekly basis.
This "I'm not having that" approach will be the end of him.

jacool · 12-04-2021 05:35PM

That 95% of things in football, now have to have a narrative.

Salvation Tambourine · 12-04-2021 10:55PM

Tyler's laugh-talk absolutely does my head in. He does it all the time, even when he's not telling an awful joke.

yourdeadwright · 13-04-2021 11:23AM

razorblunt wrote: »

I have to say I noticed that difference between his approach before too.
Pretty much confirms the "push the narrative" approach from the likes of Sky and BT.

So much of the game he covers is filled with waffle, I'm still scarred by the Dani Ceballas hairdresser "joke" he tried and missed and then spent the next Arsenal game, which was midweek, saying it again and explaining it.

Neville and Carragher have gone way past the line on the cringe factor too, their "bantz" is overshadowing the games, they carry it away from the tv onto social media and back in again. Liverpool get a potential last minute winner, keeping their top 4 hopes going and Carragher's first thought is "is Gary Neville watching"? Pathetic. It's like Soccer AM from 15 years ago.

I get the impression Redknapp is on borrowed time on Sky too, he might walk. He's becoming increasingly marginalised, Neville and Carragher get their analysis spot on when they want and he's now left being embarrassed by Roy Keane on an almost weekly basis.
This "I'm not having that" approach will be the end of him.

As a big Liverpool fan and someone who loved Carragher as a player he is getting worse weekly as a pundit,
It's like he has forgotten what his and Neville job is, He seems to think its him V Neville .like that he has to one up him or something, He comes across very unprofessional & even when he makes a joke he will try make it personal and bit to cutting for the actually job there doing ,

I think Neville is the best pundit by a long way and enjoy listing to him ,although at times he seems to try protect Ole,

Richards for me is awful & his fake over the top banter with Keane is cringe,
He seems like a really good guy but doesn't suit the job, Id much prefer someone with more tactical knowledge and serious tone to them , Its not a comedy ,

I think Alex Scott & Lisa Fallon are two a very good pundits,

Fallon absolutely blows Cunningham out of the water in knowing what she is looking at ,

yourdeadwright · 13-04-2021 11:27AM

Nokotan wrote: »

Tyler's laugh-talk absolutely does my head in. He does it all the time, even when he's not telling an awful joke.

I actually feel sorry for Tyler he was great in his day but the guy is 75 years old now and well past his best on the mic, People don't give him a pass for his age

Peter Drury & Clive Tyldesley are far superior these days

razorblunt · 13-04-2021 02:13PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

I actually feel sorry for Tyler he was great in his day but the guy is 75 years old now and well past his best on the mic, People don't give him a pass for his age

Peter Drury & Clive Tyldesley are far superior these days

Where's Clive these days?
Matterface, his replacement on ITV is woeful, has a very smug tone about him (a bit like a lot of the newer journalists).

I agree on Scott, she is excellent, I'd happily take more female pundits ahead of yer wan Aluko who's a bluffer and can't seem to be got rid of.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 13-04-2021 02:25PM

razorblunt wrote: »

Where's Clive these days?
Matterface, his replacement on ITV is woeful, has a very smug tone about him (a bit like a lot of the newer journalists).

I agree on Scott, she is excellent, I'd happily take more female pundits ahead of yer wan Aluko who's a bluffer and can't seem to be got rid of.

Clive does a lot of work for Rangers TV he also works for Talksport and does the CL for CBS

Bob Harris · 13-04-2021 02:29PM

Throw-ins. Whoever is closet to the ball should take it. Not this rubbish of a player picking up the ball and deciding nah..better not risk it before giving it to the full back who then takes an age to throw the ball 10 yards. I know it's about positioning/time-wasting/possession retention but it unnecessarily slows down the game that is slow enough already.

bucketybuck · 13-04-2021 03:09PM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

As a big Liverpool fan and someone who loved Carragher as a player he is getting worse weekly as a pundit,
It's like he has forgotten what his and Neville job is, He seems to think its him V Neville .like that he has to one up him or something, He comes across very unprofessional & even when he makes a joke he will try make it personal and bit to cutting for the actually job there doing ,

The worst thing that ever happened Monday night football was bringing in Carragher. It used to be interesting listening to one person doing a deep dive into some tactical issues from games, whether you agreed with the point being made or not it was generally well considered and presented.

Then they decided to shoehorn in Carragher and turn it into top bants. :rolleyes: You went from one analyst with time to breathe, to 2 people sharing the time and so saying very little.

Add in the fact that his voice is very annoying and that he rarely has anything insightful to say anyway and it was just a bad addition to the show all round.

iseegirls · 13-04-2021 04:07PM

Has there been a Man Utd match that Sky have covered live that Neville hasn't co-commentated this year?

And same for Carragher and Liverpool's matches?

As someone said earlier, not everyone is a fan of these two teams, and having some biased views on what should be pretty neutral commentary is frustrating.

Fitz* · 13-04-2021 05:04PM

I hate having Carragher, Neville & Tyler on any games now. They are very bad commentating during games.

Carragher on Liverpool games is a bit weird. While many say he is biased towards Liverpool, I think he is actually the opposite. I think he wants to try and seem non-partisan so much, that he actually goes overboard with the scathing of Liverpool. But then if they score, he does sort of celebrate which I understand can be annoying.

Neville & Tyler are terrible together. When they commentate on Man Utd games, there is only one team playing. It's all they talk about. Man Utd are losing and the concentration is on their players defending etc, never on the attacking side. A constant commentary on Solskjaer every game too. Even if they commentate on other teams, they somehow work Man Utd into it which is very annoying too.

That bit at the weekend with 'Are you watching Gary Neville' just proves that Sky are knowingly creating this circus double acts and are trying to create controversy to talk about in their shows. Neville v Carra and Keane v Redknapp. Matches are centering around them which is the totally wrong way to have it. It's nauseating.

A lot started on social media last year with Neville and his stupid selfies faces with bottles of champagne when Liverpool were losing. It was funny the first time but for the 4th or 5th time? It's stale now, move on. It started a tit for tat between Neville & Carra on twitter which is now forced down our throats any time one of them is on TV too.

ArmaniJeanss · 13-04-2021 05:15PM

Bob Harris wrote: »

Throw-ins. Whoever is closet to the ball should take it. Not this rubbish of a player picking up the ball and deciding nah..better not risk it before giving it to the full back who then takes an age to throw the ball 10 yards. I know it's about positioning/time-wasting/possession retention but it unnecessarily slows down the game that is slow enough already.

I don't like the nearest player idea - you don't want an out-of-position centre-half taking a throw-in at your own corner flag, why should you be disadvantaged for 'winning' a throw-in?
But its definitely a process which should be speeded up and could be put under the same 6 second rule as a keeper with the ball in his hands (although refs are incapable of enforcing that anyway).

Bob Harris · 13-04-2021 05:27PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

I don't like the nearest player idea - you don't want an out-of-position centre-half taking a throw-in at your own corner flag, why should you be disadvantaged for 'winning' a throw-in?
But its definitely a process which should be speeded up and could be put under the same 6 second rule as a keeper with the ball in his hands (although refs are incapable of enforcing that anyway).

I understand and said above that positionally teams get full backs to take throws so not ideal for them in that sense if its a winger or CB. But neither it is ideal for the dallying that goes on to get the ball back into play. A winger picks up the ball..looks to throw then drops the ball to the ground while the full back walks over and that's not even when teams are looking to waste time.

As for the 6 second rule I thought that had been scrapped because you never see it mentioned let alone adhered to by goalkeepers.

BillyHasMates · 13-04-2021 07:05PM

Staying on the subject of time wasting, present day goalkicks annoy me more. Time and time again this season I see gk's take an age to place the ball, then a defender moves each side of the 6 yard box, then keeper stalls for more time, then he waves the defenders out and waits until they saunter well out the field, then he pauses for about 10 more secs then maybe kicks it back in to play. Goalkicks regularly taking over a minute to complete and rarely a signal from a ref to hurry it up.

Mitch Connor · 14-04-2021 12:13PM

There have been suggestions for an age that football should be changed to a 60min (30 min aside) game with the time called off when the ball is out of play.

I think studies done indicate ball in play time would be about that, so making this change would/should eliminate time wasting, as the time isn't running unless the ball is in play.

The J Stands for Jay · 14-04-2021 12:26PM

BillyHasMates wrote: »

Staying on the subject of time wasting, present day goalkicks annoy me more. Time and time again this season I see gk's take an age to place the ball, then a defender moves each side of the 6 yard box, then keeper stalls for more time, then he waves the defenders out and waits until they saunter well out the field, then he pauses for about 10 more secs then maybe kicks it back in to play. Goalkicks regularly taking over a minute to complete and rarely a signal from a ref to hurry it up.

Really annoys me seeing this. Isn't there a rule that goal kicks need to clear the penalty area? What are the defenders doing back there?

Fitz* · 14-04-2021 12:36PM

McGaggs wrote: »

Really annoys me seeing this. Isn't there a rule that goal kicks need to clear the penalty area? What are the defenders doing back there?

Not any more. This was removed a couple years ago.

Salvation Tambourine · 14-04-2021 01:21PM

Fitz* wrote: »

Not any more. This was removed a couple years ago.

It's still there

https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/ifab-laws-of-the-game-2020-21.pdf?cloudid=d6g1medsi8jrrd3e4imp

An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area,
commits any of the following offences:

• controls the ball with the hand/arm for more than six seconds before releasing
it

polarbearhead · 14-04-2021 01:46PM

Nokotan wrote: »

Tyler's laugh-talk absolutely does my head in. He does it all the time, even when he's not telling an awful joke.

He was doing it 20 years ago. He does my head in

Fitz* · 14-04-2021 02:26PM

Nokotan wrote: »

It's still there

https://resources.fifa.com/image/upload/ifab-laws-of-the-game-2020-21.pdf?cloudid=d6g1medsi8jrrd3e4imp

I was talking about goal kicks not having to leave the penalty box anymore.

The J Stands for Jay · 14-04-2021 02:28PM

Fitz* wrote: »

Not any more. This was removed a couple years ago.

That explains that. I still don't see why they're doing it though. I've seen Maguire and Lindelof put themselves under pressure with that move a few times.

Salvation Tambourine · 14-04-2021 02:45PM

Fitz* wrote: »

I was talking about goal kicks not having to leave the penalty box anymore.

Yeah, I've just noticed that. Sorry about that. No idea why I got that wrong.

citytillidie · 15-04-2021 12:33PM

McGaggs wrote: »

That explains that. I still don't see why they're doing it though. I've seen Maguire and Lindelof put themselves under pressure with that move a few times.

Teams want to play out from the back so they will do that now short passes on goal kicks to the defender, the attacker is still not allowed inside the box until the ball is played.

dirkmeister · 17-04-2021 05:24PM

Micah Richards’ laugh.

Guy:Incognito · 17-04-2021 05:46PM

FA cup semis at Wembley .

Mr.Crinklewood · 17-04-2021 05:51PM

Two rows of advertising boards.

kowloonkev · 17-04-2021 07:14PM

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Two rows of advertising boards.

And the animations. Really tacky which kind of fits in well with the FA cup these days.

Hercule Poirot · 17-04-2021 08:15PM

I'm in full agreement with the anti-bants commentator posts

Watching the Spurs Everton game yesterday and they spent five minutes talking about Jordan Pickford's haircut for Christ's sake

I think back to John Motson armed to the teeth with statistics and actual football knowledge when I grew up with the game and it annoys the beejesus out of me listening to them now

Ashbourne hoop · 17-04-2021 08:46PM

dirkmeister wrote: »

Micah Richards’ laugh.

Micah Richards

28-04-2021 09:32PM

Changing the laws to suit a certain kind of play. Really just the goal kick law. It was balanced just fine before but they changed it to suit possession-based teams and encourage everyone else to follow the same path.

Things In Football That Grind Your Gears

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