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To Mask or not to two - Mask Megathread cont.

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    #4262
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    A large majority of people want masks to continue to be mandatory even when most people have been vaccinated: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/irish-times-poll-public-split-on-pace-of-lifting-covid-19-restrictions-1.4596630

    I genuinely believe that masks are popular in Ireland. People appear to enjoy wearing them.

    Well, there's no majority of population in Ireland fully vaccinated yet.

    Your believe is your believe.


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    #4263
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Well, there's no majority of population in Ireland fully vaccinated yet.

    Your believe is your believe.

    The majority wants them to be mandatory even when most people have been vaccinated.


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    #4264
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The majority wants them to be mandatory even when most people have been vaccinated.

    The most of people are not fully vaccinated yet. Anyone with half brain functioning will wait till we see full impact of vaccination.


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    #4265
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    The most of people are not fully vaccinated yet. Anyone with half brain functioning will wait till we see full impact of vaccination.

    So if there continues to be cases and deaths post-vaccination, which there will be because covid isn't going anywhere, do you believe masks should continue to be mandatory?


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    #4266
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,693 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Gortanna wrote: »
    So if there continues to be cases and deaths post-vaccination, which there will be because covid isn't going anywhere, do you believe masks should continue to be mandatory?

    Nope.. if someone wants to continue to wear a mask to protect them from something that statistically is little to no threat to them or those around them anyway (and even less so when they've been vaccinated), then work away I guess...

    But the rest of us will get on with living and socialising like a normal person.


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    #4267
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So if there continues to be cases and deaths post-vaccination, which there will be because covid isn't going anywhere, do you believe masks should continue to be mandatory?

    I'm just gonna wait and see. Don't really get what's your point.


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    #4268
    [Deleted User]
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    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Nope.. if someone wants to continue to wear a mask to protect them from something that statistically is little to no threat to them or those around them anyway (and even less so when they've been vaccinated), then work away I guess...

    But the rest of us will get on with living and socialising like a normal person.

    I agree, but the majority wants them to stay. And it's a large majority as well.

    The rest of us won't be able to do much if they're still mandatory everywhere. That's the problem.


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    #4269
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,993 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Nope.. if someone wants to continue to wear a mask to protect them from something that statistically is little to no threat to them or those around them anyway (and even less so when they've been vaccinated), then work away I guess...
    But the rest of us will get on with living and socialising like a normal person.

    Pretty obvious debating trick there with the 'normal person' angle and attempt at othering the people you disagree with.
    People take precautions against risks all the time. It affects what products we can buy etc

    Its entirely normal reaction to take precautions, especially those which arent costly to take and stil allow you to continue the activity.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #4270
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Nope.. if someone wants to continue to wear a mask to protect them from something that statistically is little to no threat to them or those around them anyway (and even less so when they've been vaccinated), then work away I guess...

    But the rest of us will get on with living and socialising like a normal person.

    The rest of us point is funny, isn't it.


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    #4271
    Terry..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Terry..


    Masks are fine for married people etc that dont need to be out circulating

    Different story for singles and i'd say they don't want masks to continue


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    #4272
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,693 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I agree, but the majority wants them to stay. And it's a large majority as well.

    The rest of us won't be able to do much if they're still mandatory everywhere. That's the problem.

    That reminds me. Did they formally sign the extension into law in the end?

    Last I read it technically has expired


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    #4273
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,993 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Terry.. wrote: »
    Masks are fine for married people etc that dont need to be out circulating
    Different story for singles and i'd say they don't want masks to continue

    I dunno... a whole new angle to blind dating!
    * Sorry couldnt resist

    The first mask mandate to come in was on public transport. I can see it continuing there for long time especially as capacity will need to come back to normal and people of all ages rely on it to access essential services.
    Likely also to continue in healthcare settings.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #4274
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,693 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Pretty obvious debating trick there with the 'normal person' angle and attempt at othering the people you disagree with.
    People take precautions against risks all the time. It affects what products we can buy etc

    Its entirely normal reaction to take precautions, especially those which arent costly to take and stil allow you to continue the activity.

    And why would we need to take precautions to engage in activities that we did without them before the whole covid thing?

    Why would we need to protect against a virus that doesn't significantly affect the overwhelming majority of people anyway, and especially when we have vaccinated the vulnerable and indeed a large proportion of perfectly healthy younger people as well?

    "just in case" isn't enough of a reason to continue with enforcing the current measures


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    #4275
    [Deleted User]
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    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    That reminds me. Did they formally sign the extension into law in the end?

    Last I read it technically has expired

    I've been wondering about that as well. I heard it had expired and that it hadn't been extended. But maybe it was extended.


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    #4276
    Terry..
    Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Terry..


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    I dunno... a whole new angle to blind dating!
    * Sorry couldnt resist

    The first mask mandate to come in was on public transport. I can see it continuing there for long time especially as capacity will need to come back to normal and people of all ages rely on it to access essential services.
    Likely also to continue in healthcare settings.

    Ya there's the pubs and nightclubs festivals etc

    Dating is ****ked up with covid


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    #4277
    Seanergy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    That reminds me. Did they formally sign the extension into law in the end?

    Last I read it technically has expired
    Gortanna wrote: »
    I've been wondering about that as well. I heard it had expired and that it hadn't been extended. But maybe it was extended.


    Hear no BS, see no BS at play.


    Where did you read it technically had expired?


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    #4278
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Terry.. wrote: »
    Masks are fine for married people etc that dont need to be out circulating

    Different story for singles and i'd say they don't want masks to continue

    Well , this is first post on the mask thread saying something like that.


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    #4279
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    And why would we need to take precautions to engage in activities that we did without them before the whole covid thing?

    Why would we need to protect against a virus that doesn't significantly affect the overwhelming majority of people anyway, and especially when we have vaccinated the vulnerable and indeed a large proportion of perfectly healthy younger people as well?

    "just in case" isn't enough of a reason to continue with enforcing the current measures

    Poor attempt.
    Edit: actually like that part of perfectly healthy younger people. About the same level of whatever it is, as other poster put himself into speaking for others.


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    #4280
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,693 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Seanergy wrote: »
    Hear no BS, see no BS at play.


    Where did you read it technically had expired?

    According to this...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/president-asked-to-sign-draconian-emergency-covid-19-bill-early-1.4584345%3fmode=amp

    It was to go to Higgins to sign but did he actually do so?


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    #4281
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,693 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Poor attempt.

    Factually accurate given our population age and the numbers who have gotten seriously ill or unfortunately died in the last 15 months.

    We now have a tiny number in hospitals with a very small number of those in ICU yet NPHET and some of the population are still behaving as though there's a deadly mass killing virus out there.

    Thankfully covid was not that. The only thing we're protecting right now is the waste and inefficiency of the HSE and Tony Holohan's ego.


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    #4282
    Seanergy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    According to this...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/president-asked-to-sign-draconian-emergency-covid-19-bill-early-1.4584345%3fmode=amp

    It was to go to Higgins to sign but did he actually do so?


    Nothing expired according to that. You misread it or posted falsely, which was it?


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    #4283
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Factually accurate given our population age and the numbers who have gotten seriously ill or unfortunately died in the last 15 months.

    We now have a tiny number in hospitals with a very small number of those in ICU yet NPHET and some of the population are still behaving as though there's a deadly mass killing virus out there.

    Thankfully covid was not that. The only thing we're protecting right now is the waste and inefficiency of the HSE and Tony Holohan's ego.

    As I said poor attempt.


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    #4284
    Unicorn Milk Latte
    Registered Users Posts: 382 ✭✭Unicorn Milk Latte


    Gortanna wrote: »
    A large majority of people want masks to continue to be mandatory even when most people have been vaccinated:

    Followed by a link that has nothing to do with people 'wanting' to wear masks, and everything to do with strategic decisions on how exactly to proceed with opening up.

    The bottom line is: which percentage of people need to be vaccinated for which specific steps in the re-opening?


    Gortanna wrote: »

    I genuinely believe that masks are popular in Ireland. People appear to enjoy wearing them.


    Wow, this is bizarre. Why would anyone enjoy wearing a mask? This is so completely detached from reality.


    Most people wear masks in specific indoor settings, because they understand what masks do, they understand that, when 40% of the population are vaccinated, 60% are still unvaccinated, and can still get sick.

    They understand that when you open up and increase person to person contact, risk of infection is different than during a lockdown.

    They understand that, while it's quite possible that vaccination reduces transmission, this is not proven yet, and it's reasonable to follow what you know, rather than what you assume.


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    #4285
    [Deleted User]
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    Unicorn Milk Latte wrote: »
    Followed by a link that has nothing to do with people 'wanting' to wear masks, and everything to do with strategic decisions on how exactly to proceed with opening up.

    The bottom line is: which percentage of people need to be vaccinated for which specific steps in the re-opening?






    Wow, this is bizarre. Why would anyone enjoy wearing a mask? This is so completely detached from reality.


    Most people wear masks in specific indoor settings, because they understand what masks do, they understand that, when 40% of the population are vaccinated, 60% are still unvaccinated, and can still get sick.

    They understand that when you open up and increase person to person contact, risk of infection is different than during a lockdown.

    They understand that, while it's quite possible that vaccination reduces transmission, this is not proven yet, and it's reasonable to follow what you know, rather than what you assume.

    I said want masks to continue to be mandatory. But if they want them to continue to be mandatory then that means they want to wear them. I don't know what the difference is.

    But they want them to be mandatory even when herd immunity has been reached. So even with 100% of the population vaccinated (will probably be around 95% in Ireland 'cause you'll never get 100%) they'd want mask wearing to continue to be mandatory, according to that poll. The statement is about most people being vaccinated. 65% still want them to be mandatory even after most people have been vaccinated.

    People genuinely like wearing them. People have said they do. They are very popular. A minority can't stand them, but it's a tiny minority.


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    #4286
    VG31
    Registered Users Posts: 3,397 ✭✭✭VG31


    Gortanna wrote: »
    People genuinely like wearing them. People have said they do. They are very popular. A minority can't stand them, but it's a tiny minority.

    I don't know how you're reaching this conclusion, but no one one I know likes wearing masks. Some people dislike it a lot more than others but I haven't heard anyone say they want to continue wearing them after everyone is vaccinated.


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    [Deleted User]
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    VG31 wrote: »
    I don't know how you're reaching this conclusion, but no one one I know likes wearing masks. Some people dislike it a lot more than others but I haven't heard anyone say they want to continue wearing them after everyone is vaccinated.

    65% of the public want to continue wearing them post-vaccination, according to that poll. And they want people who don't want to wear them to wear them as well because they want them to continue to be mandatory.

    Granted, the following articles aren't about Ireland, but they are about people who like wearing masks:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/10/the-people-who-want-to-keep-masking-its-like-an-invisibility-cloak

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/here-are-the-people-who-love-wearing-masks-and-not-just-because-they-want-to-avoid-covid-19/2021/03/11/7c6ec586-829a-11eb-81db-b02f0398f49a_story.html

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/the-people-who-plan-on-wearing-masks-forever.html


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    #4288
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    65% of the public want to continue wearing them post-vaccination, according to that poll. And they want people who don't want to wear them to wear them as well because they want them to continue to be mandatory.

    Granted, the following articles aren't about Ireland, but they are about people who like wearing masks:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/10/the-people-who-want-to-keep-masking-its-like-an-invisibility-cloak

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/here-are-the-people-who-love-wearing-masks-and-not-just-because-they-want-to-avoid-covid-19/2021/03/11/7c6ec586-829a-11eb-81db-b02f0398f49a_story.html

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/04/the-people-who-plan-on-wearing-masks-forever.html

    So what do you want to do?


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    #4289
    [Deleted User]
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    xhomelezz wrote: »
    So what do you want to do?

    For life as it was in February 2020 to resume. People can choose to wear them. But 65% want to force everyone to wear them by wanting them to continue to be mandatory.


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    #4290
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users Posts: 5,421 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    The whole covid thing has long since drifted into lala-land. After a year and some of state sponsored fear mongering I dont even blame Joe and Mary for wanting it to continue.

    I just wonder though. If xxxhomelezz or odyssey watched the Euros and they see a stadium in Baku or wherever or they watch the tennis or they golf or whatever and see them at 10% or 15% capacity and people wearing masks and subs wearing masks and ball boys/girls wearing masks in 30 degrees celsius outside.

    Would it not strike them that there has to be large element of bull to this?


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    #4291
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 27,993 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    The whole covid thing has long since drifted into lala-land. After a year and some of state sponsored fear mongering I dont even blame Joe and Mary for wanting it to continue.
    I just wonder though. If xxxhomelezz or odyssey watched the Euros and they see a stadium in Baku or wherever or they watch the tennis or they golf or whatever and see them at 10% or 15% capacity and people wearing masks and subs wearing masks and ball boys/girls wearing masks in 30 degrees celsius outside.

    Would it not strike them that there has to be large element of bull to this?

    (ignores some nonsense about lala land and 'state sponsored fear mongering as this isn't the thread for that nonsense)

    What does 30 degrees celsius have to do with anything?
    Does that reduce the risk?
    I think that just shows how confused your logic is here.

    If you're sitting downwind of the same person for an hour, there's a risk there.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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