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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Augeo wrote: »
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    I forgot to say earlier i re-named you the other day July 19....
    And you have a fan club... clique...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I really haven't laughed so much in ages
    Vaccine data is not Locked in the HSE attack.
    As for OP telling us to Stay Home, I did for 15 months. My next home will be Mountjoy if I have to stay here any longer.


    I think its a bit of a laugh myself.
    I was not saying stay at home, just passing message on.


  • Posts: 17,728 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I forgot to say earlier i re-named you the other day July 19....
    And you have a fan club... clique...

    I renamed you "hasn't heard the news"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Augeo wrote: »
    I renamed you "hasn't heard the news"


    Trouble is there is no news on this except July 19 as you keep saying...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,161 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    Trouble is there is no news on this except July 19 as you keep saying...

    On the second of June that is reasonable


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Caranica wrote: »
    On the second of June that is reasonable


    Considering most people buy flights well in advance i think it is reasonable to have confirmation of roll-out in advance which is the reason i asked .
    It will not effect me personally as i have a safety net.

    From the links i seen here it seems we know more about what is going on around Europe than at home.
    I really am not too bothered either way but i like to know what happening in advance.
    It may be possible we are just being cautious which is fine but i think we should be told of options going forward....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭killbillvol2


    Considering most people buy flights well in advance i think it is reasonable to have confirmation of roll-out in advance which is the reason i asked .
    It will not effect me personally as i have a safety net.

    From the links i seen here it seems we know more about what is going on around Europe than at home.
    I really am not too bothered either way but i like to know what happening in advance.
    It may be possible we are just being cautious which is fine but i think we should be told of options going forward....

    When we are told of the options, only one thing is certain - you will be the last to know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,411 ✭✭✭✭woodchuck


    We're getting married in September (our 3rd date after postponing twice...) and had resigned myself to a honeymoon in Ireland. But with all the news about the Covid travel certs, I'm starting to consider a honeymoon within Europe.

    It still feels risky though because:
    - The status of a country could change while you're there, so there's a risk of ending up in a quartenine hotel on the way back
    - There seems to be a high risk of fights being cancelled these days

    As much as I'd LOVE to go abroad for our honeymoon after the wedding, I'm worried that all the uncertainty of foreign travel will be a lot of stress. And planning a wedding during a pandemic is stressful enough!! Not sure what to do though, as I love to travel and never would've imagined a honeymoon in Ireland ffs...


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    woodchuck wrote: »
    We're getting married in September (our 3rd date after postponing twice...) and had resigned myself to a honeymoon in Ireland. But with all the news about the Covid travel certs, I'm starting to consider a honeymoon within Europe.

    It still feels risky though because:
    - The status of a country could change while you're there, so there's a risk of ending up in a quartenine hotel on the way back
    - There seems to be a high risk of fights being cancelled these days

    As much as I'd LOVE to go abroad for our honeymoon after the wedding, I'm worried that all the uncertainty of foreign travel will be a lot of stress. And planning a wedding during a pandemic is stressful enough!! Not sure what to do though, as I love to travel and never would've imagined a honeymoon in Ireland ffs...

    Congratulations and best wishes for a long, happy and healthy life together.

    Personally, I’d delay the honeymoon until the world Covid situation is more settled.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭xtradel


    woodchuck wrote: »
    We're getting married in September (our 3rd date after postponing twice...) and had resigned myself to a honeymoon in Ireland. But with all the news about the Covid travel certs, I'm starting to consider a honeymoon within Europe.

    It still feels risky though because:
    - The status of a country could change while you're there, so there's a risk of ending up in a quartenine hotel on the way back
    - There seems to be a high risk of fights being cancelled these days

    As much as I'd LOVE to go abroad for our honeymoon after the wedding, I'm worried that all the uncertainty of foreign travel will be a lot of stress. And planning a wedding during a pandemic is stressful enough!! Not sure what to do though, as I love to travel and never would've imagined a honeymoon in Ireland ffs...


    Book it to feck! All going well ye will have the memory of the most wonderful trip away as Mr. & Mrs. All goes wrong ye will have the memory of being stuck in a quarentine hotel as Mr. & Mrs. riding the faces off each other!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 825 ✭✭✭raspberrypi67


    Any word on the roll-out of this?

    Hi, just wanted to say that my son who decided he was going off to Malaga (age20), with the lads is due to come back.
    His buddies , it seems, who have since returned, were doing some scam with software, to make out they had a negative PCR test by copying the negative antigen test and making out that it was a PCR test.
    I think it's a disgrace to be honest. Apparently the hostess, once she sees it's negative, she/he is none the wiser.

    Pass this on if possible, making me a lot less likely to get onto a plane now if this is how lax they are in the identification of the paperwork getting on ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Hi, just wanted to say that my son who decided he was going off to Malaga (age20), with the lads is due to come back.
    His buddies , it seems, who have since returned, were doing some scam with software, to make out they had a negative PCR test by copying the negative antigen test and making out that it was a PCR test.
    I think it's a disgrace to be honest. Apparently the hostess, once she sees it's negative, she/he is none the wiser.

    Pass this on if possible, making me a lot less likely to get onto a plane now if this is how lax they are in the identification of the paperwork getting on ...






    The responsibility here lies with DAA, the Airline has absolutely no responsibility for testing. I am not even sure that the Airline can refuse boarding if we have boarding pass as this id the contract between the Airline and customer complete in my view. They should be sent to MQ for 2 weeks on arrival.
    Tell your son the PCR test is €50+ at Malaga Airport and the antigen about €10 less.[
    I be surprised if they can be changed as it has QR code. I am actually looking at a test result as we speak....


  • Registered Users Posts: 382 ✭✭Unicorn Milk Latte


    When I brought my regular old WHO international vaccination passport to the first vaccination appointment in May, they didn't know what to do with it... :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    When I brought my regular old WHO international vaccination passport to the first vaccination appointment in May, they didn't know what to do with it... :confused:


    To be fair an old document has little to do with a virus that's about 18 months old.
    Why did you think this info needed.... they have enough goin on....


  • Registered Users Posts: 382 ✭✭Unicorn Milk Latte


    To be fair an old document has little to do with a virus that's about 18 months old.
    Why did you think this info needed.... they have enough goin on....

    This is a booklet, where every new vaccination is written in by hand (type, date, name of GP), along with a stamp from the physician who administers it.


    So, when you get bitten by a dog, and get a Tetanus shot, a new entry goes into the booklet.


    My assumption was that there would be a new entry for the Covid vaccine, same as for every other vaccination.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 591 ✭✭✭Garlinge


    I still have my yellow vaccination booklet from 1966 when a smallpox vaccine was needed to travel to Germany.


  • Registered Users Posts: 142 ✭✭Dhenalau




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,161 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    Dhenalau wrote: »

    They said 19 July for months. They have 6 weeks to implement it so be glad they're not going to the wire.


  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Caranica wrote: »
    They said 19 July for months. They have 6 weeks to implement it so be glad they're not going to the wire.

    6 weeks, they’ve 18 days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Caranica wrote: »
    They said 19 July for months. They have 6 weeks to implement it so be glad they're not going to the wire.

    Continually told how great we are at getting things done we did not get this one right.
    I came into Dublin last week and the same person had to check passport, passenger locator form and the PCR test result. Crazy stuff.
    We need to up our game at our Airports with QR scanners...


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Continually told how great we are at getting things done we did not get this one right.
    I came into Dublin last week and the same person had to check passport, passenger locator form and the PCR test result. Crazy stuff.
    We need to up our game at our Airports with QR scanners...

    Imagine the outrage if you had to queue for 3 different people to check your paperwork! Or if it was left to a machine!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Imagine the outrage if you had to queue for 3 different people to check your paperwork! Or if it was left to a machine!

    Something that has a digital code is designed to be scanned.
    The info is confirmed and creates by QR code and read by same.
    Imagine the outrage if pencils were now used in supermarkets...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,161 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    6 weeks, they’ve 18 days.

    The EU gave us 6 weeks! Ireland set the 19 July deadline, ie not taking the full six weeks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Caranica wrote: »
    The EU gave us 6 weeks! Ireland set the 19 July deadline, ie not taking the full six weeks.

    That’s what I said……18 days.

    And to be fair the phase in period started today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Caranica wrote: »
    The EU gave us 6 weeks! Ireland set the 19 July deadline, ie not taking the full six weeks.


    The 6 weeks was given to all.
    The other countries were ready, we did not prepare as we were told there be no foreign travel this year. Then we had to decide if we were part of EU or not.
    It has being talked about here for Months...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    What's the story with going away? I have to go to Brussels for 5 days next week. Flights and Covid test booked. Assuming virus free, what proof do you need to avoid that ludicrous fine?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    What's the story with going away? I have to go to Brussels for 5 days next week. Flights and Covid test booked. Assuming virus free, what proof do you need to avoid that ludicrous fine?


    HAVING TO GO, that's enough reason but you will be asked why you goin... you will be asked at check-in by Gardai but no problem....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,161 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    The 6 weeks was given to all.
    The other countries were ready, we did not prepare as we were told there be no foreign travel this year. Then we had to decide if we were part of EU or not.
    It has being talked about here for Months...

    How many times do I have to remind you that our health service it system was hacked? We don't have infinite tech resources and everybody needs the health service to function. Not everybody needs to travel


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Caranica wrote: »
    How many times do I have to remind you that our health service it system was hacked? We don't have infinite tech resources and everybody needs the health service to function. Not everybody needs to travel




    I was very forcefully told here by possibly (you) on here that the Covid system unaffected by the hack, i am sure i can find the comment...
    We are playing catch-up as usual..


  • Registered Users Posts: 710 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    Caranica wrote: »
    How many times do I have to remind you that our health service it system was hacked? We don't have infinite tech resources and everybody needs the health service to function. Not everybody needs to travel

    The hack had no effect on this. Donnelly stated as much on the radio this morning. This is pure incompetence.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,161 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    I was very forcefully told here by possibly (you) on here that the Covid system unaffected by the hack, i am sure i can find the comment...
    We are playing catch-up as usual..

    Not by me. My point is not that the data was affected anyway. My point was that a lot of the people who would have been working on whatever they're calling this view, were pulled in to work on getting the HSE systems back up.

    We will have it in place by the 19th, which is well within the deadline period. Nothing anyone posts on here will change that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    Caranica wrote: »
    Not by me. My point is not that the data was affected anyway. My point was that a lot of the people who would have been working on whatever they're calling this view, were pulled in to work on getting the HSE systems back up.

    We will have it in place by the 19th, which is well within the deadline period. Nothing anyone posts on here will change that.


    The simple fact is all of the IT technology for the world is based in this Country.
    Yet we are 18 day behind all the other EU Countries.
    BTW this QR system on arrival is in place in some EU countries since summer last year..
    The point you are making is lost on me..
    As of last week there were no QR scanners at arrivals at Dublin Airport but everywhere for Departure at security and gates...
    We need to up the game....


  • Posts: 596 [Deleted User]


    I was very forcefully told here by possibly (you) on here that the Covid system unaffected by the hack, i am sure i can find the comment...
    We are playing catch-up as usual..

    The Covid IT system was not hacked, it's Salesforce and thus cloud based. The IT system that would interface it to the EU's digital green cert or whatever it's called was affected by the hack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭SweetSand


    I honestly don’t understand the hype re COVID passports. Individual countries within EU can still impose COVID restrictions and etc. We were told last year - wait to get vaccinated and life will go back to old normality. It never really happened and it won’t as kids can’t get vaccinated. To me COVID passport is the same. Ok, maybe for vaccinated people with no kids it might make travel a bit easier but essentially it’s the same as having negative test. So although it might make your travel a bit easier but it’s definitely not a magic key that will open every door for you. Am I missing something?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    The Covid IT system was not hacked, it's Salesforce and thus cloud based. The IT system that would interface it to the EU's digital green cert or whatever it's called was affected by the hack.


    So what are you saying if you know..
    We have not interfaced with the EU as we not ready so that out...
    For me we did not want to do so we did not prepare...
    Prepare to fail..... result fail...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    SweetSand wrote: »
    I honestly don’t understand the hype re COVID passports. Individual countries within EU can still impose COVID restrictions and etc. We were told last year - wait to get vaccinated and life will go back to old normality. It never really happened and it won’t as kids can’t get vaccinated. To me COVID passport is the same. Ok, maybe for vaccinated people with no kids it might make travel a bit easier but essentially it’s the same as having negative test. So although it might make your travel a bit easier but it’s definitely not a magic key that will open every door for you. Am I missing something?


    Your missing nothing.
    I was very disappointed the EU did not do this last year and to be fair they couldn't until it evolved.
    Now there needs to be some formal structure to travel there will be a system in place going forward.
    Now i think Countries can adapt as needed so at least there be a system in place to opt in/out etc....


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭Henno30


    I'm travelling home with my wife and our 6 month old to introduce him to his grandparents on July 16th. We're both vaccinated with the 'passports' - but am I right in saying it makes no difference whatsoever?

    We still need the rt-pcr test - exactly the same as if we hadn't bothered getting vaccinated at all?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭P2C


    Yes as our restrictions don’t change until the 19th of July. Therefore you will need a negative PCR
    Henno30 wrote: »
    I'm travelling home with my wife and our 6 month old to introduce him to his grandparents on July 16th. We're both vaccinated with the 'passports' - but am I right in saying it makes no difference whatsoever?

    We still need the rt-pcr test - exactly the same as if we hadn't bothered getting vaccinated at all?


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    Henno30 wrote: »
    I'm travelling home with my wife and our 6 month old to introduce him to his grandparents on July 16th. We're both vaccinated with the 'passports' - but am I right in saying it makes no difference whatsoever?

    We still need the rt-pcr test - exactly the same as if we hadn't bothered getting vaccinated at all?

    A PCR test before you travel to protect fellow travellers and family you’ll be visiting. Clear Test after 5 days and you’re free to enjoy the reunion.
    Best wishes.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    A PCR test before you travel to protect fellow travellers and family you’ll be visiting. Clear Test after 5 days and you’re free to enjoy the reunion.
    Best wishes.


    I do not agree.
    We are asked to put faith in vaccine yet the very people who ask do not trust the PCR result. So we get tested 5 days later.
    Tell me what makes sense here....


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I do not agree.
    We are asked to put faith in vaccine yet the very people who ask do not trust the PCR result. So we get tested 5 days later.
    Tell me what makes sense here....

    It’s still early days. Taking a PCR test before travel is sensible and considerate. A follow up test 5 days later is just confirming your right to mix freely. If you’ve got a problem with that, tough. Don’t travel and risk spreading disease.


  • Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭bonjurkes


    The problem is not 5 days later follow up case, you need to lock yourself inside your house for 5 days after your arrival, have the test, only then you are free to go out. It kind of defeats the purpose of being fully vaccinated to be able to travel freely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,426 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    It’s still early days. Taking a PCR test before travel is sensible and considerate. A follow up test 5 days later is just confirming your right to mix freely. If you’ve got a problem with that, tough. Don’t travel and risk spreading disease.


    Its all down to trust.

    Each person is responsible not to carry the virus, the Government do not trust us it is plain to see.

    So we're accepting that the vaccine is not effective if we fallow your advise...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,358 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    The Covid IT system was not hacked, it's Salesforce and thus cloud based. The IT system that would interface it to the EU's digital green cert or whatever it's called was affected by the hack.

    I doubt that you know what you're talking about. The vaccination system is Salesforce based. It doesn't require linking to what you refer to as the EU digital cert. There's no massive Central EU database. Instead the system relies on the QR code being digitally signed by the appropriate country authority and being able to verify that.

    Basically it's the same as going on your browser to any HTTPS website and then inspecting the certificate in the browser bar to see if that site is genuine by the certificate it uses.

    Incorporating private test results is a different kettle of fish though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭mickuhaha


    The vaccine is aimed at protecting the individual who takes it. It doesn't stop them from catching or carrying the virus and passing it onto others. The vaccine passport is a con job for this reason. I remember six months ago when young people started to ignore restrictions and going out to meet up and socialize. People gave out stink, putting themselves first and risking spreading covid just because they were low risk. Now the people who have vaccines who were the high risk are saying they want to go out and socialize, and let the young stay at home. What a joke. Where is the " we're all in this together" attitude now! We all need to hide at home together until everyone is offered a vaccine.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    mickuhaha wrote: »
    The vaccine is aimed at protecting the individual who takes it. It doesn't stop them from catching or carrying the virus and passing it onto others. The vaccine passport is a con job for this reason. I remember six months ago when young people started to ignore restrictions and going out to meet up and socialize. People gave out stink, putting themselves first and risking spreading covid just because they were low risk. Now the people who have vaccines who were the high risk are saying they want to go out and socialize, and let the young stay at home. What a joke. Where is the " we're all in this together" attitude now! We all need to hide at home together until everyone is offered a vaccine.

    Unless this has changed in the last week, I've read nothing definitive that this is the case. The latest that I'd read, at worst it significantly reduces the changes of spreading it. Still inconclusive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭mickuhaha


    givyjoe wrote: »
    Unless this has changed in the last week, I've read nothing definitive that this is the case. The latest that I'd read, at worst it significantly reduces the changes of spreading it. Still inconclusive.
    Well it's not too hard to figure out. There was an article about nurses who caught covid and tested positive after previously having had it and received a vaccine. They had to isolate like everyone else who had covid.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,287 ✭✭✭givyjoe


    mickuhaha wrote: »
    Well it's not too hard to figure out. There was an article about nurses who caught covid and tested positive after previously having had it and received a vaccine. They had to isolate like everyone else who had covid.

    I think that's just a precaution, rather than concrete science behind it, particularly if their medical professionals. Not the kind of experiment/chance you want to be taking in a medical environment, if they do indeed establish a sizable number of vaccinated actually pass it on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 475 ✭✭mickuhaha


    givyjoe wrote: »
    I think that's just a precaution, rather than concrete science behind it, particularly if their medical professionals. Not the kind of experiment/chance you want to be taking in a medical environment, if they do indeed establish a sizable number of vaccinated actually pass it on.

    I decided to look up your position with the WHO. The below is taken from their website.

    "But while vaccinated people are less likely to be hospitalized because of the disease, this doesn’t mean they should drop their guard: they can still get ill from the virus and can still spread it to others."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭PureBred


    Anyone know if the the cardboard vaccine proof is acceptable for Spain. I know you can't enter the details on the SpTH Spain Travel Health site until after 48 hours before your flight time to get the QR code


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