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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Quite normal in countries that have, or have had an outdoor mask mandate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,620 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Again there you go - permits the minister to make regulations. Those regulations dont exist, nor do we have any idea if they ever will.

    If the Minister fully intended on rolling out antigen/PCR testing as a means of allowing access, why not include it in the legislation already? Instead we get discriminatory legislation and the Govt on summer break.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,845 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Of course it's not - only a clown would argue otherwise.


    It's like the people who jump out onto the road when they are walking past you on the footpath - the chances of contracting Covid and dieing are so miniscule they couldn't be calculated but they are in real danger of being run over by a van.


    Lot of really stupid people out there - I suspected as much but Covid has brought that home in a big way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    I am unashamed to be blinded with tears and have shaking hands as I try write this..

    Yesterday I rang as many tds as I could....today I have just got off the phone with the Áras...and asked for the President to convene a Council of State and not sign such a bill into law.

    I and my remaining parent who is the Presidents age are beyond disturbed. A person in their twilight years who twice survived TB (and even had a covid 94.5% recovery rate pre vax)should not have to be in fear for the future for those who they will leave behind.

    I have not seen,touched or held them in over a year and a half. (Not everyone drives before you ask)... We talk on the phone..I saw their stress aged face just once during that time on a borrowed mobile on Christmas Day...This bill and those behind it, to say the least ...are still fracturing familys between those vaxed and those exempt or already naturally immune.

    Email info @president.ie

    Other contact details

    I love ...my beautiful country Ireland dearly ..flaws and all but this is the line in these green fields we should not step over unless we all do so together.


    Go n-éirí an bóthar linn

    Speckle

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    A reminder that hospitality opened at the end of last summer with grand total of 0 people vaccinated and no need for tests.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Quite incredible what's happening in Scotland. A collapse in positivity rate now down to 6% and a clear downward trend in case figures.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    I assume you not only haven't read the proposed legislation, you didn't read my post either.

    It's there in black and white, "persons who have received the results of medical tests"

    The fact that it's down to the minister to decide if/when it should be implemented doesn't change that.

    Until then, like it or not you'll need to be vaccinated or recovered to avail of indoor hospitality. That's probably a sensible approach for now.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    That's great to see. Would be really interesting to find out what's behind the drop.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,684 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    I went to a music festival in the north at the weekend. The capacity was 2,500 but I think there were only about 2,000 people there. Pure bliss. Everyone was encouraged to stick to their 'bubbles' and there were Covid Marshals onsite but it was very light touch. Towards the end of the evening social distancing was out the window for a lot of people. It was fantastic to be drinking in a field and watching some excellent local bands again. They have another festival in August, all being well. The capacity for that will be 5,000. The usual capacity for the festival is 10,000.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival, And So I Watch You From Afar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Any discussions in the Scotland as to why this is happening? Have they seen a shift in people's behaviour (more cautious) or a drop Scotland were eliminated from the Euros. Good news for them in any case.



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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    The Bill for those who wish to read it


    Barristers take on it.. a fairly fair (which you can check reading the above )deconstruction takes place of it contents from the 1minute mark and shows how open it is to being abused on top of its already discrimnatory nature.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭Amadan Dubh


    NPHET and the government are acting like the establishment did in the times of the magdalene laundries. Burying their heads in the sand.


    Tony and NPHET refuse to recommend antigen testing, they ignore what other EU countries are doing in this regard and yet they act as if their recommendations are somehow most appropriate for Ireland, that Ireland has a different variant.


    Yet, they know full well that Irish people can travel unrestricted across the EU without a reasonable excuse already (since 5th July), that Irish people can go over the border no problem for a weekend trip and adhere to much weaker covid guidance. But once it isn't happening in the open in Ireland, they want to ignore that there is a problem. Noting from the article above that a lot of cases are positive following people returning from holidays, it isn't telling a big picture of the state of covid in Ireland by just testing people who contracted it in other countries!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,620 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    "The fact that it's down to the minister to decide if/when it should be implemented doesn't change that."


    Yes of course it does. If my Aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

    Until such a time as the minister implements it, it is not legal. There is neither a timeline or definite commitment to implement it either. You cant seriously be using "potential" regulations to defend your POV?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    No doubt she'll be launching yet another legal challenge after the supreme success of the previous ones.

    Oh wait.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭brickster69


    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle



    What do you think of the bill not the woman? Do you have another barrister putting a different point of view across that we could listen too. I thought as I said it was a fairly fair representation after reading the bill itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,910 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's quite normal behaviour if he is worried about catching the disease from somebody else or maybe he wants to protect the others around him in case he gets a phonecall from contact traci. I think it was last december when facemasks outdoors became advisory and I don't think it's changed since so sorry to prove you wrong

    To me it looks like the high rate of vaccinations in Scotland is after putting a sudden stop to the delta mutation in the middle of it's rise... But don't take what I say as gospel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭TomSweeney


    HSE are saying 5% of cases are fully vaccinated people , but aren't the best vaccines (Pfizer/moderna...) 95% effective, so we should expect numbers like this ?

    Is this more fear mongering or am I missing something ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No, it's expected but they are protected from serious illness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,622 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭TomSweeney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,751 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Because the media love to cast doubt into people's minds constantly. It's not news, you're right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It may well have been an answer to a question. Media tend to report all that is said at the briefing.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham




  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    There's nothing particularly surprising about the bill, entirely appropriate in the current circumstance although I haven't yet read the second part which appears mostly related to quarantine.

    As to 'the woman', can't say I'm anyway interested in her opinion at all. I certainly don't require her assistance in representing it to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭TomsOnTheRoof


    Her contempt for the government aside I thought she did a very good job at highlighting the issues with the amendment. Too vague and too open to abuse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's adequate enough for its likely temporary purpose. Over the next 6 weeks vaccinations should knock case numbers on the head.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭landofthetree



    As I predicted.

    All adults will be vaccinated and they will say all 12-17 year olds need to be vaccinated. Then they will say 2-11 year olds. When that is done we will need boosters for adults. We ain't opening up fully this winter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    There's no great consensus whether we need to do this, nor whether it is a useful exercise. Even if do it, it'll be done in schools in September and October.



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