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New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,656 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Youtube views will not keep a station on air though, they are bleeding TV viewers and therefore sponsors are bleeding money.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    And? Fine for a single anti-woke snowflake and an editor perhaps. Not so much for a swathe of them.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,298 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    They have 500 videos on their channel. 10m views over 500 videos is an average of 20k views per video.

    No wonder it's so warm. GB News is so hot they're setting the world on fire!



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,875 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,480 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Thanks for highlighting an example of a employer reprimanding their employee for expressing their personal opinion.

    And double thanks for a BBC one, that was criticizing the UK right wing government and not those socialists.



  • Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The amount of capitalists in the world vs amount who identify as such is v.small and an impressive use of propganda



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Cool, so when is this gonna reflect in actual viewing figures? Ten million also isn't that big if it's across multiple videos. Eg John Oliver put up a video a week ago about octopuses, that's on 3 million views for that one video...



  • Registered Users Posts: 373 ✭✭Gentlemanne


    There is a child on youtube who reviews toys and I'm certain he has received more views than GB News has over the same period. Does not mean he's important or relevant.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He's the voice of a generation, the silent majority.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,578 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    There's videos of cats doing silly things that have more views.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well, it'll be interesting to see what figures Nigel Farage is able to draw at 7pm given the widespread advertising over the weekend.

    It's just been announced that the GB News app downloads has reached 200,000.

    I for one will be a viewer.

    GB News has a good future ahead of it, of that I have no doubt - even if the collective view among this thread is to the contrary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    what is that view based on? is it more hope than expectation?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Does he have a harem of professional snowflakes and fatuous morons to support?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nigel Farage has promoted his upcoming TV show on social media and reached 7.5 million views after the first 24-hours. Goodness knows what the figure is likely to be now.

    He has also published an article in The Telegraph about GB News / promoting his new TV show.

    All in all, there is some level of excitement regarding the news. He is a big draw for the channel at that time, even if you personally dislike him.

    He did well on LBC at 7pm and the show is expected to follow the same sort of format. So, I cannot see how this can fail. If anything, as I say, it can only serve to boost the channel to the next level.

    Hopefully when Andrew Neil returns to his 8pm slot, things will improve yet further.

    Dan Wootton isn't doing too bad either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,298 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    You're ignoring the fact that Farage has made numerous appearances on GB News already. He's already a regular contributor, the only difference is now he has his own show. So viewing figures with Farage on the channel aren't an unknown quantity, we already know viewership doesn't rise significantly because of him. Also, a quick scan of GB News' youtube page shows that videos featuring Farage don't do any better numbers than most of their other stuff.

    They'll see a bump in viewing figures for a week or two with Farage and with Neil coming back. After that they're likely to fall again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    7.5M views and just over 13K liked his tweet. and only 842 bothered to comment. Now i am no expert on twitter metrics but that doesn't seem great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Isn't this getting a bit extreme now?

    It doesn't seem to matter how well GB news is doing, someone comes along to re-interpret the numbers in some cynically negative, doom-laden light.

    It's desperation for the channel to fail, and nothing more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    nothing extreme at all. you make a big deal about that 7.5M number. I'm asking if that translates to anything useful from the perspective of a broadcaster.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nigel Farage released a video of what GB News is like backstage.

    It certainly looks quite professional, even if not as large as other channels. Farage also acknowledged the many start-up glitches that were capitalized by the Left - almost all of which have been fixed.

    Onwards and upwards for GB News. Looking forward to his show at 7pm. Hopefully it's not a disappointment!




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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The proof will be in the ratings and so far the ratings are beyond awful. The level of viewership has been so low that it doesn't actually register as "viewers".

    All of the other "news" channels are getting orders of magnitude more viewers.

    At time slots where BBC and SKY were getting between 50k and 70k viewers for their Broadcast , GB News had statistically ZERO viewers.

    As I have always said , this channel is a vanity project for a number of wealthy backers - They are never going to be profitable , they just aren't. That isn't a dig at GB News specifically , news channels just don't make money but places like BBC/ITV/SKY can offset those losses with the rest of the their broadcast output.

    How long GB News last is solely at the discretion of it's financial backers - How long are they willing to pour money down the drain here??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭KildareP


    The only metrics that matter for a Broadcast TV Channel is BARB and the BARB ratings are a disaster right now. Nothing else matters. Not Youtube subscriber numbers, not Twitter likes/share/view counts.

    If they hoped to derive a sizable income from Youtube then they wouldn't have launched as a broadcast TV channel as it wouldn't make any sense. To run the sort of revenue a broadcast TV channel requires would need millions of views per video and naturally a subscriber count many, many multiples of that. They have neither.

    If you want to look at Farage's own success and track record of what he might bring to the table, well then you have to correlate his online success against his ability to translate that into real-world results:

    • His personal election performances in local and Westminster elections are woeful, being beaten in one instance by a man dressed as a dolphin
    • His Brexit party achieved a miniscule share of the overall vote in 2019 and failed to win a single seat in any local or Westminster election
    • His attendance and success at getting things done in the EU Parliament, which he did manage to get elected to, are amongst the worst of any MEP
    • His "March to Leave" attracted 100 people on the best day, there'd be more people walking to the gates of a school on a lashing wet morning.

    The big question is thus what can he bring to the table that is going to build audience share and make advertisers spend? Because although he might build audience, if it's not an audience demographic that advertisers want to pursue then it's a dud anyway.

    In which case, they had better find someone with deep pockets willing to bankroll them indefinitely or their future as it stands now is extremely bleak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,654 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    But it isn't doing well and your desperation for it to succeed is just making you look silly as you resort to quoting YouTube views and Farage's tweet figures. Neither of those things matter, it's a tv channel whose success will be determined by its viewing figures. And as we've seen so far, it's failing miserably on that front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,578 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    I'll be blunt with you.

    The only one here who's coming across as "extreme" and "desperate" is you, and to be honest, it's coming across as a bit creepy too. There isn't anyone who has looked at GB News and considered any kind of success, neither in it's month and a half on air, nor for its immediate future given the data thus far. But you seem to want to believe that there are great things ahead, based on absolutely nothing. You'd have to completely ignore the facts on the table in order to be such a groupie.

    There's people associated with the actual channel that aren't exhibiting such blind faith.

    As for your YouTube numbers, they mean nothing. Nothing at all, which has been pointed out to you. In fact, their not that great when context is taken into account. Any, in any case YouTube is no arbiter of anything, especially regarding the success or failure of the "news" channel in question. But the honest assessment here is that GB News has been an unmitigated disaster and there's nothing to suggest that that will turn around any time soon. It may limp on for the foreseeable and it may experience some upticks here and there. But without some real serious reevaluation of its content and approach, the future (all present present things considered) does not look bright at all.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nigel Farage won the 2014 European Elections, the first time since 1904 that a party other than Labour or Conservative managed to achieve. This forced Mr Cameron into holding a referendum on the European question.

    Nigel Farage was instrumental in securing the Brexit vote -- with 52% of the population opting to Brexit. This toppled David Cameron.

    Nigel Farage, in the UKIP reincarnation as the Brexit Party, won the European Election. This toppled Theresa May.

    And you refer to the parliamentary seats in the House of Commons. Given the first pass the post nature, it's far more difficult than if it were proportional representation. You'll note that when it is proportional representation (European Elections), Farage always comes out on top.

    In 2014, Farage secured 4 million votes in the General Election.

    You can selectively choose facts and opt to spin all you wish, but the fact is - the above is quite impressive for an individual working outside the established House of Commons.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Nonsense. What forced the referendum was Cameron's wafer thin majority and his rebellious backbenchers. Had he a better majority or a more compliant party, the man who failed to get elected to the House of Commons seven times wouldn't even be talked about.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The thing about Farages election wins is that he only wins when his name isn't on the ballot.

    In the list system used for EU elections voters choose a party , not a person . The person is then selected from the list.

    It's interesting to note that he was only able to win European elections where the UK didn't really give a monkeys and where the understanding was that MEP's have no influence.

    However , whenever he asked the British public to give him the ability to directly influence their lives in the Houses of Parliament , he never even came remotely close to winning a seat.

    What that suggests to me is that Farage was the MEP equivalent of choosing Dustin the Turkey for the Eurovision - "We don't really give a toss about this MEP rubbish , let's just pick a Joke candidate loon to annoy everybody".

    In terms of him having a positive impact on GB News viewership , he'll likely provide a short lived bump. Just like when it launched and (it would appear) quite a few people switched over , took a look and very quickly decided - "Nope!!!" and switched off soon after.

    The same will happen with Farage - "Hey , let's see what Farage is up to on GB News" , followed quickly by "Oh right , same old guff as usual, move on so"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,537 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    MEPs have even less influence when they don't bother to turn up to do the job they are elected to do. Farage excelled himself with how little influence he had as an MEP.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Do you seriously believe that, in a European Election, the fact that UKIP won both the 2014 and 2019 elections -- had no consequence on politics and direction in the House of Commons?

    UKIP landed a political earthquake in both elections. The resulting purple rash spreading across the UK undermined the Conservative vote (in both subsequent General Elections) and so the party had to respond and attempt to neutralise the threat.

    Cameron miscalculated, and lost. True, there were long-term backbench rebels in the Conservatives -- but that's been the case since the early 90s.

    It was UKIP, and Farage in particular, that catalysed the question into one that required a referendum.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭KildareP


    It's a bit ironic when you accuse me of "selectively choosing facts" and "opting to spin".

    Essentially you're saying Farage would have won a parliamentary seat if it wasn't for FPTP. Like your BARB-Youtube deflection, it's not relevant to the discussion. The parliamentary system in place in the UK is FPTP so under that system, Farage has never succeeded in getting people to back him on anything more than a (very) small scale. "He would have won if we counted it X way" doesn't and couldn't apply. As for the one seat UKIP managed to win, it was an ex-Tory MP!

    Cameron called for the Brexit question because there was a large (and increasing) faction within the Tories that were unhappy with the EU. Cameron didn't expect leave to win. Funnily, neither did Farage at the time either. As soon as Leave won, Cameron abandons ship and Mr Farage departs off into the sunset along with a sizable number of those directly responsible for the Leave outcome. I've yet to see any sort of workable plan from Farage and Friends on how the UK should leave other than the UK calling the shots over the EU on what should happen. It's easy to campaign for something, the hard graft is in actually implementing it in a workable way.

    Now for the facts you selectively chose not to address:

    • Youtube subscriber count is still irrelevant in gauging the success of a broadcast TV channel
    • A tweet's impression is not an accurate gauge on viewer potential
    • Farage's turnout in the EU Parliament was pathetic
    • He was on the fisheries committee and showed up to 1 meeting out of 42
    • He subsequently attended protests as part of Vote Leave and Brexit, protesting against issues that were within the remit of, no prizes for guessing this one, the fisheries committee he never bothered his backside showing up to.

    But hey, I'm sure Farage will work his finest rabble rousing to date on GB News and you'll be here next week and beyond telling us how GB News and Farage is smashing all of the others out of the park (just ignore the BARB ratings).



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,225 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    And further on Farage - I seriously doubt that there is a single person that would be genuinely interested in Farage that isn't already watching GB News to some extent.

    There really aren't huge numbers of people out there that aren't watching it today that are suddenly going to think "Hey , they've got Nigel Farage fantastic , cancel our plans , we've got several hours a night of right wing bile and irritating gurning to watch!!".

    I'd submit that a decent chunk of his listeners on LBC were there for the entertainment value from the callers rather than wanting to hear what Farage had to say.

    Unless his show is a phone in (which would quite honestly, be comedy gold) it will be just him and a few guests screaming into the void.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I do. Have a look at turnout figures for them. The Brits barely even bother to vote and when they do, they vote for grifter clowns.


    UKIP caused nothing. FPTP made sure they'd never win any sort of power. Since Maastrict in the early 1990's, there's been a civil war brewing in the Tory party. That's what made Cameron promise a referendum at Lancaster House and then have to follow through with it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Yes but lots of people saw a Nigel Farage tweet so viewership and advertisement costs don't matter. If we assume that Twitter pays a euro to the tweeter for each time a tweet is viewed, that's 75,000,000 euro straight into the GB News coffers. No need for viewership or advertisers with that kind of money.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Yeah but 75 million saw that tweet so that's already money in the bank once the cheque from twitter clears.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,875 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    Do you think Youtube or twitter pay any money at all to the likes of NF or GBNews without getting their own advertising revenue then you must be a dreamer.

    Of course, irony is difficult to detect when it is written down.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    If they aren't being paid for the tweets, then why do fans of Gammon Broadcast News keep shíting on about it?

    Is it like the way that a last-placed loser in a foot race might brag about how handsome he was? In other words, completely irrelevant to their prospects?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,297 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Quite similar to many other threads on here, like the Donald Trump thread for instance.

    The same old usual suspects disingenuously ranting and raving, all the while trying to maintain the pretence that that they are objective.







  • Registered Users Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Yes, yes. It's everyone else who is wrong. No way could it be yourself.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Just watching Farage now - only 15 minutes in and a very clean, professional performance / broadcast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,656 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Really? He is waffling, something about migrants (nothing new there) then a whinge about the EU flag and the Olympics.... and he calls this a WTF (What The Farage) moment.

    Nothing new, nothing interesting, just more right wing hyperbole from a failed politician who's trying to stay relevant.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Failed politician? He spent almost 30 years trying to secure Brexit -- and achieved precisely that, and outside the Houses of Parliament, too. That's astonishingly successful, as even his most ardent political opponents admit.

    As for the programme, I enjoyed it. We need some semblance of balance, and Farage delivers precisely that. Clearly, if you are of a left-wing disposition, then Nigel Farage is a far-right fascist etc., the language that the Owen Jones' of the world love to ventilate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,656 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I didnt call him a "right wing facist" you did, I personally think he is an odious little shìt who appeals to the people of England who are in the lower I.Q range.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    52% of the UK population are "in the lower IQ range" because they voted Brexit?

    That's condescending for sure, but it's also borderline a racist statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,112 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I don't think you actually understand the term racist...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    He's also bringing lots of views

    this was released today and it has already 10K views within a few hours

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM1qqkefeX0



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,615 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Why are you saying this if it's condescending and potentially racist?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If I said that 52% of Nigerians voted a certain way because they are "in the lower IQ range", that would be condemned as racist - in the sense that I'd be tarring the majority of a population as stupid.

    It's equally as abhorrent if the same kind of statement is applied to the UK population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,112 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    You don't understand the term racist. Prove me wrong. You've yet to do that.



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