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Murder at the Cottage | Sky

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭TheW1zard




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Sinead’s lunch with IB is a new low for Irish journalism: two egos jousting while adding nothing to the sum of our knowledge about this horrible murder.

    Comically, IB was a macho control freak while setting up this interview but ended up pissed drunk. No one explained to novice reporter Sinead that it is unethical to ply an interviewee with drink. But if IB was guilty, would he be knocking back pints during an interview with Ireland’s biggest selling newspaper?

    Interesting that Frank Buttimer lets IB wallow in the media exposure which has defined him for a quarter-century. Probably tired of telling IB to shut up and figures nothing IB can say will make any difference I.e. IB has already said everything he knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Sinead interview was a bit crazy tbh, she went there to put him in his place so she'd look like the brilliant journalist. I'd say she certainly got the sales anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    Sinead O'Connor is not overly well at present from a mental health perspective and I'd question her capacity to have any form of meaningful interview with anyone at present. She only got out of hospital early last week.

    But the Indo has no interest in someone's mental health. They are only interested in the headline they can publish



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 282 ✭✭drumm23


    I lean against the idea that Bailey did it for a few reasons:

    1) I don't buy the "drunken rage" angle because, if he walked to her house from his (a 50 minute walk according to google) on a very cold night then he would be unlikely to still be "rage drunk" when he got there - and that idea is not really compatible with making little noise or disturbance and leaving no traceable forensics. That doesn't mean he didn't lose his temper but I think the "drunken" angle is distracting and contradictory.

    2) I also think he would have almost certainly had to wear his coat for that walk, which would, almost certainly, have had to get blood on it to a degree that it would not be easily (and perfectly) removable.

    3) If he was wearing gloves to minimise DNA transfer (his DNA is not on her) - then he can't have also not been wearing gloves to get scrapes from briars.

    4) The Kealfadda Bridge sighting is not reliable because of the witness giving it - but it's also the wrong way home for Bailey and would actually double the walk to about an hour and a half - significantly increasing the chance of someone seeing him.

    5) It does not appear that they knew each other beyond an introduction; I'm sure he knew of her but I see no (actual) evidence that it was anything more than that. He could certainly have heard that she was back in town for the Christmas but that he was stalking her or similar seems a stretch.

    6) "He said he did it" - means less than nothing. He's clearly egocentric and dramatic, he's pretty constantly sarcastic, there's almost nothing you can take from his testament that you can use for or against him.


    Personally, I'm starting to lean towards the idea that it may have happened much earlier in the morning than perhaps originally assumed. It was still dark until about 08:00AM in Schull at that time of year but I think her clothing and behaviour (leaving the house, leaving the keys in the lock), walking that distance down to the gate, are somewhat more likely to happen in the morning than at night. If you work from a "morning attack" idea then it shifts the "type" of attack one might envision - from a hunted/hunter to an altercation or disturbance. For example, could somebody have been trying to steal a horse and she went down to confront them? Obviously without an accurate time of death (cheers Harbison) then this is mired in conjecture too.


    Anyway, I do think the one thing, as Irish people, that we can all agree on is that the Garda actions were beyond disgraceful. Even to this day retired Chief Superintendent Dermot Dwyer is willing to go on camera and heavily imply that Bailey burned his black coat - when, not only do we have camera footage of him wearing it two days after the murder, but we have Garda records showing it being taken as evidence! If Gardai like him are going to keep telling lies like that then solving the case will be interminably more difficult, if not impossible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭Drexel_3


    Is this worth watching or should I go for the Netflix one or both??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,446 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    The blood on her house door.

    I'd say it was one of the neighbors that killed her. Who else would kill her and then walk up the hill to the house. Very suspicious that her nearest neighbors heard absolutely nothing that night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    Can someone remind me what Alfie's household's view/version of events were? Were they at home on the night of the murder?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 282 ✭✭drumm23


    I think the Sky one is better simply because it's less biased against Bailey than the Netflix one. Even if he did it, there's no point in presenting the evidence in a selective manner because, ironically, it only opens arguments against his guilt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 282 ✭✭drumm23


    Agree, except the Garda's failure to secure the scene means we don't really know when the print was made. It could also have been one of the neighbours who touched her body then opened the door - anything really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 282 ✭✭drumm23




  • Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think both. And the West Cork podcast.

    All 3 talk about things not mentioned in the others. Like the Italian girl that stayed with Ian and Jules. Very interesting.


    Imo he did it out of Jealousy. He was supposed to be the darling of Scull but everyone was mad about Sophie. He couldn't hack it and it would be a tremendous story to put yourself in the middle of as a Journo. 2 birds one breeze block so to speak.

    Having said that, Dermot Dwyer is a disgrace and should be in jail himself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭nc6000


    Dwyer should have been pulled up on his false claim that Bailey burnt the coat. Sure they admitted to GSOC that they lost his coat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭HoliyMoliy


    Completely agree about Dwyer. It’s baffling that the “burning of the coat” angle is still being used despite the video footage of IB wearing it two days later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,757 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Maybe he had 2 coats?


    Anyhow I think the Italian visitor who saw bailey washing something in the bucket (purporting to be the black coat) is far fetched.

    Look at the size of the coat ! You'd just about fit an arm from that coat in a bucket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,392 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    I think Sophie was hardly known in Schull. Her only interactions appear to have been with a local shopkeeper and her next door neighbour. That's probably how she liked things - a quiet,private individual. Apparently, she spoke little English. If Bailey went to her home that night I imagine it was certainly not by invitation and his motivation would have been sexual. As for the black coat- he may have owned more than one such garment. As for the "missing" gate - it never went missing. It was sent to the Garda forensic lab in Dublin and examined for evidence. None whatsoever was found so it was then disposed of. Never underestimate the shrewdness of a country copper. O'Dwyer may have appeared like some stage Irish buffoon to some but everything he said was convincing and had an air of credibility. The same could be said of his detective colleague from Dublin. They are probably the only truthful witnesses in this entire sorry story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭dublin49


    the witnesses contradicting Bailey ,the changing alibi,the history of violence ,the confessions,lets ignore all that and blame a neighbour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭Curious_Case


    My unqualified opinion is that Ian Bailey is innocent, based on his demeanor when interviewed.

    He seems at ease with discussing the case (I know, it's because he enjoys the attention) and any reluctance to field certain questions or interviews may be due to him attempting not to look like he's enjoying the attention.

    There seems to be no evidence that he left any dna or other material at the scene.

    Neither does there seem to be any evidence that he carried any dna or other material FROM the scene.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭HoliyMoliy


    very hard to open a cold case review when there is no DNA to re examine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭HoliyMoliy


    The same Guards that maintained that there were scratches on Baileys hands and instead of taking photographs of his hands they decided to sketch them!

    The Guards failed miserably in solving this case.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭oceanman


    they didnt manage to convince the DPP as it turned out....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭notahappycamper


    The only fact beyond dispute in this case is that Sophie was murdered. Everything else - I don’t know who or what to believe. 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,731 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    There is it was tested and belonged to a unknown male by the French.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,446 ✭✭✭FAILSAFE 00


    What witnesses?

    I am sure none of the neighbours had an albi backed up by anyone other than their partners.

    Wasn't she having an ongoing argument with a neighbour about the gate at the bottom of the hill?

    Its almost impossible to believe the neighbors heard nothing.

    Another thing that is unusual is Bailey fully cooperating and providing DNA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭HoliyMoliy


    This sums it up well. Bailey fits the profile of a killer but no physical evidence to link him to the case.



  • Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm interested in the block used to crush her head. If a block that size was used with such force (40-50 times say the French) surely there would be trace evidence from where the block was handled? Whether it be from a glove or even better the hand itself. The guard with the hairlip never mentioned anything regarding the block and evidence taken from it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭nc6000


    Only truthful witnesses? How do you figure that considering how Dwyer lied about Bailey's coat during the series?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭TheW1zard


    Keys in front door. So she went out the back, down her field out her gate and was found at the shared gate.

    Her blood then at the back door.

    By the amount of blood it could have been on the killers sleeve,

    So incident starts at the gate and killer goes and checks the house is empty leaving the mark?

    If it started at the house and she ran there would be more blood no?

    No lights so did the killer turn off lights or did it happen in the AM?

    If the lights were turned off there would be blood /footprints leading up to the house?

    Very strange



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,768 ✭✭✭Xander10


    There was mention that a concrete block would not retain fingerprints



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Caledonia


    It wasn’t shambolic. Just a case without a break. GSOC found no corruption. As for the comparison to the Kildare case, how long was that unsolved for?



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