Feedback thread for PI, RI & Bereavement

leggo · 06-07-2021 9:55pm

The thing with forum moderation is that it’s not natural and doesn’t apply to any form of life aside from this one specific, increasingly-dated purpose. Like in a pub, when a conversation is being had, you don’t have someone be ‘the boss’ and tell everyone to stay on topic. On social media, freedom of speech (but don’t go too far or break laws) reigns. On Reddit, moderation can be strict in certain places but all rules are created under one unifying header (usually ‘make sure the best, most relevant posts get highlighted’). Also the moderation is impersonal: the mods aren’t the most opinionated and active members of the subreddit and their opinion doesn’t really matter because the rule is thorough, explained well and falls under the unified goal of the board so it’s near impossible for users to dispute because it’s not left open to interpretation.

I know you guys are volunteers, probably don’t have the time to do the job you want, are doing a thankless job…but I still feel the moderation here over the past couple of years is WAY too personal and inconsistent. It comes across as more “I’m a mod and here are my personal pet peeves so now they’re the rules”*. As a user, tbh I don’t understand when discussion is allowed and when it’s not. I’ve had several discussions with you (probably in this thread) in the past where I feel like we’ve agreed on the idea that OP’s reading back and forth debate on an issue can be helpful in many cases. I’ve also been warned for having these exact debates. There’s zero consistency and the severity of the reaction/punishment can often be left up to “How bad has the situation deteriorated”…when another way of phrasing that is “How bad have mods let the situation deteriorate to before doing what they volunteered to do?”

Like you guys say you leave it open to interpretation but without any kind of firm guidelines everyone understands that essentially translates to, in practical terms, “You can feel free to discuss things but if we decide we don’t like the points you’re making or direction of the conversation, we reserve the right to do whatever we want.” That’s nonsense and is only going to disengage people as they either post freely within your loose guidelines, then get reprimanded when you feel like it, or don’t post because the rules are so vague and unclear that they don’t know if they’re breaking them or not.

You can give all the assurance that “oh our longtime posters understand”…but guys, I’m one of your longest posters here and probably someone a lot would consider as a somewhat valuable contributor here over the years, and being honest I don’t have a ****ing clue and ended up being banned for a week without warning not too long ago for having a debate while there are threads open with debates ongoing as we speak (never mind why yellow cards exist if they’re not used etc).

Tbh I think certain mods need to decide if they want to be contributors and personalities here or if they want to take a wider view and make it a more hospitable board for OPs and users alike. If you want to be all over every thread hammering your opinion down everyone’s throat, grand like, but then accept that you’re an opinionated person and maybe that’s your role here as being objective or diplomatic isn’t a strongpoint. I look at Neyite and I see someone getting the balance between being a valuable poster and an objective/transparent mod right, others need to make a decision because this interpretation and catering the forum to the whims of a couple of super-opinionated users who are also all over every thread isn’t working.

I suspect the usual “We’ve discussed this and disagree with multiple people giving the same identical feedback because of this silent ‘majority’ who actually all agree with us” response to any constructive criticism (you’ve actually done this already and taken a passive aggressive swipe at the poster in doing so btw), but I hope I’m wrong and it’ll be addressed internally instead of being dismissed with a dig to boot.

*To give an example of this: there have been multiple complaints in this thread about sexist language and generalisations, something serious that consistently derails constructive threads, and the rule on that is wishy-washy and inconsistently applied with threads allowed to break down regularly before action is taken. However the rule on "Don't quote full posts" - which isn't a particularly serious, damaging thing but more a personal pet peeve - is VERY clear and consistently applied (to the point it's been brought up in this thread within the last 5 posts). That's mental and shows the personal biases that dominate moderation here and lead to this confusion about what are the rules, what matters etc.

Caranica · 20-07-2021 1:06pm

Are mod tools not working on the new site yet? The Ann/Barry thread is clearly a discussion thread not an advice thread and may be better suited to State Benefits in any case but it's still in PI and still open?

YellowLead · 20-07-2021 3:25pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117637225#Comment_117637225

Totally agree. In the past this would have been moved.

But I guess mods have lives too and maybe it’s a timing thing

Big Bag of Chips · 20-07-2021 3:52pm

Recent feedback in this thread has asked that threads be allowed drift naturally into discussion.

The moderators have taken a 'wait and see' approach on how threads evolve using this approach.

If posters aren't happy, or if it seems like the purpose of the Forum is being adversely affected due to this approach then we will revert back to insisting replies offer advice.

It would be nice if other regular posters submitted feedback here regarding this. The last two posters Loueze and leggo have asked that PI not be so heavily moderated and that discussion be allowed to develop.

What do other posters think?

Big Bag of Chips · 20-07-2021 3:56pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117637225#Comment_117637225

I think it's more of a personal issue because I think this is a real problem in their relationship and how they proceed as a family.

YellowLead · 20-07-2021 3:57pm

My opinion is that a bit of discussion should be allowed develop but not on a continuous basis - eg two posters having a very long back and forth. I don’t think somebody should be warned right off the bat for ONE message that is responding to another poster rather than directed at OP, but long back and forths should just be started as a spin off in another forum.

I don’t agree with the Ann and Barry style thread being in personal issues - that’s not somebody with a personal issue that’s somebody looking for opinions about his friends situation but not even stating that at the start. I think it should only be for those with an issue personal to them.

Hannibal_Smith · 20-07-2021 4:02pm

Sorry folks... I actually closed it there not realising ye were discussing it here. I've reopened it there. I left it open because I hadn't an option to move it as yet and thought the OP would get a steer at least.

Caranica · 20-07-2021 4:11pm

It's ultimately none of the OP's business though? It's not personal to them? Yet it's been open in PI for since Boards came back on line, and reported as not a personal issue.

I've seen threads that are much closer to being PI/RI shut down over the years because OPs asked for opinions on types of relationships etc so were discussions rather than advice. The only explanation I could come to for this one being left open is that mod tools hadn't come back online yet.

leggo · 20-07-2021 9:11pm

Guys to be fair, the feedback was more people being confused about when discussion was/wasn’t allowed, so I don’t see how just letting this drift into further confusion is productive unless the idea was to have people come back here and beg you to go back to the way you liked it in a bit of a passive-aggressive, Irish Mammy way. 😂

Look I probably won’t be long for boards as the recent redesign is godawful and has made the site unusable for me, so it’s much of a muchness for me personally what you do. But if you want a firm guideline you can enforce that most people can probably get behind, how about some variation of the below:

”Be constructive: remember the purpose of PI is to give OPs advice at all times. While sometimes discussion can be helpful to allow OPs to tease out pros and cons of different approaches, the purpose must always be for this and moderators will intervene if they feel the discussion has become a personal argument.”

You re-enforce the overarching goal of the forum, give firm guidelines people can understand and identify for when discussion is/isn’t allowed, and can feel confident yourselves in identifying what’s ‘good’ discussion and what’s ‘bad’ by weighing up if it’s constructive towards the OP or personal arguing. I think most if not all users can get behind that.

Big Bag of Chips · 20-07-2021 10:07pm

The thing about your suggested edit above though leggo is that moderators don't shut down discussion only if it becomes a personal argument. Quite often the discussion is shut down becomes it becomes hypothetical arguments with "But what if the OP was x, y or z" etc. Or is simply completely irrelevant. It's human nature to go off on tangents when discussing something.

Discussion tends to lead to discussion rather than advice.

For as long as I have been a member of Boards.ie Personal Issues has been an advice forum. Not a discussion forum. I often look back through old threads, from long before I was a moderator and always posters were reminded "Personal Issues is an advice forum, not a discussion forum"

Your line about letting it drift into more "confusion" is not what the moderators want, but it does seem to be what some posters are asking for.

The rules of the Forum have always been simple, and to the point. To avoid confusion: "Personal Issues is an advice forum, all posters are expected to offer advice to the OP in their reply".

If we change that, then personally I feel that allows for confusion. There are too many variables to allow for. Discussion allowed, up to a point? What point? Discussion allowed, only if it's relevant? Are hypotheticals relevant? Sometimes?

Already we have posters complaining of inconsistent moderation, when the moderators genuinely are trying to do their best in keeping replies on track with advice that helps the person who came looking for it. We might not always get it right (we're human, and volunteering in our spare time. Could be sitting on a park bench enjoying an ice cream! We're not sitting at a desk with designated hours to 'work'). But I think as a forum, in general, it is well organised. I know forums develop and evolve over time but if we allow PI to become a discussion forum, which seems to be what's being called for, then, in my opinion, that allows for more argument from posters who are pulled up for dragging threads off topic. Wondering why they were pulled up this time, and not the previous time etc.

It's not something we are intentionally doing in an "Irish Mammy" way so that you all beg to go back to the old way. It's something we have agreed to try, following persistent calls from some regular posters. It is also holiday season and moderators are not online as much.

At the moment, we will continue to "wait, and see". Also the site itself is still being finalised, and we as moderators are users just like everyone else and are getting used to the new layout, functionality, tools etc.

If posters continue to report posts or posters for being dragged off topic, into discussion, over-and-back etc then we (the moderators) will agree to revert back to "offer advice" and that will be the guidelines of the Forum!

The direction the forum takes will be a majority rules type situation. For now, we wait and see what direction it will take (and we'll also enjoy the good weather and any holidays we might take!)

leggo · 21-07-2021 2:45am

Look I’m the first to acknowledge you guys volunteer for free, I did it in my first post on this discussion, so I get it has its challenges absolutely. But what I’m suggesting isn’t a new rule that will double everyone’s workload, it’s a strong clarification that ideally will let good posters know what is/isn’t okay and, if anything, that should cut down on your voluntary workload.

Let me give examples of how the rules contradict themselves: on one hand, you say the above and for us to only ever address the OP. On the other, I’ve seen you say multiple times how this forum is quite good for self-policing bad comments. Well…we can’t self-police unless we address someone else’s comments. So if I see someone post something offensive and damaging that a vulnerable OP could see and it hasn’t been addressed by mods, do I self-police or am I breaking the rule of addressing anyone but the OP? Or does it all depend on the mood of whoever on the mod team catches it? Is it personal? I mean in that post you make a LOT of generalisations there about the type of people who engage in discussion (which is a pretty normal thing for people to do), so are you making judgements on us all personally, without actually knowing any of us at all, then applying the rules based on your assumptions/generalisations?

I speak from experience too. I’ve been an OP here years back, that’s how I began posting here. I had someone say something quite inflammatory and damaging to me when I was in a really low place and needed support, and it was seeing others post “WTF”, defend me and tease it through that helped me clear up my own head strongly about the issue. It was the kinda comment that was damaging but would’ve skirted under moderation, so if it was allowed to stand unchallenged it would’ve just been a dagger to me at a time I really didn’t need it.

Big Bag of Chips · 21-07-2021 7:21am

We always tell posters they can of course challenge bad advice. Sometimes we will see a reported post and by the time we have gotten to it other posters have dealt with it. They will have commented on the post in question. Said why they disagree and then continued on to give the OP proper advice.

There is already a balance in the forum. But some posters consistently drag threads off topic by continually posting their own arguments dragging other posters into argument and inevitably ignoring the original poster and their actual issue.

This isn't something the Mods have just dreamed up. This is how the forum has always worked. Often Original Posters will report a post asking for it to be locked or deleted because it has just become an argument.

We regularly nudge posters back using on thread reminders to not argue with each other. Sometimes, when we find we are nudging the same posters all the time we then card, or ban for a short period to hopefully focus the mind of the poster who persists in posting discussion (often times not relevant to the original posters issue).

I understand you are a bit peeved leggo because you were on the receiving end of one such week long ban recently. But you have to admit you have been asked multiple times to stick to offering advice and to not allow yourself get dragged into over and back. Lots of your over-and-back discussion regularly include you saying "but this has nothing to do with the OP". So you admit that you allow yourself get dragged into irrelevant discussion. I'm not sure what you want the moderators to do in that situation? Give you a pass because you're a regular? Action the other poster/s, but not you? Indeed I believe the moderators here have been more lenient with you and other regular posters because you are good, regular posters.

Look, I'm afraid I'm going to step back now for a while. The weather is good. The site is still finding its feet. The moderators have made a decision, based on feedback here, to let threads run a bit and see what happens. If posters don't like it and would like Personal Issues to remain an advice forum where posters are asked to offer advice then we ask that they make their voice heard either by commenting here or reporting posts they don't like the look of.

We will watch how things unfold over the coming weeks and act accordingly.

I really don't think we can do any fairer than that leggo. You have asked for something. We are now going to trial it.

Caranica · 21-07-2021 7:35am

Can a mod please clarify that PI/RI are for advice threads only, whatever about allowing a little on thread discussion. Framing it in this way allows a little wiggle room while still keeping the forums to offer support.

Big Bag of Chips · 21-07-2021 7:41am

Thanks Caranica. Yes the charter states that it is an advice forum. It's not really an ongoing issue that inappropriate threads are posted, and if they are they are always moved, locked or deleted.

I understand that a dubious thread was posted recently, but the OP did mention that one of the relevant people had read the thread, so in that sense it was still providing advice.

I think the next few weeks will see things settle down with the new layout, and our tools will return (for now we can't move threads, or at least if we can, I haven't figured out how too!!)

Jequ0n · 21-07-2021 8:19am

Since the decision to allow “some” discussion was only communicated once confused posters had questioned the changes: will you communicate if/ when this decision will be overturned? Or will there be on thread warnings for all posters, incl regulars?

Also, since you cannot moderate around the clock. It might be worth prioritising the current threads/ discussions. It’s kind of pointless when a post gets a warning or infraction long after the discussion has run its course, i.e. several days after the post was made.

Neyite · 21-07-2021 8:22am

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640034#Comment_117640034

I can't speak for all the admins but I can't see them agreeing to remove that rule. It's the reason the forum functions the way it does. The key consideration from a mod point of view is "is this helping the OP? There may be some leeway for a little on thread discussion up to that point.

When I have a problem, I don't want long-winded back and forth between my friends. I don't want them going off track or arguing amongst themselves - my head is already mixed up or I wouldn't have asked them! What I want is a range of options or suggestions so that I can pick the best solution I feel works in MY situation.

And that's how I see PI/RI. You might tell an OP that X is the ideal solution to their problem. I might disagree with you which is fine, but instead of us going at it in the forum, the best way to be helpful to the OP (the point of the forum after all!) is for me to point out what I might see why I feel your advice might not be the best option and offer solution Y. That kind of brief back and forth discussion is fine - we are teasing out advice ideas for the OP. But the moment it stops being helpful to the OP is probably where a mod should nudge people back to giving advice.

Big Bag of Chips · 21-07-2021 8:46am

Jequ0n, no decision has been finalised. Personal Issues is still an advice forum. So posters will still be expected to reply to the query posted by the OP. Posters post here looking for advice. We still want replies to focus on that. If posters drift into a little discussion with each other, moderators are (for the moment) going to be a bit more lenient and maybe post less warnings to stick to offering advice.

However warnings will still be issued if the thread has gone way off topic. As Neyite mentions above, the focus will always be the OP and whether or not replies are helpful to them. Squabbling amongst posters is rarely useful to anyone.

The premise of the Forum remains an advice forum. NOT a discussion forum. Moderators may take a more lenient approach to allow some discussion if it is considered helpful to the OP. And yes, this will always be at the discretion of the moderator.

Nothing really changes. It's still an advice forum. But the moderators will take more of a backseat for now and let threads run a bit more. If the thread is veering way off topic on thread warnings, cards and bans will still be applied.

Personal Issues is an advice forum (my phone now autofills that sentence!) There's no need to complicate it! Personally I feel this suggestion of allowing "some" discussion is complicating matters because now posters are already asking, what, how, when etc.

We will let things unfold a little over the coming weeks. We will allow "natural discussion". But posters are asked to bear in mind that they are posting to a poster who has asked for advice. It's simple if you bear that in mind. Petty squabbles or digs at other posters that are not relevant to the OP will be actioned. A bit of discussion concerning the issue and relevant to the OP will be left stand.

(Personally, I think that is the way the forum has pretty much worked up to this!)

Caranica · 21-07-2021 9:00am

Neyite I'm totally with you. I follow these two forums because people help each other, I've received help over the years too. But that's why I got so frustrated that the other thread was left open for so long. From the first post it was clearly not a PI.

There's hundreds of discussion forums on here, or at least it feels that way 😂

Jequ0n · 21-07-2021 10:55am

I agree that “some” discussion will be more confusing than none. Well, so be it.

Dial Hard · 21-07-2021 11:40am

My 2c is that allowing "some" discussion on threads that are actual P/RIs may have some merit, albeit does run the risk of confusing people. However, allowing threads that clearly aren't actually P/RIs to remain open/in situ shouldn't become a thing. I went to report the Ann & Barry one until I saw BBoC had responded, at which point I didn't bother because that to me says it had tacit mod approval. Still have no idea why, though.

Faith · 21-07-2021 12:48pm

Most people never fall afoul of the "discussion" rule. If you find that you're falling afoul of it repeatedly, then the question should be "Hmm, is there something problematic about my posting style?" rather than "Change the rules to suit me!". Hint: The rule was created for a reason.

HildaOgdenx · 21-07-2021 1:01pm

https://boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640189#Comment_117640189

Agreed. The function of the forum is advice. It works well, in my opinion.

Discussion, particularly if it is a subject that posters feel strongly about, can quickly take a thread off track, and the OP can get forgotten about.

Caranica · 26-07-2021 11:29pm

Will flag this in feedback thread too but PI/RI posts are now showing up on people's profiles where they never did. It's quite enlightening but I don't think it's deliberate?

Big Bag of Chips · 27-07-2021 7:37am

Thanks for that Caranica. I'll flag it in the moderators forum too.

PI posts were always treated with respect and privacy (in so much as posting on a public forum allows). They were never included in post searches.

I wasn't aware that had changed with the move.

Dial Hard · 31-07-2021 9:54am

Folks I have to say, the decision to allow "some" discussion has been an unmitigated disaster in my humble. So many threads are just getting dragged completely off-topic and into whataboutery and hypotheticals and now I'm never sure when or whether to report because of the new "rule".

I genuinely think the forum would be best served my returning to the original status quo. My 2c, anyway.

Big Bag of Chips · 31-07-2021 12:37pm

I agree Dial Hard.

I think Personal Issues is, and always has been an advice forum. I will admit that we are all still getting used to the new layout and new functionality so the moderators are maybe letting some things go that would be flagged and actioned in 'normal' circumstances.

Allowing "discussion" was something that was flagged by more than one poster on more than one occasion, so I think it would have been arrogant of the moderator team to not at least give it a trial. This is a feedback thread after all, where we asked for feedback from our posters to help improve the forum.

Personal Issues has always been a special area on Boards.ie. Posters post feeling a bit delicate or fragile and posters have respected that and handled OPs with respect and care.

Allowing discussion this past while, I feel, has allowed a different atmosphere to develop in the forum and it doesn't feel as respectful as it used to.

But, I am quick to say, it is still early days in the cross over. A lot is still being ironed out. A small bit of discussion regarding the actual issue should be OK. (I think this is how PI actually worked all along!) But, the trouble happens when that leads to general discussion and straying from the topic at hand.

We would ask posters to always report any post they think isn't PI suitable. That way we get a concensus for how posters feel about the forum. So please continue to report posts.

hole in my lovelywall · 04-08-2021 4:02pm

Can posters not post anonymously in the personal issues forum anymore?

Big Bag of Chips · 04-08-2021 8:39pm

Hi hole in my lovelywall,

It seems that’s a feature that didn’t migrate successfully to the new platform. A lot of bugs and glitches are on the to-do list, and we are bringing them to the powers that be as we notice them, or as they’re highlighted to us.

I’ll flag it with the office.

Thanks.

Dial Hard · 06-08-2021 11:26am

Guys, can we ask if the mods are still automatically notified of any reported posts, or does the new system only create an alert if a certain number of reports are received? There seemed to be some confusion about this when there was still the option to "flag" posts as well as report them. It'd be great to get clarification on this because I'm not seeing any action on a number of posts I've reported, Obviously I know that not all reports will be deemed actionable by the mods but some of them are pretty clear-cut, imo (old threads getting dragged back up, posts that aren't actually PIs, e.g.) so now I'm genuinely wondering whether mods are even seeing the reports in the first place...

Faith · 06-08-2021 1:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117714930#Comment_117714930

I'm not a PI mod, so I can't speak for this specific forum, but your post made me curious. I test reported a post in the Weddings forum and I've received no notification of it. I used get emails, but there's no email and no pop-up here. I also can't even find the Reported Posts forum, so it's entirely possible the mods aren't seeing the reports.

HildaOgdenx · 06-08-2021 1:37pm

I have reported instances of old threads being brought back up also, (since this new set up came into being), but likewise, I'm not sure if mods have received the reports.

Big Bag of Chips · 06-08-2021 5:25pm

Reported posts is proving a bit problematic at the moment. We have access to the reported posts forum, but reports are not filtered into our specific forums so we have to scroll through all reports to see if we recognise a thread title from PI to see the report.

It is not ideal, and something we've been assured is a priority to sort. For now, I don't mind receiving PM reports if a post is really not PI suitable. Or I can be tagged @Big Bag of Chips in a new post on the thread to highlight an issue, zombie thread etc.

Anonymous posting is not available at the moment, but will be reinstated. For now, if a poster wishes to post anonymously they can create a throw-away account, just for the purposes of posting anonymously in Personal Issues.

This switchover has been less than smooth, and as moderators we are simply users of the site too, so have no input or influence whatsoever on how things are working or when they will be resolved.

All we can do is continue to highlight issues to the higher-ups as we find them.

I would like to say a genuine thanks though to those regular posters who have stuck with us. Navigating the site, and specifically Personal Issues/Relationship Issues isn't smooth sailing at the moment. I'm happy to see a few familiar usernames still with us!

Jequ0n · 13-09-2021 10:28am

I raised this in the past already. If the site/ forum charter prohibit medical advice including diagnosis, why is it deemed acceptable to suggest mental disorders etc?

It is as misleading and potentially damaging as offering a wrong diagnosis on physical ailments.

Big Bag of Chips · 13-09-2021 8:44pm

It is not allowed Jequ0n and falls under medical diagnosis. Moderators, and other posters, regularly pull posters up when they start diagnosing.

However there is a difference between someone saying "it sounds like they could have x, y, or z" and someone saying "they have x, y or z".

Posters can also give their own experience of a condition or medication for example but cannot tell another poster that they should take such a medication or they have the same condition.

Again we ask if you see any post that definitely breaches the charter, please report it, or pm one of the moderators. We don't see every post.

Jequ0n · 14-09-2021 1:29am

How do you know whether a reported post has been actioned? There is a clear case in a current thread which I reported (“Your ex is a …”) without any response or on thread action.

Big Bag of Chips · 14-09-2021 5:31am

Jequ0n, I have said that we are having trouble with reported posts at the moment.

If you have reported a clear breach of the Forum Charter and you see that it has not been actioned, please PM one of the mod team to bring it to their attention.

Edit: I have scrolled back through the reported posts and found the post you reported on 8th September. I also see you commented following the post telling the OP to ignore such advice/opinion as nobody can make an online diagnosis.

In this case, like we often say, the posters (you) had dealt with the issue. Other posters had moved the topic on and offered appropriate advice and opinion to the OP. So specific moderator action was not needed, in this instance.

I have snipped the line from the post anyway and added a note to not offer diagnosis.

For a first offense this suffices. If a poster persists in this type of posting then further action would be taken.

Jequ0n · 14-09-2021 6:22am

I had commented after no action had been taken but had expected to receive a warning for detailing the thread. I guess PMing the mods is the only option so as the reporting functionality clearly isn’t working.

Big Bag of Chips · 14-09-2021 7:41am

Jequ0n, how do you think you would be derailing the thread by advising the OP? And surely when you did not receive a warning for derailing the thread then you realised your post was fine?

I think you are unnecessarily complicating matters. Advise the OP. Disagree with advice offered by others if you feel it is inappropriate. Report a post if you think it breaches the charter or could upset the OP. If you think a reported post has been missed, pm one of the moderators.

All reported posts don't necessarily require moderator action though.

Dial Hard · 30-09-2021 12:51pm

Guys, I know I'm like a broken record here, but can we ask if reported posts are still falling under the radar? I've reported a rake of posts lately and I'm just not confident at all they're being seen. And yes, we know not all reported posts aren't considered worthy of action, etc etc, but some of them are pretty clear-cut, imo - a thread being left open even after the OP admitted being in the care of Pieta, for example.

It seems to me (rightly or wrongly) that mods are only actioning stuff they happen to notice in-thread themselves rather than acting on reports. Should we still be PM-ing in addition to/instead of reporting? It just seems like modding activity fell off a cliff after the Vanilla changeover and never recovered.

Faith · 30-09-2021 2:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117958917#Comment_117958917

Not a PI mods, obvs, but the issue with reported posts is still ongoing, unfortunately.

Tork · 30-09-2021 4:13pm

I've noticed that across boards. It looks like anybody moderating these days is trying to do so with one hand tied behind their back. I hope things improve for you all soon because it's a valuable but thankless job.

Hannibal_Smith · 30-09-2021 5:07pm

Ah thanks Tork! That's lovely 😀

I check reported posts every day. If necessary I do what has to be done with them. Unfortunately I'm not online as much as I used to be because I have a new job and other general life things going on. Added to that, reported posts aren't filtered at the moment. So all reported posts are going to the same place, which means if I haven't been on in a while it's likely PI/RI reports end up like needles in haystacks to try and spot. But there is work being done in the background to help us filter reports, so that should help ease matters soon.

I'm sorry if I've missed some reports, I thought I was managing to locate them all but clearly not. It's definitely not that reports are being ignored or modding has fallen off a cliff. If there's something that you feel is quite urgent and needs action, by all means PM me or any of the other Mods who are also here and working away and we'll see it straight away when we log in and review it.

Dial Hard · 30-09-2021 6:52pm

Thanks HS. Another question I've asked before - is there any way to auto-lock threads once they've been dormant for, say, a month or whatever? The issue of people posting in threads that have been dead for weeks on end is still rampant. There's one in RI right now - last post was on August 4th but someone just posted in it. That's a zombie by PI/RI standards.

Also, while we're at it, I just reported an utter troll post in RI too.

Big Bag of Chips · 30-09-2021 7:17pm

Dial Hard, if you think a post really needs attention, will you send a PM to one, or all of us!

Reported Posts is not working in any kind of meaningful way for us, so I'll be honest I scroll through occasionally but don't really go looking too deep.

I'm happy to take PM reports for the time being. Even moderating is difficult at the moment as we don't seem to have full functionality yet. In PI, we generally prefer to nudge posters with onthread reminders rather than carding or banning. But in some cases cards are needed or posts to be deleted.

So if you notice something that is dangerous in PI, drop one of us a PM rather than report it just for the moment.

Hannibal_Smith · 30-09-2021 7:37pm

There's no hard and fast rule with dormant threads. Sometimes the OP is still around and might possibly be still getting notifications or benefit from something newly posted. Also, the forum itself has been pretty slow of late so it may not be obvious to the latest poster how old the thread is, but they're posting a genuine piece of advice that might help the OP. I wouldn't like to think they're getting a wrap on the knuckles or turn them off the forum by thinking they did something wrong when they were only trying to help.

So, if it's a once off post which again maybe of benefit to the OP, it comes back to a judgement call on the post/thread itself. If its obviously months old and the OP has never engaged since close to Day 1 or it kicks it all off on a carousel again, I'll close it off. Sometimes the OP does come back so again from their point of view unless it's been months, I'd hate for them to get a nugget of advice and then find their thread closed.

I'll go take a look at reported posts now 🙂

TherapyBoy · 01-10-2021 9:32am

It’d be worthwhile listing the current active PI/RI/Bereavement Mods here or in a sticky of it’s own until they fix the issue with the reported posts, maybe with a short post explaining that, temporarily at least, a PM directly to a Mod would be a valid option.

It used to be easy to identify who was looking after a forum, not so easy now.

Dial Hard · 21-10-2021 7:05pm

Me yet again, sorry.

So, I've been thinking a lot about why the standard of posters and posting has declined so much lately and kept wondering was it because the mod tools aren't what they used to be, a lot of regular posters have disappeared since the change to Vanilla, etc...

And then I copped it - PI/RI threads never used to appear on the front page before, but now they do. So people who would never necessarily have come here are just seeing them on a casual browse, clicking in and then replying without realising (or perhaps caring) that they're in what was previously quite a "protected" part of Boards.

Is there any way of getting threads here hidden from the front page again? I genuinely think it would sort out an awful lot of the nonsense we've been inundated with recently.

Glaceon · 21-10-2021 7:08pm

That’s a good point. I often saw PI/RI threads on the front page and thought to myself “I don’t remember seeing these here before”.

Hannibal_Smith · 21-10-2021 7:16pm

This is a something the Mods discussed at the initial stages of the change over. Unfortunately there's no way at the moment of hiding the PI/RI threads from the front page and also keep following the forum in the manner we currently can. It is something that's on the list to be worked on though.

Caranica · 09-11-2021 1:13pm

Going back to an old chestnut but meaningful thread titles seem to be an issue again? Would report the OP but no point with current mod tool issues

Feedback thread for PI, RI & Bereavement

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