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New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    I learned he will shoehorn the word brexit into any conversation and his guests are of questionable intelligence.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I certainly did.

    Farage is an exceptional analytical thinker and formulates arguments with haste, accuracy, and evidence to hand. That's not common, especially among the typically robotic political class. And the fact he achieves this with fluency and some degree of charisma only adds to that already fruitful soup.

    In fact, I think the same about many figures on the Left. Even though I disagree with their worldview, they demonstrate very effective analytical skills - again, with haste, accuracy, and facts to hand - and so, even if you disagree with them, you can admire and learn from the way they think about a given question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    So on the day after a long awaiting interview with the SPAD considering to at 1 time control HMG, who confirmed that mere weeks into Boris's new government that he and a group of others discussed replacing him?

    You think the Rashford story may be more newsworthy?

    That a Prime Minister cast the elderly to the lions and delayed the autumn lockdown at the cost of thousands of lives and a member of his inner circle gave an interview confirming a policy of Senecide?

    But the Rashford endorsement story is more newsworthy?

    Interesting illustration of how you assign value to information and it's dissemination.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The question isn't a competition between Rashford and the Government re: news headlines.

    The question is: what happened with Marcus Rashford? Is what he did ethical? If not, why not?

    We can argue about the Government, too, of course - but the questions are mutually exclusive.

    Perhaps the Government are at grave fault. Maybe they are. But let's see also if wrongdoing was also performed on behalf of Rashford.

    You are pitting both against each other, almost hoping - dare I say - that the Rashford story is whitewashed from public purview.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,114 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Well the Rashford story matters not a whit to me other in how it's used.

    What does interest me will be what editorial value the Spectator place upon it, rather than the biggest English political story since 2016. It places a very distinct slant upon their editorial bent.

    A political earthquake story that has been anticipated for quite a while? Or a story about how Marcus Rashford, footballer parleys his fame into endorsements and what he does with his money?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    So what did he say tonight that impressed you? Which of his interviews made you sit up and listen? Did you even watch your hero tonight?



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I certainly did watch the second episode tonight.

    But you're missing the point.

    It's not as if I consider Farage a descendent of some political papacy, eagerly awaiting infallible tablets of verbal stone. Rather, it's his general worldview; the classical liberal, late 19th-century approach to politics. He, and others - such as Jacob Rees Mogg - very clearly adumbrate the merits of such a worldview, both socially and economically.

    Of course, that doesn't mean I agree with everything Farage says, but it does mean that he and others colour my judgment in ways that other political figures have so far failed to achieve.

    Put another way: the mode of thought is what matters, rather than the specifics of what is said on any issue of the day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Ah, so he can spout all sorts of shìte like he did tonight and that's OK with you because you basically enjoy listening to an odious little shìt spouting shìte.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Well you Don't seem to want to talk about his guests tonight and what he had to say so I have to conclude that you either haven't watched tonight's programme or you're happy to listen to him spouting shìte because that's all he did throughout the whole sixty minutes.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In fact, I'm currently watching a subsequent appearance by Farage on the Dan Wootton show.

    I did watch his show between 7-8pm. I enjoyed it, even though I thought the Pimlico Plumbers founder was a bit weird.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Did you really learn that by watching his latest show or were all those thoughts already formulated in your head



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's a combination of both.

    You can never quite know what you learn until you're exposed to the information.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    What The Spectator is doing is interesting. Attacking what they see as a sacred cow and whipping up righteous outrage among people for whom Marcus Rashford is an heroic figure and a model for the kind of Britain they want to live in. The backlash will be fierce and that's exactly what the magazine wants and msm outlets will likely feel pressured into responding and giving it oxygen to keep it going. The kind of thing GB News needs to be doing itself to gain any wider traction beyond being an echo chamber for fans of Nigel farage, basically the Fox News model, which Neil denied was a target for them, but I for one didn't believe him when he said that anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,739 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    So what he says doesn’t matter ? Just the way he says it?

    fantastic.


    Similar to a certain fella with a moustache in Central Europe 90 years ago. He had great charisma / mode of thought too even though what he was proposing was pure rank and utterly devastingly stupid.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,556 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    If there were actual merits to such a worldview, you wouldn't have had to allude to the 19th century. All it is is the usual conservative corruption, racism and sleaze. Nothing more.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972




  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BBC are not left wing on news, sky news, newstalk... Even the likes of the Irish Independent and Times publish plenty of pieces that are from pretty right wing commentators. So in both the UK and Ireland there are plenty of mainstream news outlets that veer into the center right. Sure Andrew Neil writes for the spectator.


    Even the rants about "woke" etc tend to end up showing up weekly in pretty much every newspaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Times, Sky, Sun, Mail, Standard, Financial Times even the BBC is neutral and sometimes right when it comes to politics and world news but you I suppose automatically wrote them off as far left because the showed support for some gay or black people



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  • Administrators Posts: 55,189 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I struggle to comprehend the amount of mental gymnastics required to think his "intentions and ethics must be called into question."

    It amazes me how absolutely terrified some are of a wealthy person spending some of his time and money improving the life of children. It's like the whole concept of decency is totally alien to them, they can't get their head around it.

    I don't think Nigel Farage will ever have to worry about his motives for helping the less fortunate feed themselves, this would require him displaying a level of empathy with other people that is beyond him and his ilk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Its not about "a wealthy person" gving to charity because they would be falling over Dyson, Ratcliffe and Branson if they held some benefit gala for the poor. Rashford done it without their permission and showed them up while doing it and denying them positive photo ops in the process.

    He is also working class and "we cant be having people getting above their station now can we"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    If you already expect people to write them off than it's possible that you are the one with a bias for difference of opinion.

    I dont mind The Sun for example but I wouldn't touch BBC with a stick anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,658 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Why do you not like the BBC any more and what about them do you feel is left wing ?

    And do you believe the sun to be left wing or right ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    You don't like the BBC, But you don't mind a rag like the sun, a newspaper that has been caught lying time and time again to sell papers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭francois


    I see some are referring to it as "GBeebies"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,556 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    To put it simply, Conservatism is about one thing and one thing only. Privilege. It exists solely for the purpose of defending and promoting the interests of the elite. 


    Conservatives tend to view people as good or bad while Liberals or left leaning non-conservaties tend to judge people by their actions. In the US, Republicans lost their sh*t over Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky but then they had dismissed him as being "bad" because he was a Democrat. Today, they've turned themselves into a cult based on an adultuerous failed businessman. Clinton was an opponent, so he was bad. Trump is one of them so what does it matter if he uses the services of prostitutes or dodges paying taxes. Wealthy people shouldn't even have to pay taxes anyway according to some.


    The one thing conservatives cannot abide above anything else is questioning hierarchy and this is the essential thesis of liberalism. They turned on Bill Gates because his excessive philanthropy is anathema to them. If poor people didn't deserve their poverty, they wouldn't be poor. Capitalism is God's way of determining who is smart and who is poor. Something something bootstraps, etc etc... They're on top so the system must be working just fine.


    Someone like Marcus Rashford is a walking contradiction to this fallacious and self-centred ideology. A man from a poor background who asks questions about hierarchy while amassing a sizeable fortune for himself and acting to improve the lives of others. They see people like him as threats not just because he refutes their excuses for hoarding wealth and power but also because they know that they have no ideas or reasons to maintain a voting base. It's all about the grubby hoarding of power, wealth and influence and nothing higher than that.


    Working class conservative voters enjoy having someone else to look down upon so the media caters to this by demonising immigrants, welfare recipients, people from the BAME community, BLM, LGBT people, etc. Of course, people from these backgrounds with the "right" beliefs in hierarchy can be recruited to add legitimacy which is why you see people like Priti Patel in senior positions.


    Conservatism is a dead ideology. Religion isn't there to prop it up the way it was and, here in the UK, Brexit and the ageing population aren't going to be enough to sustain it for all that much longer. The Tories aren't going anywhere but there's no real reason for anyone outside the circle to join the party either. Today's Extinction Rebellion and BLM activists aren't tomorrow's Conservative voter base the same way that our parents' environmentally minded contemporaries were. Young people expect to live with a lower quality of life than their parents for the first time in modern history, so they don't really care for the social contract or the protection of others' privilege that this has been warped into by the right.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nigel Farage is all over GB News now.

    His show at 7pm last night. Then starred in Dan Wootton's show after 9pm.

    This morning, Farage braved out into the English Channel to find illegal migrants crossing the sea - shining a much needed light on the criminal trafficking trade that the French are failing to manage. This is the kind of journalism you simply don't find on legacy broadcast channels.

    And he's back at 7pm tonight, too!

    I can only assume that Farage is proving to be the draw that others believed would have failed.

    Since his first show, almost 10,000 new subscribers on their YouTube channel too.

    His inaugural show has over 110,000 views on YouTube.

    Things are moving in the right direction, after what was for sure a bumpy start.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭rightmove


    Most of this is pure conjecture and nonsense



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,556 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Why not provide an actual argument setting out why instead of the snarky comment?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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