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New Alternative News Channel "GB News" chaired by Andrew Neil launching - read OP before posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,980 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 386 ✭✭Gentlemanne


    I bet even the people Farage pays to promote him are not nearly as obsequious and fawning as you are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭rightmove


    I would suggest you to go read some books on political philosophy and come back in a few years time



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Rightmove is right.

    It is a diatribe of your personal understanding of what you think Conservatism to be. Pure conjecture and riddled with bias.

    What you have described as "conservatism" is not the Conservatism that I recognize.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    And yet nobody can make an original argument demonstrating otherwise.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why would anyone waste time formulating an argument against your personal understanding of Conservatism?

    Your view is clearly enmeshed in stone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,918 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Its like something you'd read on the Conspiracy Theory forum.

    Maybe try and work the Freemasons and New World Order into it too.

    Its very strange and worrying that the politics forum moderator should be so biased.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    This is a discussion forum. That's what such things are for.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you objectively defined Conservatism, then true.

    But your post appears more emotive than anything. And with emotions, there is no need to debate. It's a zero-sum game.

    I could objectively define the Left in terms that are non-emotive and unbiased. I could even point to the merits of the position.

    But you haven't taken such a perspective.

    It almost comes across as a religious preacher speaking ex cathedra.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,662 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ah yes the usual block of time consuming posts announcing how replying to someone would be a waste of time.

    You could have actually pointed out he was wrong with all the time you took to write those vague replies



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,980 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,133 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Vague replies is all they have to fall back on. If you question for detail you get anger and obfuscation. It's something that farage relies on consistently. It's no wonder someone who holds that method of engagement would hold farage in such high esteem to become their personal marketing executive on forums ..



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    What's so "worrying" about it? Is he not allowed to have his own opinions in threads?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,662 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Only right wingers are allowed to "voice their opinion and say the things no one else is brave enough to say"



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I think this is, what, the third such response. A rebuttal would be more convincing than the faux-outrage.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You make simple statements about Conservatism that are clearly false.

    You make the generalisation that Conservatives view people as either bad or good, and that those on the liberal side adjudge actions only.

    Is this for real?

    What evidence do you have to back up such a conclusion?

    To my knowledge, Conservatives focus on individual responsibility. Second, you could make the very powerful argument that modern liberals, through cancel culture, that does not adjudge someone on their actions - but actively considers them pariahs if they dare utter the wrong word. Take a look at Germaine Greer or J.K. Rowling. They are considered "bad people" merely on the basis of saying the wrong thing (the right things, in my view).

    Furthermore, you didn't even differentiate between the different brands of Conservatism. Instead, you've lumped them all together with simplistic generalizations.

    What about fiscal conservatism?

    What about religious conservatism?

    What about social conservatism?

    What about cultural conservatism?

    You can believe in a brand of the Left yet still believe in fiscal conservatism, too. I am not a social or religious conservative, either. And there are many more examples I could cite.

    I could go on, but I've said enough at this stage. Part of the reason I avoided this conversation is because this thread is about GB News.

    But I've been asked by many to respond, and respond I have.

    Your analysis is biased, weak, and simplistic - argued without evidence, yet replete with zealous certitude.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,715 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Well then you should know they are not for soapboxing.

    Your 'recruiting' minorities comment was particularly eye-rolling not to mention insulting.

    And it is bit rich of you to talk about snarky comments with your plethora of digs on this thread all done in your usual superior haughty tone. Quote "Does he have a harem of professional snowflakes and fatuous morons to support?". You'd think all that higher standard of commentary from the politics forum would rub off on you.

    Yours and other's demonizing of your political opponents and their supporters is the default tactic of the Left in recent years, everyone is racist, xenophobic and jingoistic blah blah blah. It's a desperate tactic and it is failing, indeed backfiring.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Modern conservatives are focused on the culture war and fascism. Individual responsiblity is something for other people according to the modern right.

    The hypocrisy of you asking for evidence when you've ignored my request for the same. Honor those and then I'll get you some evidence. Not before.

    As for GB News, all it exists to do is to take advantage of the culture war by providing a safe space for right wing types who can't bear criticism as evinced by their stance on the presenter who took the knee. It's a model for Youtube and social media but for some bizarre reason, they went down the TV news route.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,558 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Another ad hominem. Ok.

    Eskimohunt has been cheerleading for Nigel Farage on an Irish forum for some reason but I'm the one soapboxing? Please, spare me the pretend indignation.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The problem is that in a place like the UK or the US with their binary FPTP voting systems you don't get the ability to choose your "flavour" of Conservatism just as you don't really on the Left either (in the UK the Lib-Dems are utterly dysfunctional).

    The result is that you get the tail wagging the dog in these parties , particularly on the right as certainly in recent years the Tories and the GOP in the US seem to have really given up actually adhering to any kind of policy platform and simply seek to attain and hold power.

    There is a hard core within both of those parties - The "Extra Hard Brexit" types in the Tories and the MAGA crowd in the GOP that have garnered just enough power that (within an already undemocratic voting process) they wield outsized influence on the direction of the party.

    The result is that those historic "conservative values" you mention are drowned out and even though a sizeable chunk of the voters would actually prefer to still be that type of conservative all that gets pushed to the front is the noisy, nasty & mean-spirited bile from that extreme fringe.

    At Election time I'd submit that a sizeable chunk of the vote for the Tories and the GOP are from those that really don't like the overall direction of their party , but given the strictures of the FPTP system they choose to vote Tory/GOP not because the particularly want to , but because they can't vote for the other side.

    See the significant split in Down-ballot GOP voting where clearly lots of GOP voters chose Biden but continued to vote GOP down ballot as evidence of this behaviour in the US.

    So - For all the old-school Conservatives out there , are you happy that your parties seem to have been subsumed by these frankly deeply unpleasant fringe elements and if so what are you going to do about it?

    In the UK, Labour at least broke the influence of Momentum by replacing Corbin with Starmer and kicking out a few others.

    Cameron had his shot at doing something similar but he bottled it and chose a BREXIT vote as his path to clearing out the fringe and screwed that up catastrophically with the choice of wording and the entire campaign to be honest.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Two different questions.

    The original post took the axe to conservatives and conservatism generally. It was in that direction I rallied my artillery.

    You are bringing up a separate, second question: how the conservative parties in the UK and USA have been taken over by one ideological strand.

    I'm happy to answer that question via PM only, as this is a thread about GB News.

    Speaking of which, I'll be tuning into Farage again tonight at 7pm. So should you. Should be a good one given his venturing out to the English Channel in the early hours of this morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,385 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    Right, (if I remember) I will tune in tonight at 7 to see what its all about, I am sure there will be some commentary on the NI Protocol news today?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,816 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Is he going to personally capture a band of up to no good darkies as they attempt to spoil his most blessed United Kingdom with their presence?



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Special guest tonight; the father of the Prime Minister, Stanley Johnson, during the Talking Pints feature of the program.

    Looking forward to the show tonight, starts in 2 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    For a supposed "man of the people" he sure loves to have multi millionaire guests on, millionaires who screw over ordinary working people who Farage claims he represents.



  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    His first two guests are an immigration lawyer and a former NHS chairman.

    Perhaps if "ordinary working people" worked harder, they'd become millionaires too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,916 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    And now he has a millionaire on who screwed people over, same as the millionaire he had on yesterday.


    Does he get paid everytime he says brexit? It seems to be every second word out of his mouth.



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  • Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tbf your right there,and when saying farage isnt a failed politian



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