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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,654 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    That has no bearing on Covid though - you cant assume that because vaccine induced immunity is superior in one scenario, that it is better in all scenarios.


    Are there studies on covid immunity - natural vs induced?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭redlad12


    Why don't rte say 0 deaths anymore, or the number of deaths? It was always case numbers followed by the number of deaths even if that number was zero.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I have no idea what’s happening in the UK but I know two households now who got infected . Some in the house were double vaccinated and one with one dose . Also in one house one who had Covid in March .

    In that house in March no one else was positive . This time in July one person tested positive who had one dose . Three others who were double dosed tested positive , the only one who tested negative was the one who already had Covid

    Of the three double doses who tested positive one had mild cold symptoms and the other two were in bed for three days with headache , body aches and cough


    A similar story in the second house with two fully vaccinated being positive and the one who had Covid earlier in the year was negative

    No one was severely ill or needed hospitalisation but its interesting that the only one testing negative were the people who had a confirmed case of Covid



  • Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It doesn't suit the narrative to call out 0 deaths every day and maybe 1 every few days. People wouldn't be as afraid then.

    Instead, every week or so, they give a low key update in the middle of a conference and the media don't give it much attention because it won't generate clicks.

    But if this latest run of cases starts to result in some deaths I think they'll be well able to let us know.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Because since the hack they don't have daily reported death figures in this way. They don't want to say "there were no deaths", because that's not accurate. The deaths may have occurred, but it hasn't been possible to report them. Some death figures are coming through, but at a guess I would say they're all in-hospital deaths rather than community deaths.

    At some point, probably pretty soon, RTE will get on a nice little doom gravy train where they can report 20 deaths a day for a couple of weeks, with a tiny asterisk to note that these deaths all occurred in May or earlier.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Looks like we will now know vaccinated status of admissions from the HSE hospital reports now

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Nice drop back in numbers over the day yesterday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭zebastein


    The hack is an excuse for a lot of things these days. Vaccinations and daily numbers of cases are back, I just think that they changed the way of communicating because the old way was not relevant, the same way they moved from a conference every day to twice a week.

    5000 deaths reported on 1st of July, 5026 today so deaths are reported, increasing slowly 1 by 1. There is little chance that they report a high number of deaths all of sudden. Where they would come from ? The last wave of covid in this country was 6months ago and the deaths have to be reported 3months after death maximum. Who has been dying in the last 3months ? All the 70+, and nursing homes are vaccinated since March. Difficult to find a backlog of 20 people now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    A bit of advice please. Son was die to go for Pfizer this morning, 50 minutes before appointment he got a text saying not Pfizer but Moderna.

    Is waiting time between shots still 28 days?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Thanks for the link but I would still take that with a bit of caution. People seem to forget that the corona vaccines were not developed with the aim of preventing infections but with the aim of mitigating the few more severe reactions to it. Fewer infections were a hoped for but not promised and still unconfirmed side-effect. Therefore it should be no surprise that relaxations of restrictions still lead to higher infection numbers.

    I think a lot of the problems in the public and political perception come from that. The public eye seems to have a short memory.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    28% of Covid-19 tests taken at Buncrana's test centre are positive.

    Figures from the HSE show the highest positivity rates for self-referrals as of Tuesday evening, are in Buncrana followed by Tallaght Stadium, Dublin.

    Meanwhile, Buncrana also has the highest positivity rate for walk-in testing at 23.6%.

    Donegal GP Denis McCauley who is Chair of the GP Committee of the Irish Medical Organisation says the figures in Buncrana are shocking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,654 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The only people going to walk in test centres are those with symptoms who almost certainly have covid - if people are on the fence about it round there they will not get tested because it means self isolation



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭airy fairy


    Any age group in particular?

    Only good thing is that they're turning up to test, could be worse and they ignoring things.

    Huge positive %age though.



  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's all over the shop and to be honest the true efficacy is reavealing itself. We all new the 99% efficacy claims by Pharma et all was just to sell the product.

    I saw isreal saying their jab de jour is about 50% effective now and the will need booster for the elderly at least.

    This is a 4th stage trial from 1-4 years in the general population from my understanding. I never believed the high efficacy numbers at all and now we can see how many are contracting Covid as easily as before albeit, it;s not sending them to hospitals which is the good thing and the real aim.


    With all the young Olympians and footballers contracting covid for instance, imagine the worry what with 1 in 7 "sufferings from debilitating" ling covid....

    It's so horrendous that many of them are competing in races at elite world class level and not so much as a sneeze.. they're popping up from routine testing. They might as well take a herpes or cold sore test for all the damage covid is doing on them.



  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ehhh NO they did not, nor will they. They're in the business of covid promotions and protections, not the truth.

    Govt will say "look this is what Europe and the UK are doing" and use it as an excuse to push unconstitutional measures in further.

    anyone who wants to start talking about natural immunity Vs the vaccines should realise that if indeed this virus was engineered, then we're either all

    in the dark or the vaccines were under lock and key before it got out. The WHO want to go into WUHAN again but the chinese are not for turning.

    This leak theory has officially got legs, even Facebook now listed it's discussion as credible and not conspiracy fodder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭redlad12


    I'm pretty sure the original aim was to prevent infections?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,300 Mod ✭✭✭✭HildaOgdenx




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Does anyone know where the Journal has gotten the total in hospital with Covid that are fully vaccinated?

    They are reporting 18 are in hospital with covid and are fully vaccinated.

    The updated HSE reports only give new fully vaccinated figures over a 24hr period and not a running total.

    I also notice the new confirmed cases on the Hub is 26 but the new HSE report indicates 18 new cases total, of which 8 are full vaccinated.

    Is this going to be the new "does the number in hospital include ICU figures or are they separate" question!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,934 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    What's this I'm hearing about France, come August if your over 12 years old, you will need to show your vaccinated in order to use the supermarkets. Isn't that just a wee bit over the top.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭Speak Now




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    They are vaccinating 12-15 year olds so it's consistent with the rest of their approach. It may be a dubious approach but it's consistent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,367 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Go back and read up on the pre-release test criteria. Preventing infections wasn't in the goals/requirements. Mitigation of symptoms was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Vietnam, not good there now, dismally low vaccination rate.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭redlad12


    Fair enough! Looks like they have succeeded with that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy



    Ireland is back to red to the ECDC map as we've above a total positivity rate of 4%. Not that it really matters a lot now (it's not really used for anything)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 706 ✭✭✭TefalBrain


    The vaccines have been a wonderful success of that there is zero doubt, way beyond my expectations. The evidence is there that nations who have been slow with uptake like Australia and Vietnam etc... are having real problems now.

    For us here this as good as over as the numbers being admitted to hospital is tiny and the deaths are the same. Time to drop the last remaining silly measures and let us get on with life now.



  • Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    nope, have a look at how macron spoke to the medical staff of France, who have a less than 50% vaccine uptake by the way.

    consider this, his leadership has been the subject of a cause for Coup talk within military circles. He has been slapped in the face in public recently.

    he has a far right rival in marine le pen making huge ground off the back of his policies, France is a one to watch indeed. Notice they said it's in August and according to Boris, by September you'll need one to go clubbing or to an indoor evernt with crowds..consider the most crowded place in london is the underground..you'll need it travel too in this case. If nightclubs need to ask for them, then they're put at a trading disadvantage maybe, so pibs will then need to ask for them too.. pretty soon we'll have Leo out telling us..Our good neighbors and our European friends have normalised these measures so we must adopt them in turn to save lives! save your lives, your father, your sister, your wife..

    now you have to check your wedding guests are all vaccinated...shocking stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    That only shows the number in a 24hr period, not how many in total.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    The far right in France, La Pen etc., aren't doing well or "making huge ground". They only had regional elections across France recently and both Macron's En Marche party and La Pen's Rassemblement National did terribly.

    Any losses for Macron are going to the more traditional (Socialist etc.) parties. The Far Right actually underperformed polls and lost vote share; they didn't win a single regional presidency.



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