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Irish Government To Crackdown on Downloads?

  • 08-01-2008 08:27PM
    #1
    rosboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭


    Hi all.

    A friend told me today that she read in the paper recently that the Irish government were planning a crackdown on people downloading films, music, apps etc.


    Anyone know anything about this?


Comments

  • #2
    Ph3n0m
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,655 ✭✭✭Ph3n0m


    Why? You worried? Hehehe


  • #3
    rosboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭rosboy


    Me? Worried? Never.....I've only just found out that they have the internet on computers now:P


  • #4
    cregser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 999 ✭✭✭cregser


    Ph3n0m wrote: »
    Why? You worried? Hehehe
    About the potential online privacy drawbacks? Damn straight!

    On another note, I need to get a better firewall. The broadband is in my name but I found some BitTorrent software installed on my sisters' PC...:rolleyes:


  • #5
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Links? I'd love to know what our shower of morons have managed to come up with that no other country has.


  • #6
    Anti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,401 ✭✭✭✭Anti


    seamus wrote: »
    Links? I'd love to know what our shower of morons have managed to come up with that no other country has.


    Tell me about it. I cant see it being done at all to be honest.


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  • #7
    Gadgetman496
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,446 ✭✭✭Gadgetman496


    I think that they discovered that all those electronic voting machines can actually monitor P2P activity if they buy an extra chip for a mere €100.000000

    :D:D:D


    -

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."



  • #8
    Tom Dunne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    gadgetman496 wrote: »
    I think that they discovered that all those electronic voting machines can actually monitor P2P activity if they buy an extra chip for a mere €100.000000

    That is after they pay the "release from storage fee" in brown envelopes, containing non-sequential €50 notes to an un-named public sector employee.


  • #9
    gamer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,227 ✭✭✭gamer


    this goverment is very good at giving contracts to tech advisers,wasting millions on it projects,some consultants will get a large payday from this project,at the end of the day ,it wont work,will be impractical ,unusable,too expensive to run and will not work in the real world,like the voting machines ,p powers fiasco, with the main result being taxpayer pays millions for another failed it project.This is the government that signed 20year contracts for storage of useless easily hacked voting machines.BUT then the whole it contract system is flawed ,as its not results based ,its designed by some civil servant ,who knows nothing about information technology.


  • #10
    layke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,956 ✭✭✭layke


    Considering (a how long it will take to go to court (b The cost of bringing someone to court (c the cost of getting Gardai to invest resources in it...can't see it happening tbh.

    Now don't get me wrong i'm sure some poor sod will be made an example of but after that I doubt we'll ever hear about it again. It's like the whole provisional license thing a few years back (not the recent scandal). One person got done for it and personally i'd say he was either made an example of or gave the guard some lip.


  • #11
    Tom Dunne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    gamer wrote: »
    this goverment is very good at giving contracts to tech advisers,wasting millions on it projects,some consultants will get a large payday from this project,at the end of the day ,it wont work,will be impractical ,unusable,too expensive to run and will not work in the real world,like the voting machines ,p powers fiasco, with the main result being taxpayer pays millions for another failed it project.This is the government that signed 20year contracts for storage of useless easily hacked voting machines.BUT then the whole it contract system is flawed ,as its not results based ,its designed by some civil servant ,who knows nothing about information technology.

    gamer! You're back!

    Where have you been? We missed your insightful and lucid posts.:D


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  • #12
    Fremen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Fremen


    Protect yer packets:
    Peerguardian
    http://phoenixlabs.org/pg2/

    will make sure they're not going anywhere they shouldn't.


  • #13
    PogMoThoin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    seamus wrote: »
    Links? I'd love to know what our shower of morons have managed to come up with that no other country has.

    :rolleyes: seconded, can't really see anything happening to frighten me, business as usual :p


  • #14
    rosboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 990 ✭✭✭rosboy


    So is the alleged crackdown on P2P? What about the likes of rapidshare links?


  • #15
    Lemming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,157 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    The real point to note here is that all of this crackdown is on copyright violation, which is not a government issue. It's a civil matter. So why would the government be acting on a civil matter that is already legislated for, unless of course it's another uselessly corrupt TD in the RIAAfia and it's Irish branch's pockets?


  • #16
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,152 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I assume your "friend" is taking his information from this news item:
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/08/triesman_isps_legislation_timetable/
    Although it doesnt mention Ireland.
    Some interesting comments at the bottom of that article.
    At the end of the day this goverment wont actually be cracking down on downloads but they may be changing the laws etc. That said, when you read some of the comments about the UK article, it becomes plainly obvious that there are a lot of hurdles they have to overcome first.
    Kippy


  • #17
    layke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,956 ✭✭✭layke


    Ireland a country with 4.5M people. We're small chips tbh.


  • #18
    Sqaull20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Sqaull20


    rosboy wrote: »
    So is the alleged crackdown on P2P? What about the likes of rapidshare links?

    Probably P2P,but I dont think they can do anything about rapidshare,megashares etc....Since it's not against the law to be a member of Rapidshare....

    You would only get in trouble for using rapidshare if they report you and the only way rapidshare would report you is if you upload lots of stuff (500gb-1TB),cant see them being bothered by a guy on a eircom 20gb limit :D


  • #19
    yoyo
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭yoyo


    Its only illegal to Upload in this Country, not download for personal use... So rapidshare as you just download your not breaking the law, torrents on the other hand must upload while you download? To maintain acceptable download speeds, so maybe P2P is, think newsgroups, rapidshare and the likes are alrite once you dont upload...

    Nick

    My Beer Glass collection site 🍺

    My Irish Callcards site



  • #20
    PeakOutput
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    yoyo wrote: »
    Its only illegal to Upload in this Country, not download for personal use...

    got a link to this?

    we have the same copywrite and intellectual property laws anywhere else has as far as im aware


  • #21
    spadder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 985 ✭✭✭spadder


    You would think the gob****es would be more worried about us have the worst broadband infrastructure in europe, alot of us can't even download emails, never mind f'*king movies!


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  • #22
    Offalycool
    Closed Accounts Posts: 459 ✭✭Offalycool


    There was talk on the radio recently about proposed EU legislation to make ISP's accountable for piracy...


  • #23
    PeakOutput
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,639 ✭✭✭PeakOutput


    spadder wrote: »
    You would think the gob****es would be more worried about us have the worst broadband infrastructure in europe, alot of us can't even download emails, never mind f'*king movies!

    ah sweet sweet college campus connections i got every episode of the sopranos in about 40mins. im at home now tho and its painfully slow at downloading


  • #24
    zod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭zod


    yoyo wrote: »
    Its only illegal to Upload in this Country, not download for personal use...

    Do you have a source for this ?


  • #25
    gsxr1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    love to comment on this but I have reached my 60gb traffic quotta this month and it only the 9th:D


  • #26
    gsxr1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,167 ✭✭✭gsxr1


    pic_1198166381803.jpg


  • #27
    Snowbat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Snowbat


    PeakOutput wrote: »
    we have the same copywrite and intellectual property laws anywhere else has as far as im aware

    There are differences. The US has fair use doctrine but other countries do not. It is being proposed in the UK.

    A US court has ruled that Napster users who download files containing copyrighted music violate plaintiffs’ reproduction rights.

    The Copyright Board of Canada indicated downloading music from peer-to-peer networks was legal in Canada.

    This BBC article about the introduction of new legislation in Sweeden states "Prior to the law coming into force, Sweden was the only European nation that let people download copyrighted material for personal use."


  • #28
    Krieg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭Krieg


    Offalycool wrote: »
    There was talk on the radio recently about proposed EU legislation to make ISP's accountable for piracy...

    Aye and if they do implement it, We'll be screwed :(


    Imo, this is the ONLY way to curb the downloading realistically. There are currrently 2 isp's in the world that do this. One is in America (Possibly AT&T in florida if I remember correctly..) and the other is in scotland (Dont know the name)
    Basically, they have a list of illegal DL sites in their DB. When you access one of these sites, you are sent an automated email saying that you have been found to be downloading illegally from this/other sites, your account will be banned and reported.
    They are fairly quick to identify the illegal sites as they just browse through their customers bandwith usage, pick out the big figures and see what sites they are visiting. Privacy is out the window.
    Im looking for a link that I found a year ago on it

    I dont understand why people would join such ISP's but its apparently stated in the customer contract that they may view your browsing habits. Atm, anti-piracy org's that find people providing copyright material will sometimes send their isp an email, who then tell the customer, threatening legal action.

    I dont think Ireland itself will introduce any special legislation to curb downloading, (I dont think any Irish politicians really care) it will be from the EU and I bet we will see something in the next 5 years.


    All that said, there will always be ways around it :D


  • #29
    yoyo
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭yoyo


    PeakOutput wrote: »
    got a link to this?

    we have the same copywrite and intellectual property laws anywhere else has as far as im aware
    I remember reading about it a while ago, on here I think it was actually, the only people to have gotten a fine in this country was for uploading huge quantities, not downloaders, I'll have a search later to the link ;)

    Nick

    My Beer Glass collection site 🍺

    My Irish Callcards site



  • #30
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    yoyo is right but I can't find the source atm. In law only providing a copyrighted material is barred. For this reason you can go to a market and buy bootleg dvds safely - it's the seller that can be prosecuted. Bear in mind tho torrent users that you are uploading as you download so that constitutes sharing.


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  • #31
    yoyo
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭yoyo


    Heres a link to a post with a source confirming downloading isn't illegal, only uploading is :) :
    http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=50922953&postcount=9

    Nick

    My Beer Glass collection site 🍺

    My Irish Callcards site



  • #32
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    I love the following:
    In this Part, “fair dealing” means the making use of a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work, film, sound recording, broadcast, cable programme, non-electronic original database or typographical arrangement of a published edition which has already been lawfully made available to the public, for a purpose and to an extent which will not unreasonably prejudice the interests of the owner of the copyright.

    IMRO consistently attempt to claim that copying a cd to your own MP3 player does prejudice the copyright owner. Muppets.


  • #33
    Stuartm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 67 ✭✭Stuartm


    kippy wrote: »
    I assume your "friend" is taking his information from this news item:
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/08/triesman_isps_legislation_timetable/
    Although it doesnt mention Ireland.
    Some interesting comments at the bottom of that article.
    At the end of the day this goverment wont actually be cracking down on downloads but they may be changing the laws etc. That said, when you read some of the comments about the UK article, it becomes plainly obvious that there are a lot of hurdles they have to overcome first.
    Kippy
    If you ask me its just something to moan at :-)


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