Dublin Bus - 46C, 46D and 46E (Dublin Bus)

irlrobins · 15-01-2008 08:19PM #1

According to the timetables posted on the Dublin Bus website and on a route map on a bus stop on O'Connell St, these three routes are supposed to travel along the Stillorgan Road, before making a short detour through Mount Merrion, then returning onto the dual carriageway .

As far as I know, this is a fairly recent change in their route. But I've seen Ds and Es bypassing this Detour and was on a C this evening that also continued along the Stillorgan Road.

Does anyone know what the correct route is??

astrofool · 16-01-2008 12:01AM

I don't see that here: http://www.dublinbus.ie/your_journey/viewer.asp?route=46c

All I see is stops named after the roads they are at the bottom of (trees road, fosters), it only makes a detour through stillorgan outside of rush hours (and imo should skip Stillorgan all the time, as the DC stop is 2-3 mins walk from any stillorgan stop, but Stillorgan increasing journey time considerably).

KC61 · 16-01-2008 02:06AM

irlrobins wrote: »

According to the timetables posted on the Dublin Bus website and on a route map on a bus stop on O'Connell St, these three routes are supposed to travel along the Stillorgan Road, before making a short detour through Mount Merrion, then returning onto the dual carriageway .

As far as I know, this is a fairly recent change in their route. But I've seen Ds and Es bypassing this Detour and was on a C this evening that also continued along the Stillorgan Road.

Does anyone know what the correct route is??

The maps are a new innovation and unfortunately are not all correct.

Routes 46C / 46D / 46E all operate directly along the Stillorgan Road without deviation until Stillorgan crossroads, where the 46E turns left onto Stillorgan Park. Both the 46C and 46D continue along the Stillorgan Road.

The exceptions to this are the 46C in the afternoon inbound and morning outbound that all serve Stillorgan village.

The description of "Mount Merrion" in the list of places served is referring to the general area, which indeed all of the buses along the Stillorgan QBC serve.

irlrobins · 16-01-2008 08:28AM

Yea but the roads mentioned (North Ave. (Foster Ave.), Deerpark Rd.and Trees Rd. (Redesdale Rd.)) are definitely off the Stillorgan road. And the map on O'Connell Street definitely shows a branch off the 46A route before rejoining at Trees Road. This is the new 46A bus stop near the spire.

Should probably contact Dublin Bus...

steve-o · 16-01-2008 08:53AM

Maybe you should also ask them about the "other" 46E that runs from Heuston to Belfield. Except that it's listed in the timetable on the 46A page

irlrobins · 16-01-2008 08:56AM

I would, but for some reason the email address listed on their website (info@dublinbus.ie) doesn't actually exist! Muppets....

KC61 · 16-01-2008 09:37AM

irlrobins wrote: »

Yea but the roads mentioned (North Ave. (Foster Ave.), Deerpark Rd.and Trees Rd. (Redesdale Rd.)) are definitely off the Stillorgan road. And the map on O'Connell Street definitely shows a branch off the 46A route before rejoining at Trees Road. This is the new 46A bus stop near the spire.

Should probably contact Dublin Bus...

It looks like they copied the stages off the 46B rather than the 46A when setting it up.

Fear not there are plenty of other errors out there...

Such as the 0655 and 0725 outbound 49A services that are still shown as 49, the 0803 (Sundays) inbound service ex-Westbrook that operates via route 49 but is only in the 65B timetable (and does not serve Killinarden estate, but we are not told this).

There are the evening services on the 7B - all are shown as operating to Shankill, but one goes to Cherrywood and one to Loughlinstown Park.

They're just a few to start you off!!!

Cookie_Monster · 16-01-2008 11:14AM

KC61 wrote: »

There is the evening services on the 7B - all are shown as operating to Shankill, but one goes to Cherrywood and one to Loughlinstown Park.

I've complained about this one on several occasions and been assured that they all go to Shankill and not to any other destionation :rolleyes:

Never seen one thats goes to Loughlinstown though, only Cherrywood

KC61 · 16-01-2008 11:41AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I've complained about this one on several occasions and been assured that they all go to Shankill and not to any other destionation :rolleyes:

Never seen one thats goes to Loughlinstown though, only Cherrywood

Where did you complain to?

Donnybrook garage or Head Office?

AlekSmart · 16-01-2008 12:32PM

The Correct route for these is DIRECT along the QBC,that after all being the very raison d`etre for the damn thing in the first place.

However as the OP points out the Website is draughted sloppily and most definitely indicates the 46B routing through peaceful Mount Merrion.
Now whether a good lawyer could translate that into a Payout is a matter of debate....:D

I would totally agree with KC61 on the need to by-pass Stillorgan Village.
This is something which should have been implimented as soon as the By Pass opened rather than force customers to endure the shenannigans of Buses having to make wild manouveres to get into the place only to spend more time queuing to get out of it after dropping off the few who now use those stops.

The 63 should suffice for those who wish Door to Door service to the Shopping Centre.

There is,sadly,a very revealing indication of the "Committment" or lack of same to the QBC principle in the condition of the Stillorgan Road Super Shelter which was unveiled as the be all and end all of such infrastructure after a major battle to get approval some years ago.

The shelter,is essentially derelict,used as a dumping ground,toilet,pharmacy with little or no indication of it`s status as an integral part of a public transport system.

I really can`t do it (in)justice without a few pictures.....but its a filthy neglected piece of work and no doubt about it ! :eek:

irlrobins · 16-01-2008 12:43PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

However as the OP points out the Website is draughted sloppily and most definitely indicates the 46B routing through peaceful Mount Merrion.

46B definitely goes through Mount Merrion. Has done so for many years. It's the C,D and E that seem to have recently been rerouted.

Still no response to my email...

KC61 · 16-01-2008 01:02PM

irlrobins wrote: »

46B definitely goes through Mount Merrion. Has done so for many years. It's the C,D and E that seem to have recently been rerouted.

Still no response to my email...

The 46C, 46D and 46E have NOT been rerouted.

This is an error in the publicity as I have said above. Someone incorrectly copied the stages from the 46B to the 46C/D/E, and the same error is on the map.

They operate via the QBC, except for the early morning outbound and evening inbound 46C trips.

irlrobins · 16-01-2008 02:02PM

Sorry, I don't know you as a poster so can I ask if you're a Dublin Bus employee?

KC61 · 16-01-2008 02:08PM

irlrobins wrote: »

Sorry, I don't know you as a poster so can I ask if you're a Dublin Bus employee?

No I'm not, just a daily user of Dublin Bus, who has had a long interest in public transport.

But I am long enough watching the operations of Dublin Bus and before that Dublin City Services of CIE to know that this sort of mistake is something that has happened before. It is down to lack of knowledge and carelessness.

There are other errors on the new maps that I've noticed such as the 14/14A joining back together AFTER Ballinteer, whereas this should be at Churchtown.

The intermediate timings should be taken with a grain of salt in many cases - the 14/14A are shown as taking 20 minutes from Dundrum to Ballinteer, a journey that only takes 5-10 minutes.

The publicity department has unfortunately a long record of mistakes, which do eventually get corrected. However it takes a lot of time and effort.

Rest assured, the buses are NOT re-routed.

irlrobins · 16-01-2008 02:11PM

I can understand the mistake in the stages on teh website. But getting a map wrong?

MiniD · 16-01-2008 02:29PM

irlrobins wrote: »

I can understand the mistake in the stages on teh website. But getting a map wrong?

Whether you understand it or not, unfortunately thats the case. There is a long list of errors in all areas of the bus service, from route numbering, timetables, destinations to route maps.

Please keep us informed of your response from Dublin Bus. It will be interesting to see how long it takes to correct the errors.

KC61 · 16-01-2008 02:55PM

MiniD wrote: »

Whether you understand it or not, unfortunately thats the case. There is a long list of errors in all areas of the bus service, from route numbering, timetables, destinations to route maps.

Please keep us informed of your response from Dublin Bus. It will be interesting to see how long it takes to correct the errors.

I imagine that the people drawing the maps may be using the stages as a guide.

It's no excuse, but attention to detail is not something that has been very strong in the past - especially on maps!

Cookie_Monster · 16-01-2008 05:26PM

KC61 wrote: »

Where did you complain to?

Donnybrook garage or Head Office?

Both, Depot once and Head Office 2 or 3 times, had had assurance from both "customer support" (use that term loosely) and the route master in Donnybrook that this would be dealt with swiftly, that was over 6 months ago and still nothings changed.

KC61 · 17-01-2008 12:33PM

I saw the maps myself this morning, and I note that is not the only error!

It shows the 46E as diverging from the QBC at Galloping Green. Strange, given that it operates via Stillorgan Park and Carysfort Avenue!!

They really cannot get anything right!

Incidentally, if you wish to see the ultimate error regarding bus routes on maps, check out the current Ordnance Survey Dublin Atlas. It shows the 114 as operating via the country lane that is Ticknock Road to terminate at Hanlon's Lane, a road that is totally unsuitable for buses, instead of the correct routing to the new apartments called Ticknock Hill which are on the other side of Blackglen Road overlooking the M50!!!

This is only one of a long list of errors, but it has to be the biggest! And this publication is supposed to be checked by Dublin Bus?

I think you might then begin to understand why I am not surprised by this!

KC61 · 17-01-2008 12:37PM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Both, Depot once and Head Office 2 or 3 times, had had assurance from both "customer support" (use that term loosely) and the route master in Donnybrook that this would be dealt with swiftly, that was over 6 months ago and still nothings changed.

Extraordinary really!

I know this one myself as I have pointed it out several times to Donnybrook having been caught out. The official running boards that are issued to the drivers do show two buses as going to Cherrywood or Loughlinstown Park, and that is what the driver works off.

This should be what is mirrored in the timetable.

A complete lack of communication between depot and HQ.

Victor · 17-01-2008 03:11PM

Note the current rebranding and information initiative has been outsourced.

KC61 · 17-01-2008 03:15PM

Victor wrote: »

Note the current rebranding and information initiative has been outsourced.

Indeed, but they are relying on the information from Dublin Bus!

KC61 · 18-01-2008 11:37AM

Victor wrote: »

Note the current rebranding and information initiative has been outsourced.

A quick update is that it is the physical stops/information displays and software that have been outsourced. The actual maps and timetables are being created in-house.

irlrobins · 11-02-2008 11:03AM

Got a reply from the Public Affairs Office this morning.

Dear Mr irlrobins,

Thank you for your e-mail. The information provided on the website is correct to answer your query. I have spoken to a bus controller in Donnybrook where most of the routes in this area operate from- to inform him that it possible that some driver are not sticking to the correct route. He said he would view the situation
and continued to say that it could be possible on a rare occasion of a new driver taking a different route in error. This however would be rare as all our drivers are trained on all routes that are based in their depot. We will monitor the situation and I apologise for any inconvenience caused.

Be interesting to see what happens now.

KC61 · 11-02-2008 01:05PM

Someone at senior management level needs to get this straight and fast.

These buses have NEVER operated via Foster Avenue, South Avenue, Redesdale Road, Trees Road and Kilmacud.

They have always operated directly along the QBC as to route via Mount Merrion would be a crazy detour.

Someone somewhere in Dublin Bus has got their wires distinctly crossed.

irlrobins · 11-02-2008 01:46PM

Well I'm sure if that was the case the supervisor would have put them straight. Sounds a bit of muddle anyway.

jaffa20 · 09-10-2008 07:37PM

Oh god!! I am really confused by their website and the replies on this thread. I need to get from newton park avenue to cabinteely in the mornings. By cabinteely i mean the stop after conelscourt shopping centre with the crossover bridge to the horse and hound pub. I see the 46c and 46d pass me in the mornings while i wait for the 84 or 145. Would i be safe getting either of the 46 buses as i'd need to get to work and i can just see the bus driver taking pleasure by going on some mad detour along the n11 and end up bypassing my stop. So can someone please reassure me that these buses will leave me at this stop

The bus shelter has the 46c and d stops marked on it but i never see them go past.

ardmacha · 09-10-2008 07:54PM

Talk of drawing maps based on stages etc seems outdated. Surely there is some sort of test driving of routes, a GPS on such a test bus would give data for an accurate map and a means of ensuring the drivers did not deviate unknowingly from the correct route.

Victor · 09-10-2008 08:26PM

jaffa20 wrote: »

Oh god!! I am really confused by their website and the replies on this thread. I need to get from newton park avenue to cabinteely in the mornings. By cabinteely i mean the stop after conelscourt shopping centre with the crossover bridge to the horse and hound pub. I see the 46c and 46d pass me in the mornings while i wait for the 84 or 145. Would i be safe getting either of the 46 buses as i'd need to get to work and i can just see the bus driver taking pleasure by going on some mad detour along the n11 and end up bypassing my stop. So can someone please reassure me that these buses will leave me at this stop The bus shelter has the 46c and d stops marked on it but i never see them go past.

To be honest you are better off going to the dual carriageway and getting the 84 or 145.

Note that there are very few 46C, 46D and 46E services http://www.dublinbus.ie/your_journey/viewer.asp?route=46e

jaffa20 · 09-10-2008 08:33PM

Victor wrote: »

To be honest you are better off going to the dual carriageway and getting the 84 or 145.

Note that there are very few 46C, 46D and 46E services http://www.dublinbus.ie/your_journey/viewer.asp?route=46e

Thanks, but the problem is i get to the dual carriage way at about 25 past 8 in the morning and the 145 or 84 doesn't arrive until 5 to 9. While waiting i see two 46 buses passing and so they'd be perfect rather than waiting in the cold and being late for work. So, i just need to know if these buses would go as far as the cabinteely bridge.

KC61 · 09-10-2008 10:24PM

jaffa20 wrote: »

Thanks, but the problem is i get to the dual carriage way at about 25 past 8 in the morning and the 145 or 84 doesn't arrive until 5 to 9. While waiting i see two 46 buses passing and so they'd be perfect rather than waiting in the cold and being late for work. So, i just need to know if these buses would go as far as the cabinteely bridge.

From Whites Cross to Cabinteely Village you can take: 46C, 84 or 145

The 46D does not go to Cabinteely, and only operates outbound in the evening peak.

Head up for 0815-0820 and you'll catch the 0745 145. Problem solved.

Tarabuses · 10-10-2008 12:50PM

jaffa20 wrote: »

Thanks, but the problem is i get to the dual carriage way at about 25 past 8 in the morning and the 145 or 84 doesn't arrive until 5 to 9. While waiting i see two 46 buses passing and so they'd be perfect rather than waiting in the cold and being late for work. So, i just need to know if these buses would go as far as the cabinteely bridge.

That's a pretty poor service if there is no bus to Bray between 8.25 and 8.55. Do they both then arrive together?

Dublin Bus - 46C, 46D and 46E (Dublin Bus)

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