Johnny Murphy

Brad Wesley · 21-01-2008 2:31pm #1

Can someone tell me why so much hype is made about unproven soft wingers like Fitzgerald and Kearney while at one of the top clubs in Europe a man has proven himself in the past two seasons as a strong, solid and versatile back player. Why has he not be mentioned even as a player for the future for Ireland.

jph100 · 21-01-2008 3:29pm

cos eddie is not gonna pick him until he plays for an irish province!

i do agree,he seems a decent player who is worth mentioning. probably same with frank murphy,with all the talk of dropping boss and only having 2 scrun halves i though he wud get a mention

marco_polo · 21-01-2008 3:57pm

Brad Wesley wrote: »

Can someone tell me why so much hype is made about unproven soft wingers like Fitzgerald and Kearney while at one of the top clubs in Europe a man has proven himself in the past two seasons as a strong, solid and versatile back player. Why has he not be mentioned even as a player for the future for Ireland.

He is hardly proven at Leicester in all fairness, he has been getting a few games fro them recently and is doing very well in all fairness. He has been in the Ireland A squad recently as well so it is not as if he is completely off the radar.

Plenty of promise but at the moment I would not consider him to be ahead of either Kearney or Bowe. I do believe that Fitzgerald is not quite ready for Irleand duty yet.

remus808 · 21-01-2008 5:03pm

Brad Wesley wrote: »

Can someone tell me why so much hype is made about unproven soft wingers like Fitzgerald and Kearney

Because they are the players that the majority are seeing in action

Why has he not be mentioned even as a player for the future for Ireland.

I'v heard him mentioned actually, but in fairness not many irish people follow the GP so as a result there isnt a huge buzz about him.

Stev_o · 21-01-2008 5:08pm

Murphy has been getting very good reviews of the Leicester fan base probably would have been their most improved player of the year if Tom Varndell wasnt there but still. Strong physical lad who can bump of tackles and is a strong finisher and broken play player. Just needs more time on the GP seen and hopefully more Ireland A appearances but yeah a bright prospect i have to say. Hope one day he ll get onto the Ireland squad

grodge · 23-01-2008 12:11pm

is it not annoying for everyone else that because a really good irish lad is playing he dosent get a mention because, as has been said, there is no 'buzz' surrounding him.

i've seen johnny play in jct and sct for newbridge college and then for naas rfc, and he is a great player who gets better every time he is on the field.

it is time for eddie to start the rebuilding process, take the wooden spoon a couple of times but be ready for next RWC and 6 nations 2/3 years down the line

Podge_irl · 23-01-2008 1:09pm

grodge wrote: »

is it not annoying for everyone else that because a really good irish lad is playing he dosent get a mention because, as has been said, there is no 'buzz' surrounding him.

i've seen johnny play in jct and sct for newbridge college and then for naas rfc, and he is a great player who gets better every time he is on the field.

There's no buzz because very few people see GP games (especially compared to ML and HEC games).

it is time for eddie to start the rebuilding process, take the wooden spoon a couple of times but be ready for next RWC and 6 nations 2/3 years down the line

Bollocks to that. I'd much rather win the next four 6 Nations and go out at the group/quarter stage of the WC then lose the next 4 and go out at the quarter/semi stage. I despise the fascination with the WC. You can change a squad slowly and without condemning them to failure by throwing in a load of new people at once. There's also no point throwing in new people for the sake of it in the name of rebuilding.

I am somewhat surprised by his name not even being mentioned given the lack of proper alternatives - I certainly wouldn't want Fitz on the wing. I have, however, never to my knowledge seen him play (murphy that is).

grodge · 23-01-2008 2:09pm

Podge_irl wrote: »

Bollocks to that. I'd much rather win the next four 6 Nations and go out at the group/quarter stage of the WC then lose the next 4 and go out at the quarter/semi stage.

are we not an international team? should we not be aiming to be the best in that field. i agree there was a lot of hype this year re: RWC but its what some teams live for. We need to restructure and start to introduce players sooner rather than later in my opinion in order for a squad to be formed and developed well in advance of the next RWC

Podge_irl · 23-01-2008 2:16pm

grodge wrote: »

are we not an international team?

Yes, the aim therefore should be to win all the international test matches. If the income from it wasn't needed, I'd almost prefer there was no world cup, the obsession with it is ridiculous. I enjoy the 6 Nations much more. I'm pissed off enough that the summer/autumn tests are turning into farces. Anyway, this isn't the thread for this.

Amazotheamazing · 23-01-2008 2:42pm

He seems like a decent player, but has the out and out pace to be an Int winger? Seems more likely to make it as a fullback imo.

burnedfaceman · 23-01-2008 2:49pm

johne is more of a fullback or at least thats were he played most of his rugby at lansdowne, i agree he would be more likely to succeed at full back

Stev_o · 23-01-2008 4:29pm

Wouldnt be bad to have him in the centre aswell. Good thing is that he's in the right team to learn international skills from the people around him

Podge_irl · 24-01-2008 4:05am

So he is another centre/fullback cum winger? Awesome, just what we need....

toomevara · 24-01-2008 8:32am

Podge_irl wrote: »

So he is another centre/fullback cum winger? Awesome, just what we need....

Good point, but just to take the guy on his individual merits, and I've watched him a few times this season, he is definitely not a natural centre in any way shape or form. But he is an extremely promising FB. He's one of those players whose suffered because of his versatility, plus with Geordan Murphy coming right back into form he'll have his work cut out at Leicester.

Ulstermell0 · 24-01-2008 10:53am

Podge_irl wrote: »

So he is another centre/fullback cum winger? Awesome, just what we need....

yeah versatility - what a terrible trait to posess!

i do appreciate what your saying tho - jack of all trades, master of none.

LFC5Times · 24-01-2008 11:00am

Funny thing is that if he stayed in Ireland at Leinster,at best he may be on a Development Contract but probably not and would still be playing AIL rugby for Lansdowne.

Seen him play for Leinster U.21's a few times and was quite average ie. didnt stand out as anything special,also seen him play for Lansdowne 1xv and same applied,safe at the back that was it.

The likes of Kearney,Fitzgerald and Fionn Carr are all better players in the back 3 positions than Murphy.

Muprhy wouldn't be ahead of any of them at Leinster regardless of the fact he has the most game time of all Leicesters players.

It helps that the Reserve teams in Engand play in a competitive league,helps improve players.

It also proves that more young Irish players should head to English clubs if they really want to play professional rugby,instead of staying at Leinster(for example) and just being on a development contracts and playing AIL rugby or 5/6 Leinster A matches a season.

Alot of good young players playing for clubs in the AIL while on Academy/Development contracts should head over to English clubs imo.

Amazotheamazing · 24-01-2008 11:08am

LFC5Times wrote: »

Funny thing is that if he stayed in Ireland at Leinster,at best he may be on a Development Contract but probably not and would still be playing AIL rugby for Lansdowne.

Seen him play for Leinster U.21's a few times and was quite average ie. didnt stand out as anything special,also seen him play for Lansdowne 1xv and same applied,safe at the back that was it.

The likes of Kearney,Fitzgerald and Fionn Carr are all better players in the back 3 positions than Murphy.

Muprhy wouldn't be ahead of any of them at Leinster regardless of the fact he has the most game time of all Leicesters players.

It helps that the Reserve teams in Engand play in a competitive league,helps improve players.

It also proves that more young Irish players should head to English clubs if they really want to play professional rugby,instead of staying at Leinster(for example) and just being on a development contracts and playing AIL rugby or 5/6 Leinster A matches a season.

Alot of good young players playing for clubs in the AIL while on Academy/Development contracts should head over to English clubs imo.

They aren't better players at the minute, they have the potential to be better players than him.

I agree about young talent moving away, even if to another province. If Dowling had stayed in Leinster, he mightn't even be playing AIL Div 1, in Munster he has a HEC medal.

LFC5Times · 24-01-2008 12:11pm

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

They aren't better players at the minute, they have the potential to be better players than him.

I disagree but thats your opinion.

Amazotheamazing · 24-01-2008 5:00pm

LFC5Times wrote: »

I disagree but thats your opinion.

I don't see how you could rate Kearney or Fitz currently higher, Kearney is still making bizarrely silly mistakes in every game and Fitz is still clearly a centre playing on the wing.

LFC5Times · 24-01-2008 6:12pm

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

I don't see how you could rate Kearney or Fitz currently higher, Kearney is still making bizarrely silly mistakes in every game and Fitz is still clearly a centre playing on the wing.

I didn't know you watched all Leicesters matches and never saw Johnny Murphy make a mistake!!

Why is Fitzgerald clearly a centre ?

He won a Senior Cup and played Irish Schools at fullback!

Thats form you are referring to, i'm referring to class.

Form is temporary,class is permanent.

The way Leinster play (off the cuff) and players like Contepomi are going to influence some of the things the younger players will do and mistakes they make, I still regard them as better more talented players than Murphy, as I said before thats my opinion.

One thing John Murphy has shown as well as Casey,Jennings,Cullen is that young Irish players arguably become better players playing for English teams,where its a much more competitive league and a competitive reserve/seconds league.Murphy would be an AIL player fighting relegation with Lansdowne now if he never left these shores

Stev_o · 24-01-2008 6:31pm

LFC5Times wrote: »

I didn't know you watched all Leicesters matches and never saw Johnny Murphy make a mistake!!

Why is Fitzgerald clearly a centre ?

He won a Senior Cup and played Irish Schools at fullback!

Thats form you are referring to, i'm referring to class.

Form is temporary,class is permanent.

The way Leinster play (off the cuff) and players like Contepomi are going to influence some of the things the younger players will do and mistakes they make, I still regard them as better more talented players than Murphy, as I said before thats my opinion.

One thing John Murphy has shown as well as Casey,Jennings,Cullen is that young Irish players arguably become better players playing for English teams,where its a much more competitive league and a competitive reserve/seconds league.Murphy would be an AIL player fighting relegation with Lansdowne now if he never left these shores

Oh thats just rubbish Fitzgerald is the greatest piece of a hype driven player since a certain French man decided to grow a long beard and hair.

He is average he doesnt have a all round game at all. You talk about a him winning the SCT well sorry but thats not a certificate for becoming the best talented rugby player in the world. Murphy got his pro status the hard way unlike Fitzgerald who walked in surrounded by unjustified hype.

Look neither are top class but the fact your making out Fitzgerlad too some God like amongst every other in this country is pathetic.

old boy · 24-01-2008 8:21pm

kearney and fitzgerald are probably in the squad to bring them along, as should a lot more, as the development team should have some old old hands to babysit,

LFC5Times · 24-01-2008 8:35pm

Stev_o wrote: »

Oh thats just rubbish Fitzgerald is the greatest piece of a hype driven player since a certain French man decided to grow a long beard and hair.

He is average he doesnt have a all round game at all. You talk about a him winning the SCT well sorry but thats not a certificate for becoming the best talented rugby player in the world. Murphy got his pro status the hard way unlike Fitzgerald who walked in surrounded by unjustified hype.

Look neither are top class but the fact your making out Fitzgerald too some God like amongst every other in this country is pathetic.

Obviously the drivel you are coming out with and the username match - obviously took your username from the same guy on Jackass and go on like him.

Where did I go on that Fitzgerald was God ?

If you cant read properly I'm sure someone can help you,i said as far as i was concerned Fitzgerald and Kearney are better players and more talented than Murphy.

I was referring to the previous poster saying that Fitzgerald is clearly a centre by saying that he won a SCT medal at fullback and played Irish schools,never did I say it was a certificate for becoming and I quote your poor grammar "best talented rugby player in the world", it was to highlight that he wasn't only a centre.

You must off got knocked out in the first round of a Senior Cup or never made the team to make you that bitter.

Fitzgerald is 20 and Murphy around 23 so he has 3 years on him to make up.

I never said he was God I said he was talented and used an expression to distinguish between form and class,putting Murphy in the form bracket and Fitzgerald in the class bracket because when comparing the two individuals thats the difference.

Obviously you have something against some 20 year old kid (as can be seen from a lot of your posts),but I'll leave you to sort your problem with him out.

Also you do have an obsession with Johnny Muprhy you are just short of having an orgasm over him as can be seen by your previous posts on him and you picking him in your Irish starting team for the 6 Nations,for love or money wake up. - Are you his Brother ? Dad ? Cousin ?

I don't support Leinster, never have (as can be seen from my previous posts on them and their coaches) and never will.

Are you sure you are not Steve o from Jackass ?

Amazotheamazing · 24-01-2008 8:45pm

I referred to him as a centre because it's his natural position, he's often said so himself. Watch the angles he takes and the lines he runs, he looks to jink through tackles rather than go around. Why do you think he's a winger, any more than Trimble is a winger?

He is talented, but he's not there yet and is in the squad more for how good he could become then how good he currently is.

LFC5Times · 24-01-2008 8:48pm

I didn't say he was a winger anymore than Trimble is,I said he was a more a fullback, didn't mention wing.

Amazotheamazing · 24-01-2008 8:51pm

Not sure he'll make a top level fullback, his kicking isn't good enough but at centre he'll be great, trust me on it.

Stev_o · 24-01-2008 8:55pm

LFC5Times wrote: »

Obviously the drivel you are coming out with and the username match - obviously took your username from the same guy on Jackass and go on like him.

Where did I go on that Fitzgerald was God ?

If you cant read properly I'm sure someone can help you,i said as far as i was concerned Fitzgerald and Kearney are better players and more talented than Murphy.

I was referring to the previous poster saying that Fitzgerald is clearly a centre by saying that he won a SCT medal at fullback and played Irish schools,never did I say it was a certificate for becoming and I quote your poor grammar "best talented rugby player in the world", it was to highlight that he wasn't only a centre.

You must off got knocked out in the first round of a Senior Cup or never made the team to make you that bitter.

Fitzgerald is 20 and Murphy around 23 so he has 3 years on him to make up.

I never said he was God I said he was talented and used an expression to distinguish between form and class,putting Murphy in the form bracket and Fitzgerald in the class bracket because when comparing the two individuals thats the difference.

Obviously you have something against some 20 year old kid (as can be seen from a lot of your posts),but I'll leave you to sort your problem with him out.

Also you do have an obsession with Johnny Muprhy you are just short of having an orgasm over him as can be seen by your previous posts on him and you picking him in your Irish starting team for the 6 Nations,for love or money wake up. - Are you his Brother ? Dad ? Cousin ?

I don't support Leinster, never have (as can be seen from my previous posts on them and their coaches) and never will.

Are you sure you are not Steve o from Jackass ?

The fact your whole argument is based on petty insults furthers my thought that you cant even manage such a discussion such as this thus all your opinions ill discredit. Next time have more facts then insults maybe then you might get your point across

LFC5Times · 24-01-2008 8:56pm

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Not sure he'll make a top level fullback, his kicking isn't good enough but at centre he'll be great, trust me on it.

Not for one minute saying he will make a top level fullback either,but one thing for sure is he will be a better player and win more caps than Steve O's brother or mate - Johnne Murphy

Amazotheamazing · 24-01-2008 9:07pm

LFC5Times wrote: »

Not for one minute saying he will make a top level fullback either,but one thing for sure is he will be a better player and win more caps than Steve O's brother or mate - Johnne Murphy

I dunno, looking at how many caps a donkey like Shane Horgan got, Johnny Murphy should get a few.

Btw, Johnny Murphy has already a GP medal, and if he stays with Leicester, he'll eventually get a HEC one, I wonder is Fitz right in staying in the home of underachievement?

RuggieBear · 24-01-2008 9:10pm

LFC5Times wrote: »

Obviously the drivel you are coming out with and the username match - obviously took your username from the same guy on Jackass and go on like him.
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You must off got knocked out in the first round of a Senior Cup or never made the team to make you that bitter.

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Obviously you have something against some 20 year old kid (as can be seen from a lot of your posts),but I'll leave you to sort your problem with him out.

Also you do have an obsession with Johnny Muprhy you are just short of having an orgasm over him as can be seen by your previous posts on him and you picking him in your Irish starting team for the 6 Nations,for love or money wake up. - Are you his Brother ? Dad ? Cousin ?
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Are you sure you are not Steve o from Jackass ?

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