National Submission Championship 2008

Colm_OReilly · 27-05-2008 09:31PM #1

Somewhere along the lines I lost a week. I thought I'd four weeks to go, turns out it's only 3! :eek:

So the details:

When - Saturday, June 14th. Registration at 10am. Rules meeting and competition at 11am.

Weight Categories:
62, 68, 75, 83, 92, Open

Skill Divisions:
Novice, Intermediate, Advanced

Entry Fee:
€25

Entry Cap:
100 Competitors

Ways to Enter:
Bebo Page
Email: info@spartanmma.com
TXT: 086-8151092

Supreme Commander:
Jim

Anything else I've forgotten:
Please post below

Colm_OReilly · 28-05-2008 07:27AM

NSC Juniors 2008:

Up to 16 years of age.

When:
Sunday, June 15th, 10.30 registration.

Entry Fee:
€20

If you need entry forms for your club's younglings please email or PM me and I'll send them on.

Colm

ch252 · 28-05-2008 02:50PM

Colm_OReilly wrote: »

NSC Juniors 2008:

Up to 16 years of age.

When:
Sunday, June 15th, 10.30 registration.

Entry Fee:
€20

If you need entry forms for your club's younglings please email or PM me and I'll send them on.

Colm

Cheers, you got my PM then!;)

Darragh

bjj-fighter · 28-05-2008 10:15PM

Are you competing,darragh-k?

ch252 · 29-05-2008 03:42PM

bjj-fighter wrote: »

Are you competing,darragh-k?

Sure we'll give it a go! Last year as a junior so I'll have to talk to Mark tonight and see what the story is, have exams all up to that Saturday so I'll see, one training session a month isn't very ideal for it though!

bjj-fighter · 29-05-2008 09:40PM

Cool,you goin into the adults or juniors? and are you doing your junior cert aswell?

ch252 · 30-05-2008 01:33PM

bjj-fighter wrote: »

Cool,you goin into the adults or juniors? and are you doing your junior cert aswell?

Juniors, last year of being a junior!:( and yup afraid so!:(

bjj-fighter · 30-05-2008 01:57PM

cool!I have my JC aswell and it sucks
Colm can I compete in the juniors?

Colm_OReilly · 30-05-2008 02:28PM

Have you competed at Senior Level?

bjj-fighter · 30-05-2008 02:38PM

Yeah but I've never got a medal or in the juniors.Go on just this once:DPlease

Im2Lazy · 03-06-2008 10:13AM

Colm_OReilly wrote: »

Skill Divisions:
Novice, Intermediate, Advanced

Just wondering how these are determined?

Colm_OReilly · 05-06-2008 09:05AM

Medals ordered, matts ordered, new scales bought, entries trickling in, Jim's beige hoodie in the wash, all is looking good for next Saturday (it's coming up fast!)

Im2Lazy,

The N/I/A categories are determined by how successful you've been in previous tournaments. You are free to start at any level you want but once you medal at a level, you must step up to the next one.

i.e. Peter starts at Novice and takes Gold, so the next tournie he competes at Inter. He takes silver. In the next one, he's fighting advanced.

We found this was better than a timescale like under 6 months, under 12 months and plus twelve months. As you could have guys training 4x/week in under 12 months and guys training 1x/week in plus twelve months. Also, some firebreathers/guys from Judo background etc but only doing BJJ/Sub Wrestling for a few months were going into novice.

It's largely based on a honours system as well, but for the vast majority, we've found this to work just fine.

Now get those entries in!

bjj-fighter · 05-06-2008 10:14AM

So can I go into the juniors?

Colm_OReilly · 05-06-2008 12:48PM

No, you've competed at senior level.

bjj-fighter · 05-06-2008 04:17PM

Yeah but I am only turned 15,I havent been successful at the adults and I cant go to the competition on saturday.So if you could please find it in your heart:D to let me compete just this once I would be grateful

Colm_OReilly · 09-06-2008 08:06AM

Competition this Saturday and entries have been coming along nicely so far.

If you've any questions please PM me, email me, or call me.

Colm

Colm_OReilly · 10-06-2008 09:54AM

Just got off the phone with Ray from FightLord, who've kindly agreed to sponsor Tastiest Takedown/Sexiest Slam on Saturday.

They'll also have a stand there so if you need anything, it'll be available!

Judomad · 10-06-2008 10:33AM

Colm_OReilly wrote: »

Just got off the phone with Ray from FightLord, who've kindly agreed to sponsor Tastiest Takedown/Sexiest Slam on Saturday.

They'll also have a stand there so if you need anything, it'll be available!

*noted by the dumptruck*

:D:D:D:D:D

wayne1 · 10-06-2008 03:19PM

Judomad wrote: »

*noted by the dumptruck* :D:D:D:D:D

oh will you be there :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Judomad · 10-06-2008 03:30PM

wayne1 wrote: »

oh will you be there :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

well the fightlord thing has made me wanna go...ah im joking, iv always planned on doing it. so yes is the answer wayne..will you be??

Colm_OReilly · 12-06-2008 01:55PM

TTT

Anyone care to predict the winner of Absoluto? I'm thinking this is The Baaad Man's year

Clive · 13-06-2008 06:55AM

Colm_OReilly wrote: »

Anyone care to predict the winner of Absoluto?

Nerigus I would say!

MaeveD · 13-06-2008 09:21AM

When do the entries close?

Colm_OReilly · 13-06-2008 03:18PM

Hi Maeve,

We've about 75 registered so far. We generally have about 25 or so show up on the day.

Thanks to everyone who's entered so far. Special thanks have to go out to Next Gen, as they've shown overwhelming support for the NSC. Will everyone fall prey to Chris Brennan moves? Find out tomorrow folks.

Remember, registration and the dreaded weigh in at 10am tomorrow.

Colm
086-8151092

Colm_OReilly · 14-06-2008 08:29AM

Best of luck to everyone competing today!!!

See you in UCD in 30 minutes.

Colm_OReilly · 14-06-2008 05:11PM

Big thank you to everyone who competed today, and all the officials and refs who helped out so much.

Will post full results and thanks later.

cowzerp · 14-06-2008 06:24PM

Well done to the organisers and refs on the day.. great job..

dunkamania · 14-06-2008 08:01PM

Well done to everyone who competed, especially those who got to kick my ass

chokehold · 16-06-2008 09:04AM

Any results?

MaeveD · 16-06-2008 10:42AM

A big thank you to everyone from Fightlord for your support on Saturday..

A special thanks to Colm for having us.... and to Clive my knight in shining armour

Nothingcompares · 16-06-2008 04:18PM

great comp, thanks lads. any photos or vids?

john kavanagh · 16-06-2008 05:21PM

any one have contact details for the big fella that won the absolute?? can u pm them to me thanks

Marty Mc · 16-06-2008 05:52PM

Great comp..Great day out...

a few questions...is it totally necessary for competitors to be called straight back on the mat after completing a match?Maybe it is...i dont know.

Also if u r involved in a draw that goes to the takedown rule, i believe that a clean takedown would be far fairer to the competitors...i.e what happend in the absolute when one competitor was reversed after an attempted takedown and it was flagged as a win for his competitor in what was clearly a reversal...

this is not a post to 'nit pick'...just an attempt to provide questions and suggestions that will hopefully add to an already excellent competition...:D

cowzerp · 16-06-2008 06:15PM

Marty Mc wrote: »

Great comp..Great day out...

a few questions...is it totally necessary for competitors to be called straight back on the mat after completing a match?Maybe it is...i dont know.

Damn yeah! thats what happenned me, into last 3 and i went 1st then 2nd so my opponent had a big rest and i was in after 1 min-got an arm bar but had nothing left in the tank to finish! what happens next? last bit of time i get arm barred-my arms where like jelly!! but im not complaining as i knew it could go that way and i just got the short straw! and this was the difference between 1st and 3rd-Doh!

Nothingcompares · 16-06-2008 06:22PM

john kavanagh wrote: »

any one have contact details for the big fella that won the absolute?? can u pm them to me thanks

Piotr Stawski he reads this forum I believe might drop you a pm.

Clive · 16-06-2008 09:28PM

Marty Mc wrote: »

a few questions...is it totally necessary for competitors to be called straight back on the mat after completing a match?Maybe it is...i dont know.

Unfortunately by the nature of a round robin format, it's impossible to eliminate people habing two matches in a row. When you factor in pull outs etc it can make things worse.

I know there were one or two guys who really seemed to get the short straw and get no rest, but that, unfortunately is the luck of the draw. It can be frustrating, especially for beginners, when they know they can do better, but their body won't respond, but ultimately, the alternative is going to a knockout style, where people could travel all day for just one match.

Nothingcompares · 16-06-2008 10:51PM

I completely agree with Clive but I feel the 1 minute rule was harsh, especially when you're coming off a really tough fight with an even more physical opponent awaiting you who is fresh. In judo circles I'm told you're entitled to a minimum of 5 mins between bouts (the duration of a match). I'm not sure what the procedure is in highschool/college wrestling.

The only alternative I can propose is running two weight classes on the same mat together.

Marty Mc · 17-06-2008 07:51AM

I too agree with what u r saying clive and appreciate that but it does put some people at a serious disadvantage when having to fight again after a gruelling match and as posted by Nothingcompares...a time frame of 5 minutes rest would be much better, in the sense that, competitors could gather themselves, recouperate and get back onto the mat in a recovered state.

I totally understand about time restrictions etc and sympathise completely but unless everyone in the weight class experiences this '1 minute rest period' then it becomes unfair. Essentially could lead to the individual placing lower due to having 2 matches in quick succession (and not being able to produce their best form) where as his/her opponents do not and they get the chance to compete fresh...

Again, i reiterate...this post is not to cause problems or take away from the day...just an attempt add to an already excellent competition.

Judomad · 17-06-2008 08:22AM

you arent always entitled to 5minutes break in judo, you are entitled to rest for the period of time you were fighting for, if the fight last 2minutes 37seconds, thats how long you have to rest before hauling yourself back on the mat, i like the whole little break thing, shows what people are made of, people dont just use there strength, technique, heart and will to win kick in at this point.

mark.leonard · 17-06-2008 08:36AM

Marty Mc wrote: »

I too agree with what u r saying clive and appreciate that but it does put some people at a serious disadvantage when having to fight again after a gruelling match and as posted by Nothingcompares...a time frame of 5 minutes rest would be much better, in the sense that, competitors could gather themselves, recouperate and get back onto the mat in a recovered state.

I totally understand about time restrictions etc and sympathise completely but unless everyone in the weight class experiences this '1 minute rest period' then it becomes unfair. Essentially could lead to the individual placing lower due to having 2 matches in quick succession (and not being able to produce their best form) where as his/her opponents do not and they get the chance to compete fresh...

Again, i reiterate...this post is not to cause problems or take away from the day...just an attempt add to an already excellent competition.

Suck it up Marty will ya!

I like the whole cardio intensive focus of the NSC to be honest, but running two divisions would remove the need for consecutive match ups, if Colm thought it was worth doing. The attitude to the event in some gyms is that its a bit of a run out to iron out your ground and in that case having a disadvantage against an opponent is not a big deal. If someone is taking the NSC seriously however, and I think this is where you are coming from Marty, then it is definitely a factor you want eliminated - why should your opponent have any advantage over you?

dunkamania · 17-06-2008 08:59AM

It can be difficult enough to run one group let alone two consecutively.

I do sympathise with those ppl who had to compete twice with only a minutes break, but their are time constraints for the evert. Although its not ideal, its defnitely better to have two fights back to back then to lose one fight and get knocked out.

Marty Mc · 17-06-2008 10:57AM

Mark...Lol..:D..i'll quit whining!!

FiannaGym.com · 17-06-2008 11:16AM

Thats the sport you compete in. The mats could get slippy, the guys rash guard could be an advantage or disadvantage, you might have to travel further, etc. It's never a level playing field. What is consistent about guys who win is that they have ways of levelling the field, usually by having trained harder for longer months or years before the comp.

Peace

wayne1 · 24-06-2008 05:48PM

Nothingcompares wrote: »

great comp, thanks lads. any photos or vids?

THERE U ARE AT UR BEST

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=mrb9c1DOT8A

Nothingcompares · 24-06-2008 08:29PM

thanks wayne

everyone should check that video, some of the best grappling you're likely to see

wayne1 · 25-06-2008 09:46AM

Nothingcompares wrote: »

great comp, thanks lads. any photos or vids?

There are some more kevin of ur team mate chris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSG8glC7nic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyibeZwunX8

National Submission Championship 2008

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