A New Low For Cobh Ramblers

gimmick · 12-08-2008 03:21PM #1

http://eecho.ie/pdf/back.pdf

Basically, the Cobh board have asked all players to get a €2k loan to help the club financially. They really are a joke of a club. back to the AUL where they belong.

OhNoYouDidn't · 12-08-2008 03:25PM

gimmick wrote: »

http://eecho.ie/pdf/back.pdf

Basically, the Cobh board have asked all players to get a €2k loan to help the club financially. They really are a joke of a club. back to the AUL where they belong.

When Arkaga pay the Cork City players the money they are owed, maybe you might be credible having a go at Cobh.....

applehunter · 12-08-2008 03:28PM

"The players can pay their own tax":D

You'd have to feel sorry for them.

gimmick · 12-08-2008 03:29PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

When Arkaga pay the Cork City players the money they are owed, maybe you might be credible having a go at Cobh.....

What the bloody hell are you on about now?

And FYI, the CCFC players have been paid :rolleyes:

Adamcp898 · 12-08-2008 03:33PM

Yet another LOI club in big bother

applehunter · 12-08-2008 03:35PM

Who's the financial controller/treasurer down there?

Was a budget not made for season.

gimmick · 12-08-2008 03:42PM

^ Yes, they budgeted for 1200-1500 every home game and doubled players wages on promotion.

Their CPO is their treasurer also afaik, and while very well intentioned and hard working, is a bit of a fantasist.

OhNoYouDidn't · 12-08-2008 03:49PM

gimmick wrote: »

What the bloody hell are you on about now?

And FYI, the CCFC players have been paid :rolleyes:

No they haven't. Three weeks wages owed.

Do you want to confer with Cork fans who have a clue on this one?

OhNoYouDidn't · 12-08-2008 03:51PM

applehunter wrote: »

Who's the financial controller/treasurer down there?

Was a budget not made for season.

While budgets come and go, as do players and I wouldn't panic, the question is where are the FAI here.

Bohs are blatantly breaching the wage cap, Cork, Galway and Harps have not paid players, yet not a peep. Now possible issues in Cobh.

gimmick · 12-08-2008 03:56PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

No they haven't. Three weeks wages owed.

Do you want to confer with Cork fans who have a clue on this one?

Is that correct? Fine. I will believe you.

Not to mention the fact of what does it have to do with CCFC. This is about Cobh, or can you not read?

Roar · 12-08-2008 04:17PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

No they haven't. Three weeks wages owed.

Do you want to confer with Cork fans who have a clue on this one?

there are no wages owed. stop pretending to know about things that you obviously don't have a clue about.

back on topic, that really is a joke down queenstown way. i love the chairman's attitude "erra, it's only a tenner a week" kinda thing.

cant imagine the players are too up for this!

OhNoYouDidn't · 12-08-2008 04:36PM

Roar wrote: »

there are no wages owed. stop pretending to know about things that you obviously don't have a clue about.

back on topic, that really is a joke down queenstown way. i love the chairman's attitude "erra, it's only a tenner a week" kinda thing.

cant imagine the players are too up for this!

While not disagreeing with your sentiments about Cobh - amazing that these things always happen when the transfer window closes, I am merely commenting that the sneering tone is inappropriate seeing as Cork are having problems at the moment. McGuinness on MNS said that he had heard the wages had been paid 3 weeks late and there was a question mark over this weeks payroll. Although he hinted that it was Arkaga acting the goat rather than a financial crisis.

Roar · 12-08-2008 05:04PM

^

you said that three weeks wages were owed, which is incorrect. the squad have been paid in full (admittedly a week late), and will be paid again this week.

cork city are paid fortnightly, not weekly, which is why the THREE WEEKS WAGES UNPAID line sounds a lot more dramatic than "wages a week late" line, but that's newspaper spin for ya.

anyway, back on topic again

was just talking to a mate of mine who plays for cobh, he says the chairman will be waiting if he thinks he's getting two grand off him!

OhNoYouDidn't · 12-08-2008 05:08PM

Roar wrote: »

^

you said that three weeks wages were owed, which is incorrect. the squad have been paid in full (admittedly a week late), and will be paid again this week.

cork city are paid fortnightly, not weekly, which is why the THREE WEEKS WAGES UNPAID line sounds a lot more dramatic than "wages a week late" line, but that's newspaper spin for ya.

So there was an issue with wages?

So my substantive point is correct. Cork City fans have no right to preach here.

Roar · 12-08-2008 05:23PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

So there was an issue with wages?

So my substantive point is correct. Cork City fans have no right to preach here.

WAS, correct. You came on here and said "No they haven't. Three weeks wages owed." which is incorrect.

cork city's wages are paid and up to date. they will be paid again this week.

i suggest that you try and get your information from more than just MNS before you come on here spouting inaccuracies.

gimmick · 12-08-2008 06:53PM

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Cork City fans have no right to preach here.

Who is preaching? I am merely stating that this is a new low for Cobh. Besides, what does CCFC have to do with the subject? All you are doing is using this as another object for your petty little grievances with another club.

CantGetNoSleep · 12-08-2008 09:35PM

The sooner this joke of a league is disbanded the better

A new one should only be started when clubs show that they have budgets to survive without relying on a few thousand people going to watch what is often no better than a pub game each week

bohsman · 12-08-2008 09:39PM

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

The sooner this joke of a league is disbanded the better

A new one should only be started when clubs show that they have budgets to survive without relying on a few thousand people going to watch what is often no better than a pub game each week

Would mean we wouldnt have to worry about travelling to Georgia either.

Adamcp898 · 12-08-2008 09:47PM

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

The sooner this joke of a league is disbanded the better

A new one should only be started when clubs show that they have budgets to survive without relying on a few thousand people going to watch what is often no better than a pub game each week

It's all the clubs goin professional that's the problem, too much extra expense

aidan24326 · 13-08-2008 12:56AM

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

The sooner this joke of a league is disbanded the better

Agreed. The clubs aren't getting the crowds for one simple reason. It's a crap league and like you say the standard of some of the games isn't much above what you'd see at a Sunday morning district league game. The top 3 or 4 teams have some decent players and can play some decent football but outside of that the rest of it is very poor.

Gavin "shels" · 13-08-2008 01:26AM

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

The sooner this joke of a league is disbanded the better

A new one should only be started when clubs show that they have budgets to survive without relying on a few thousand people going to watch what is often no better than a pub game each week

Good point man, and sure it's sh*t and always will be because they're isn't money being invested instead people like Niall Quinn and his buddies, Boyle Sports and the others head to spend their cash on ENGLISH teams.

Teams have tried going that extra mile, making the league better but end up failing, just like Shels.

You didn't watch the Pats -v- Drogs game or Bohs -v- Rovers last week on Setanta, both showed their is quality in the League.

bohsman wrote: »

Would mean we wouldnt have to worry about travelling to Georgia either.

Indeed, no National League = no International Team under FIFA Rules. So all you barstooling Oirish fans would miss out on your great journeys abroad in your leprechauns costumes and faces painted in our National colours, accompanying your Liverpool, Man U, Celtic, Sunderland, etc... in your suitcase.

Adamcp898 wrote: »

It's all the clubs goin professional that's the problem, too much extra expense

Yup clubs can't improve without money, more fans = more money (through gate receipts and sponsoring).

aidan24326 wrote: »

Agreed. The clubs aren't getting the crowds for one simple reason. It's a crap league and like you say the standard of some of the games isn't much above what you'd see at a Sunday morning district league game. The top 3 or 4 teams have some decent players and can play some decent football but outside of that the rest of it is very poor.

Go on example your point? Yes it is quite a crap league BUT it will never change without more investors and fans.

Publin · 13-08-2008 01:47AM

gimmick wrote: »

http://eecho.ie/pdf/back.pdf

Basically, the Cobh board have asked all players to get a €2k loan to help the club financially. They really are a joke of a club. back to the AUL where they belong.

Many of their supporters want them to go back to the Munster Senior League and a meeting was held about a month ago on this very issue and this was rejected. Clearly however, they can't sustain full time football. Sad to see, pity people won't turn out to support them, but it's the same story across all eLOI clubs.

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

While budgets come and go, as do players and I wouldn't panic, the question is where are the FAI here.

What do you expect the FAI to do? (Please not, I'm not defending the FAI, I'd certainly not be their biggest fan, but am genuinely interested in what you think they should do here).

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Bohs are blatantly breaching the wage cap.

Incorrect.

Gavin "shels" · 13-08-2008 01:49AM

Publin wrote: »

Incorrect.

Yup you're correct, heard it from one of their members.

DSB · 13-08-2008 01:52AM

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

The sooner this joke of a league is disbanded the better

A new one should only be started when clubs show that they have budgets to survive without relying on a few thousand people going to watch what is often no better than a pub game each week

aidan24326 wrote: »

Agreed. The clubs aren't getting the crowds for one simple reason. It's a crap league and like you say the standard of some of the games isn't much above what you'd see at a Sunday morning district league game. The top 3 or 4 teams have some decent players and can play some decent football but outside of that the rest of it is very poor.

Sickened by these 2 posts. Absolutely sickened. If you're not interested in our national football league, that is your choice. But talking about disbanding the league because you with your football snobbery haven't a clue. Go renew your Setanta and Sky subscriptions, hope you've fun with your little TV programmes.

bohsman · 13-08-2008 01:53AM

Its going to be loopholes so, the top 4 are spending stupid money, Pats rumoured to be spending 50k a week on wages to our 32k both crazy.

DmanDmythDledge · 13-08-2008 01:55AM

aidan24326 wrote: »

Agreed. The clubs aren't getting the crowds for one simple reason.

The clubs are getting the crowds because the league is poorly marketed and the facilities at most clubs are quite poor. Some teams, like Cork for example, have done great work off the pitch in promoting the club and developing Turners Cross. Galway were doing well until they decided to hike up their prices. There's only a handful of clubs that are fulltime and most do not have the staff to run the club on a fulltime basis. Hopefully next season the league will get a sponsor who, along with the FAI, will promote the league better.

It's a crap league and like you say the standard of some of the games isn't much above what you'd see at a Sunday morning district league game. The top 3 or 4 teams have some decent players and can play some decent football but outside of that the rest of it is very poor.

You obviously haven't seen much of the league then. I don't think so many teams in the Premier Division have tried to play football in a long while. Drogheda, Shamrock and Cobh are the only teams that don't try to keep the ball on the deck most of the time.

What would it take for you to start attending games? Drogheda came extremely close to knocking out Dynamo Kiev and they aren't among the top 4 teams in the league so that just shows that it's more than a couple of clubs who have the better players. There are a couple of players who are close enough to an international callup and were considered for the latest Irish squad. The standard in the league is rising every year, apart from a small blip last season.

Publin · 13-08-2008 02:00AM

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

The sooner this joke of a league is disbanded the better

A new one should only be started when clubs show that they have budgets to survive without relying on a few thousand people going to watch what is often no better than a pub game each week

As already stated, bye bye to the international team so. Budgets drawn up that clubs can survive on? I agree. The problem then is, people won't come to watch it, because we can't attract the quality players by paying them the (relatively) big bucks. The standard then falls and people stop attending. That said, feck all people attend anyway, so it can't get much worse really.
What do you expect teams to budget with if not gate receipts from a "few thousand people" going to watch it.

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

often no better than a pub game each week

You must have some pub team! Have you been to a game recently? If a mid-table side like Drogheda can give a team like Dinamo Kiev a scare in a CL qualifier, over 2 legs, then the standard can't be that bad, and is clearly improving as results in Europe over the last decade (on average) will show.

Gavin shels wrote: »

Indeed, no National League = no International Team under FIFA Rules. So all you barstooling Oirish fans would miss out on your great journeys abroad in your leprechauns costumes and faces painted in our National colours, accompanying your Liverpool, Man U, Celtic, Sunderland, etc... in your suitcase.

funny.

gimmick · 13-08-2008 09:44AM

You quoted the wrong person above Publin, you meant cantgetnosleep.

Indeed, disband the league. In fact, disband all but the cream of the crop, keeping just England, Spain, Germany, Italy and maybe one or two South American nations. And while we are at it, you may as well disband the lower divisions as well in these countries. Actually, Feck it, disband all but the top 4 in these countries, then we will have a happy little footballing community where our eyes are not hurt by poor football.

gustavo · 13-08-2008 10:03AM

aidan24326 wrote: »

Agreed. The clubs aren't getting the crowds for one simple reason. It's a crap league and like you say the standard of some of the games isn't much above what you'd see at a Sunday morning district league game. The top 3 or 4 teams have some decent players and can play some decent football but outside of that the rest of it is very poor.

`Why would you say it's crap ? It's the highest standard of football we have in the country

OhNoYouDidn't · 13-08-2008 10:19AM

Publin wrote: »

What do you expect the FAI to do? (Please not, I'm not defending the FAI, I'd certainly not be their biggest fan, but am genuinely interested in what you think they should do here).

The FAI took over the league and applied strictt financial criteria. The sanctions are quite clear for failure to pay players or breaching the wage cap. They were quick enough to hammer Rovers and Shels, and put transfer embargos on Galway and Sligo where are they on Bohs and Cork, and if this is true, Cobh?

Publin wrote: »

Incorrect.

No it isn't. Without the million they didn't get from Liam Carroll they are in the high 90% region. The question is, did they know they weren't getting the money when they submitted their budget to the FAI in March? If they did, the rules state they should be stripped of prize money and relegated.

OhNoYouDidn't · 13-08-2008 10:20AM

gimmick wrote: »

Who is preaching? I am merely stating that this is a new low for Cobh. Besides, what does CCFC have to do with the subject? All you are doing is using this as another object for your petty little grievances with another club.

I couln't care less about your selling club and its asset stripping owners. Its just a case of pots and kettles. Maybe you should be venting your spleen at Argaka not paying players the week after the transfer windo shuts then spreading heresay about Cobh?

A New Low For Cobh Ramblers

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