Kevin Myers makes it onto the website of the BNP

Múinteoir · 17-01-2009 10:57PM #1

He must be really chuffed with himself now!

pepsicokeacola · 17-01-2009 10:59PM

that lad is some ****ing goon. id have no problem ending his miserable life. id say he wakes up in the morning and looks at himself in the mirror, and is disgusted with himself.

Múinteoir · 17-01-2009 11:14PM

pepsicokeacola wrote: »

that lad is some ****ing goon. id have no problem ending his miserable life. id say he wakes up in the morning and looks at himself in the mirror, and is disgusted with himself.

Quite the opposite, I'd say!

mike65 · 17-01-2009 11:27PM

* wonders why Múinteoir was browsing BNP site*

dlofnep · 17-01-2009 11:32PM

He's English. Would fit in well in the BNP and their racist policies. He doesn't deserve anymore attention on this website.

RichMc70 · 17-01-2009 11:49PM

He stands out because he is the one person who puts opinions and questions that no other media person will.

Does that make him bad? .....or maybe he's just unique in that he will put himself in the firing line with the opposite (sometimes majority) view, as opposed to other journo's who just toe the line with political correctness.

FFS he a columnist with opinions, his employers at the indo don't seem to have a problem...but if you do, then don't buy the paper or alternatively do not read his column. Easy as that.

murphaph · 17-01-2009 11:49PM

I'm personally quite sick of certain foreigners coming here and behaving the way they do. Nothing wrong with pointing out such things. I'm also sick of the hysterical reaction of many when immigration in general is raised in the media.

Immigration is a major issue which needs discussing. Myers annoys me at times but not al the time.

sink · 17-01-2009 11:59PM

murphaph wrote: »

I'm personally quite sick of certain foreigners coming here and behaving the way they do. Nothing wrong with pointing out such things. I'm also sick of the hysterical reaction of many when immigration in general is raised in the media.

Well i'm sick of how a certain segment of Irish society acts and there are more of them so they cause me more hassle. I'm all for discussing immigration, but when people start referencing a few troublemakers in their case against immigration they are completely missing the real issues. Infrastructural carrying capacity and economic requirements are the issues that should be looked at.

murphaph · 18-01-2009 12:04AM

I'm sick of a certain section of irish society too. I didn't think I needed to 'insure' my statement about foreigners by saying such in the same post. The bad behaviour of certain irish has got what to do with the topic at hand (immigration) again? Oh yeah, nothing.

pepsicokeacola · 18-01-2009 12:13AM

murphaph how do you feel about british immigrants?

sink · 18-01-2009 12:14AM

murphaph wrote: »

I'm sick of a certain section of irish society too. I didn't think I needed to 'insure' my statement about foreigners by saying such in the same post. The bad behaviour of certain irish has got what to do with the topic at hand (immigration) again? Oh yeah, nothing.

Well I though it was obvious but let me clarify. Using individual examples of bad behaviour to guide immigration policy is frankly daft. Within every large group of people there will be a few bad eggs that is guaranteed but they are usually a small minority. The only way to justify your earlier statement would be if you were implying that all or a majority of immigrants are bad people which is blatant racism. The only things that should guide immigration are impersonal statistical analysis of the current economic and social infrastructure along with projected future growth.

K-9 · 18-01-2009 12:18AM

Can we send Myers away too with all the immigrants? Now, then I'd consider it!

pepsicokeacola · 18-01-2009 12:19AM

sink wrote: »

Well I though it was obvious but let me clarify. Using individual examples of bad behaviour to guide immigration policy is frankly daft. Within every large group of people there will be a few bad eggs that is guaranteed but they are usually a small minority. The only way to justify your earlier statement would be if you were implying that all or a majority of immigrants are bad people which is blatant racism. The only things that should guide immigration are impersonal statistical analysis of the current economic and social infrastructure along with projected future growth.

smart.

murphaph · 18-01-2009 12:22AM

sink wrote: »

Well I though it was obvious but let me clarify. Using individual examples of bad behaviour to guide immigration policy is frankly daft. Within every large group of people there will be a few bad eggs that is guaranteed but they are usually a small minority. The only way to justify your earlier statement would be if you were implying that all or a majority of immigrants are bad people which is blatant racism. The only things that should guide immigration are impersonal statistical analysis of the current economic and social infrastructure along with projected future growth.

Well then call me racist if you need to label me.

murphaph how do you feel about british immigrants?

We are culturally very similar to the british in many ways so I've no real beef with 'em. Britain has taken many more of us than we've taken of them so it'd be a bit cheeky to tell them to take a hike anyway.

K-9 · 18-01-2009 12:24AM

murphaph wrote: »

Well then call me racist if you need to label me.

We are culturally very similar to the british in many ways so I've no real beef with 'em. Britain has taken many more of us than we've taken of them so it'd be a bit cheeky to tell them to take a hike anyway.

Indeed, let us leech of a country first, then pay them back!

And they wonder why Ireland had a property and greed boom?

sink · 18-01-2009 12:26AM

murphaph wrote: »

Well then call me racist if you need to label me.

So are you confirming that you believe that all or a majority of immigrants are bad people? Or are you saying that an immeasurable, personal and subjective experience with a few individuals should guide government policy?

Darragh29 · 18-01-2009 12:28AM

dlofnep wrote: »

He's English. Would fit in well in the BNP and their racist policies. He doesn't deserve anymore attention on this website.

Just read what you said there again!

:D:D

pepsicokeacola · 18-01-2009 12:32AM

murphaph wrote: »

Well then call me racist if you need to label me.

We are culturally very similar to the british in many ways so I've no real beef with 'em. Britain has taken many more of us than we've taken of them so it'd be a bit cheeky to tell them to take a hike anyway.

so if the nigerians for example came in drinking points of lager, sticking up signs such as 'no polish, no dogs, no irish', wearing english soccer jerseys etc. you'd be grand with them ye?

your way of looking at it is one way, how about the fact that the nigerians don't occupy a portion of this island?

Tea drinker · 18-01-2009 12:36AM

Just going to distort you statement to see it from another point of view.

sink wrote: »

Well I though it was obvious but let me clarify. Using individual examples of bad behaviour to guide insurance policy rates is frankly daft. Within every large group of people there will be a few bad eggs that is guaranteed but they are usually a small minority. The only way to justify your earlier statement would be if you were implying that all or a majority of young drivers are bad people which is blatant discrimination .

But yet it happens!

Seanies32 wrote: »

Indeed, let us leech of a country first, then pay them back!

And they wonder why Ireland had a property and greed boom?

Sorry - are you referring to the british occupation of Ireland and half the rest of the world... or the more recent Irish arrivals in UK?

sink · 18-01-2009 12:43AM

Tea drinker wrote: »

But yet it happens!

Doesn't make it right!

K-9 · 18-01-2009 12:49AM

Tea drinker wrote: »

Just going to distort you statement to see it from another point of view.

But yet it happens!

Sorry - are you referring to the british occupation of Ireland and half the rest of the world... or the more recent Irish arrivals in UK?

I know, it's VERY relevant to a BNP Thread.

Do elaborate.

xOxSinéadxOx · 18-01-2009 01:03AM

I bet he's delighted with himself. twat.

murphaph · 18-01-2009 01:07AM

Listen. I just want any immigrants to adapt to our ways and customs or p!ss off somewhere else. I don't care what colour anyone is or where there from if they behave like the decent part of OUR society. We can't deport our own scumbags so little point in talking about them wrt immigration.

pepsicokeacola · 18-01-2009 01:15AM

'our ways and customs'

i don't get what this is? getting pissed out of their minds at the weekend?

but obviously nobody wants troublemakers, but this myers chap wasnt pointing out troublemakers, he was saying that when he looked at a tv show one time he seen no white faces, and he wasnt sure even if there was if they were even british.

sink · 18-01-2009 01:16AM

murphaph wrote: »

Listen. I just want any immigrants to adapt to our ways and customs or p!ss off somewhere else. I don't care what colour anyone is or where there from if they behave like the decent part of OUR society. We can't deport our own scumbags so little point in talking about them wrt immigration.

So polish people should replace Krakowiak with Céilí, Kielbasa with denny sausages and so forth and you'd be happy with as many of them coming here as they like?

P. Breathnach · 18-01-2009 01:35AM

dlofnep wrote: »

He's English. Would fit in well in the BNP and their racist policies. He doesn't deserve anymore attention on this website.

From Wikipedia: "Myers was born to an Irish emigrant family in Leicester, England, where his father was a General Practitioner." He has been based in Ireland since he started university here at about the age of 18. So far as I am concerned, that makes him Irish.

His opinions on many things are anathema to me. I consider him a far-right loon, albeit a very intelligent one.

Tristram · 18-01-2009 01:35AM

murphaph wrote: »

Immigration is a major issue which needs discussing.

+ 1

pepsicokeacola · 18-01-2009 01:38AM

but its not really anymore in fact a major discussion point will be emmigration in coming years.

i personally think ireland is fairly strict when it comes to immigration(outside eu) so until maby turkey joins eu i can't see immigration being a talking point.

T runner · 18-01-2009 02:13AM

RichMc70 wrote: »

He stands out because he is the one person who puts opinions and questions that no other media person will.

Does that make him bad? .....or maybe he's just unique in that he will put himself in the firing line with the opposite (sometimes majority) view, as opposed to other journo's who just toe the line with political correctness.

FFS he a columnist with opinions, his employers at the indo don't seem to have a problem...but if you do, then don't buy the paper or alternatively do not read his column. Easy as that.

But were entitled to comment on his opinions.

Myers practices political incorrectness. He tends to deliberately argue against the norm. Thus, people talk about his articles.
There are some exceptions: He doesnt like immigrants, women and he's extremely pro-British. So he will always write on these lines even if the majority agree. He is also a unionist, but he doesnt write loudly about that.
He will not write anything to diminish interest in his articles.
His arguments although sometimes persuading, dont really add up to much once you scrutinize them.

TOMASJ · 18-01-2009 02:16AM

I wouldn't pay any heed to anything Myers does or says he is just a self publicist and an old fool and comes over all controversial to get himself noticed, he is a bit like one of those spoilt pop stars we have in Ireland, what do you call the small guy with the dark glasses who swans around with the likes of Bush & Blair and (thinks he's God)

RiverWilde · 18-01-2009 09:32AM

I haven't seen such distilled bile in a while.

Kevin Myers is an interesting character who isn't afraid to speak his mind. I've noticed that in Ireland if you stand up and speak your mind you get treated with suspicion. Why is this? This country is supposed to be a democracy.

Riv

murphaph · 18-01-2009 10:44AM

sink wrote: »

So polish people should replace Krakowiak with Céilí, Kielbasa with denny sausages and so forth and you'd be happy with as many of them coming here as they like?

What people do in the privacy of their own homes or what they put into their stomachs is none of my business, foreigner or otherise. I like people to join a queue from the back and so on. Simple things that people should do to fit in. I like people to bring enough money to the till so that they don't have the cashier taking single items off until their fiver covers the shopping. You know, common courtessy for the people waiting behind. Stuff like that.

jank · 18-01-2009 10:51AM

murphaph wrote: »

What people do in the privacy of their own homes or what they put into their stomachs is none of my business, foreigner or otherise. I like people to join a queue from the back and so on. Simple things that people should do to fit in. I like people to bring enough money to the till so that they don't have the cashier taking single items off until their fiver covers the shopping. You know, common courtessy for the people waiting behind. Stuff like that.

So that is your only gripe with foreigners?
Do you have any other example other then a queue at the local shop?

Nodin · 18-01-2009 11:21AM

Múinteoir wrote: »

He must be really chuffed with himself now!

Always one to laud the 'glory days' of Empire, obesessed with British Army, gave out about number of "dark faces" in London, anti-republican to an insane degree, whinges about muslims the odd time......He's really checked most of the boxes for membership.

Serenity Now! · 18-01-2009 11:28AM

RiverWilde wrote: »

I haven't seen such distilled bile in a while.

Kevin Myers is an interesting character who isn't afraid to speak his mind. I've noticed that in Ireland if you stand up and speak your mind you get treated with suspicion. Why is this? This country is supposed to be a democracy.

Riv

He is a hypocritical contrarian whose arrogance, in my opinion, exceeds any quality. Speak your polemic mind and expect retort from those who disagree. This is all that Myers wants anyway.
That's a democracy. Has he been arrested or had his articles censored? Nope. :rolleyes:

O'Morris · 18-01-2009 12:09PM

I share Kevin Myers views on immigration and I'm glad that someone as literate as him is around to articulate the concerns of the silent majority on the issue. Immigration into this country over the last few years has been far too high and we can't afford to have our politicians ignore it for much longer.

that lad is some ****ing goon. id have no problem ending his miserable life. id say he wakes up in the morning and looks at himself in the mirror, and is disgusted with himself.

Can we send Myers away too with all the immigrants? Now, then I'd consider it!

I bet he's delighted with himself. twat.

For those people who feel such intense hatred for Kevin Myers, what is it in particular about the article that you object to? Have you actually read it or any of his other articles on the subject of immigration?

He has no choice over which website reproduces or links to his work and so he can't be held responsible for the BNP's decision to post it on their website. It would be like a journalist critical of Israel's actions in Gaza finding his articles appearing on a radical islamic site.

P. Breathnach · 18-01-2009 12:22PM

O'Morris wrote: »

I share Kevin Myers views on immigration and I'm glad that someone as literate as him is around to articulate the concerns of the silent majority on the issue.

What silent majority? A vociferous and often extremely unpleasant minority.

No matter how elegantly written, vile opinions still remain vile opinions.

Múinteoir · 18-01-2009 12:24PM

mike65 wrote: »

* wonders why Múinteoir was browsing BNP site*

I saw it on politics.ie

AlekSmart · 18-01-2009 12:36PM

Has he been arrested or had his articles censored? Nope.

I seem to recall Caoimhin having several brushes with the intelligensia,some of whom referred various of his articles to the relevant "bodies" for their attention.

Realistically,he does not put forward any opinion that cannot be freely heard anywhere in the country.

Only difference is few are willing or able to commit those thoughts to paper.?

Native Irish reticence perhaps..?

johnnyc · 18-01-2009 12:37PM

have to agree with Kevin Myers. this country is going to be like the uk.. model where the local people will be the minority

Serenity Now! · 18-01-2009 12:39PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Only difference is few are willing or able to commit those thoughts to paper.?

Native Irish reticence perhaps..?

Not at all. It sells copy and boosts his profile.

murphaph · 18-01-2009 12:41PM

jank wrote: »

So that is your only gripe with foreigners?
Do you have any other example other then a queue at the local shop?

I don't have a gripe with all foreigners so no need to imply that I do. I simply ask foreigners coming here to adapt to our customs. They don't have to give up their religion, change the colour of the skin or stop eating whatever it is they like to eat, just integrate into our society and behave in an accepted manner. No more than I would expect of any irish person!

I have travelled extensively and am always mindful and respectful of the ways and customs of the places I visit. I just expect the same in return. Sadly, when one raises such concerns there's an element here who scream "racist" hysterically at the tops of their voices. Anyway, let the hysteria continue.....

Serenity Now! · 18-01-2009 12:47PM

murphaph wrote: »

I simply ask foreigners coming here to adapt to our customs

I just love this line when its used LOL!

Which "customs" exactly?

O'Morris · 18-01-2009 12:49PM

P. Breathnach wrote:

What silent majority?

The most recent poll (see here) that I'm aware of has found that 66% of the Irish population wants to see a tighter immigration policy.

I remember another poll was carried out just after the Lisbon referendum which found that a majority of both yes and no voters favoured a more restrictive immigration policy.

P. Breathnach wrote:

No matter how elegantly written, vile opinions still remain vile opinions.

Which of his opinions on the subject of immigration are vile?

jank · 18-01-2009 01:22PM

murphaph wrote: »

I don't have a gripe with all foreigners so no need to imply that I do. I simply ask foreigners coming here to adapt to our customs. They don't have to give up their religion, change the colour of the skin or stop eating whatever it is they like to eat, just integrate into our society and behave in an accepted manner. No more than I would expect of any irish person!

I have travelled extensively and am always mindful and respectful of the ways and customs of the places I visit. I just expect the same in return. Sadly, when one raises such concerns there's an element here who scream "racist" hysterically at the tops of their voices. Anyway, let the hysteria continue.....

No need to get so defensive now. What customs are these then. Going on the pi$$ at the weekends? Buying BMW's on credit?:)

Seriously though what are so different about these people than say Irish people?
I have travelled too and the more you travel the more you realise that we are more the same then different.
I agree that English should be a at a reasonable standard and an effort made to learn the local geography etc. But I fail to see what the big deal is.

Serenity Now! · 18-01-2009 01:30PM

jank wrote: »

No need to get so defensive now. What customs are these then. Going on the pi$$ at the weekends? Buying BMW's on credit?:)

Seriously though what are so different about these people than say Irish people?
I have travelled too and the more you travel the more you realise that we are more the same then different.
I agree that English should be a at a reasonable standard and an effort made to learn the local geography etc. But I fail to see what the big deal is.

Well, it is a serious question actually. What bloody customs is someone not from these shores supposed to jump in on? English speaking doesn't get accomplished in a day. I know people in Norway who have been there for nearly a decade and still can't hold a conversation in Norwegian. Before the fella replies with the predictable answer, no, Norwegians speaking English doesn't make a difference. We're talking 'integration' and adopting 'customs' after all, aren't we?
I'd like murphaph to list areas that these people doing what the Irish have been doing for over a century, are supposedly failing on.
So come on all you anti-immigration proponents. Which customs then?

herya · 18-01-2009 01:32PM

O'Morris wrote: »

Which of his opinions on the subject of immigration are vile?

That he bases his opinion and the whole tirade solely on the NUMBER of black faces he saw.

But I'm not surprised. I used to read his column for a different view but I stopped once in one of his articles he likened male circumcision to female circumcision and on this basis demanded equal treatment for both (I believe re: Izevbekhai case). If he can't tell the difference between an optional standard hygiene procedure and forced lifelong mutilation I can't be bothered to read his enunciations.

grahamo · 18-01-2009 01:33PM

I've no problem with immigrants who come here to work, integrate and contribute to Ireland but there needs to be thorough checks on who we let in. We have enough criminals of our own to deal with.

sink · 18-01-2009 01:33PM

murphaph wrote: »

What people do in the privacy of their own homes or what they put into their stomachs is none of my business, foreigner or otherise. I like people to join a queue from the back and so on. Simple things that people should do to fit in. I like people to bring enough money to the till so that they don't have the cashier taking single items off until their fiver covers the shopping. You know, common courtessy for the people waiting behind. Stuff like that.

Bloody hell, if that's all it takes to get your goat remind me to steer clear. Some people may not be good at maths or unfamiliar with our currency if they just arrived. What usually pisses me off at the supermarket till is some lazy disrespectful Irish teenager who appears vexed whenever they have to serve a customer.

I do think we have had too much immigration, or more to the point recent immigration was not well managed. New towns were built with out proper infrastructure such as schools and public transport or existing towns population boomed to the point where the infrastructure couldn't cope. These are the real issues that require urgent attention but unfortunately the immigration debate is constantly sidetracked into silliness like someone not have the right change at the cashier.

murphaph · 18-01-2009 01:40PM

jank wrote: »

I agree that English should be a at a reasonable standard and an effort made to learn the local geography etc. But I fail to see what the big deal is.

Well, if we carry on at current rates we will indeed find ourselves in a UK-like situation where in many neighbourhoods there are no 'natives' in certain areas at all and the new inhabitants have no grasp of english whatsoever and don't even need it as all their contacts speak their language. I take it you would have a problem with this situation arising in this state given what you wrote above. It is already happening btw.

Immigration can be good. Uncontrolled immigration is not and our immigration policy was pretty loose in recent years. I know for a 110% fact that the 20hour student visa (GNIB stamp 2) is abused more often than not and many 'students' are actually working 60 hours a week in blatant disregard for the law. Is this an acceptable part of immigration to this country? Is this a big deal?

jank · 18-01-2009 01:45PM

Serenity Now! wrote: »

Well, it is a serious question actually. What bloody customs is someone not from these shores supposed to jump in on? English speaking doesn't get accomplished in a day. I know people in Norway who have been there for nearly a decade and still can't hold a conversation in Norwegian. Before the fella replies with the predictable answer, no, Norwegians speaking English doesn't make a difference. We're talking 'integration' and adopting 'customs' after all, aren't we?
I'd like murphaph to list areas that these people doing what the Irish have been doing for over a century, are supposedly failing on.
So come on all you anti-immigration proponents. Which customs then?

I agree, the whole customs thing is a bit blown out of proportion. There are issue such as language and maybe work culture, temperment etc. But that comes over time. Once we can establish that "this is the way it works over here" and these ways are just and non discriminatory and fair then there is no issue. These people are sometimes a bit different. But maybe thats the issue, they are different. Maybe thats what he doesn't like!

Its like the foxnews annual "War on Christmas!!" Horse Manure.

Kevin Myers makes it onto the website of the BNP

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