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Roscommon HOH's sentencing

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  • #32
    oztots
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    Dudess wrote: »
    @An File: Is that the "Niiiiiiiiice" one which is always being quoted by guys here?

    yep


  • #33
    Insect Overlord
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    Dudess wrote: »
    @An File: Is that the "Niiiiiiiiice" one which is always being quoted by guys here?

    Yup, that's the one. The meme takes away from the seriousness of the point they were making though.


  • #34
    SoupyNorman
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    Dudess wrote: »
    A 14-year-old boy might like the idea of his teacher having sex with him, doesn't mean the reality wouldn't freak him out. And even if he did enjoy it, who's to say in 10 years time he wouldn't be completely messed up by it?

    The point though, is female sexual abuse of males is not taken seriously - in part due to such attitudes.


    I agree 100% but it dont change the fact that I'd levitate the table watching my Maths teachers Booooobs knock together as she lent down to correct some of my fellow classmates homework copies. Its just one of those taboo fantasies, not helped with teachers like this at it!


  • #35
    oztots
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Teacher_Bangs_a_Boy

    I watched it there a few weeks ago when this argument originally popped up. I think you can watch the videos from south parks site.


  • #36
    pljudge321
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    An File wrote: »
    Yup, that's the one. The meme takes away from the seriousness of the point they were making though.

    http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/155304

    There's the clip for Dudess's sake.

    Sickening sentence really, 7 years is somehow equivalent to 5 lifetimes plagued with deep emotional issues.


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  • #37
    CantGetNoSleep
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    Madame Razz wrote: »
    SHe is actually serving concurrent sentences for each of the ten charges.




    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0122/breaking32.htmh


    In effect she will serve life.
    No she won't


  • #38
    javaboy
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    Madame Razz wrote: »
    SHe is actually serving concurrent sentences for each of the ten charges.




    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0122/breaking32.htmh


    In effect she will serve life.

    Concurrent means at the same time.

    Consecutive means one after the other.


  • #39
    Madame Razz
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    Sorry Brain not working right today.....criiiiinge....:o:o:o:o


  • #40
    Beaucoupfish
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    I'm a man and I think where the **** was the father or fathers? He should be brought before the courts too.
    That woman is obviously mentally disturbed.

    The poor children I hope they have the strenght to become happy adults


  • #41
    Madame Razz
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    Beaucoupfish wrote: »
    I'm a man and I think where the **** was the father or fathers? He should be brought before the courts too.
    That woman is obviously mentally disturbed.

    The poor children I hope they have the strenght to become happy adults

    I've been wondering that too.

    I hope the kids will be ok, but one has to wonder how a child could ever get over something like that, esp the older ones.


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  • #42
    AckwelFoley
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    The reason she has been given what appears a light sentance is because she as a woman cannot be charged with rape, because in the eyes of the law rape is defined as penitrative sex of the vagina.. any other act outside that is aggrivated sexual assault and the sentance is shorter for that. Its not the Judges fault, the only one problem i have is why the sentances were made conorant..


  • #43
    javaboy
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    CantGetNoSleep wrote: »
    Every male on here wanted to f*ck one of their teachers though (even the bum bashers i'd say)

    Banned.


  • #44
    Biggins
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    Originally Posted by CantGetNoSleep viewpost.gif
    Every male on here wanted to f*ck one of their teachers though (even the bum bashers i'd say)
    Biggins wrote: »
    Aaa, the good old AH tar all with one brush mentality! :rolleyes:
    Geeze, what a gobschite generalisation!

    I got an infraction for saying an idea was stupid!!!
    Jeeze - can't even say that daft notions are what they might be now!
    Here's me standing up the those who are thinking with a CLEAN clear head on AH.
    Its insulting and demeaning to those that have suffered!


  • #45
    1huge1
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    An File wrote: »
    There was an episode of South Park that took this issue to its most extreme form ( 3 year old Ike and his teacher eloping). It's actually a brilliant piece of satire. Shows up the warped attitudes of some people in relation to child-abuse/exploitation.
    Ya great episode, it really shows how extreme it can be.

    With the officers going ''nice!!'' when they find out its a female raping the child (rape isnt the right word but well if you seen the episode)


  • #46
    Nodin
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    Outdated law on incest, so they can't get here there....but surely theres a stiffer sentence for the neglect....and why are they made concurrent.....


  • #47
    Mingey
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    I can't believe it's the first of it's kind in the current State. At least it is highlighted now, and hopefully the wheels will be set in motion for the sentancing regarding female incest to be updated.


  • #48
    [Deleted User]
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Outdated law on incest, so they can't get here there....but surely theres a stiffer sentence for the neglect....and why are they made concurrent.....


    So they can free up a prison space earlier :rolleyes:

    Don't you know how the revolving door prison system works?? :confused:


  • #49
    tony1kenobi
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    Dudess wrote: »
    A 14-year-old boy might like the idea of his teacher having sex with him, doesn't mean the reality wouldn't freak him out. And even if he did enjoy it, who's to say in 10 years time he wouldn't be completely messed up by it?

    The point though, is female sexual abuse of males is not taken seriously - in part due to such attitudes.

    That is actually the plot to a film I saw the other day.

    It's called Weird Science......harrowing stuff.

    The woman convinced the 2 boys they had created her with an amstrad computer and a set of jump leads. Then she repeatedly raped and humiliated them throughout the ordeal.

    Even Robert Downey Jr couldn't save them.

    One of them poor boys grew up to be Anthony Michael Hall ( which I wouldn't wish on anyone)...I guess the other one is probably dead.

    Robert Downey Jr of course has battled with drugs ever since, and the older brother Chet ended up a steaming heap of sh1t.

    I'd recommend it to anyone. It was an eye opener.

    That Roscommon woman shoud be murdered in the face.


  • #50
    nacho libre
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    Dudess wrote: »
    And that's a joke of a sentence too - so I don't think this particular example is a case of a light sentence based on gender.

    .

    That wasn't the reason i mentioned that man's case. I was just curious as to whether he will serve the full term based on the the judges recommendation- or will other factors, like good behaviour, mean his time in jail could be less than 10 years. I disagree that this womans gender didn't come into it when sentence was passed. In fact the judge said as much in her summation when she said an act of law passed in 1908 prevented her from passing a sentence beyond seven years. Whereas if it was a man before her on charges of incest she would have given him a life sentence .
    I suspect societal constructions were clearly a factor in why this woman was able to get way with the neglect of her children for so long, and sexual abuse of one her children. Many people when they hear the word padeophilia associate it as being a exclusively male proclivity. Also, women are also seen as nurturing and caring hence the level of suspicion would be far less against a woman. For instance who would think anything untoward of a woman, who is not the mother of a child, embracing the young child who seemingly was in distress. so imagine the scope for manipulation the mother of said child would have in committing these crimes.
    Due to these reasons i bet many female pederasts never have to account for their crimes. The depressing reality is that these things are far more common than we realise.


  • #51
    K-9
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    nacho libre wrote: »
    That wasn't the reason i mentioned that man's case. I was just curious as to whether he will serve the full term based on the the judges recommendation- or will other factors, like good behaviour, mean his time in jail could be less than 10 years. I disagree that this womans gender didn't come into it when sentence was passed. In fact the judge said as much in her summation when she said an act of law passed in 1908 prevented her from passing a sentence beyond seven years. Whereas if it was a man before her on charges of incest she would have given him a life sentence .

    The gender did come into it, that is why the judge mentioned the law. She wants it changed. All she was doing was pointing out the law.
    nacho libre wrote:
    I suspect societal constructions were clearly a factor in why this woman was able to get way with the neglect of her children for so long, and sexual abuse of one her children. Many people when they hear the word padeophilia associate it as being a exclusively male proclivity. Also, women are also seen as nurturing and caring hence the level of suspicion would be far less against a woman. For instance who would think anything untoward of a woman, who is not the mother of a child, embracing the young child who seemingly was in distress. so imagine the scope for manipulation the mother of said child would have in committing these crimes.
    Due to these reasons i bet many female pederasts never have to account for their crimes. The depressing reality is that these things are far more common than we realise.

    Completely agreed.

    My 10 yr old still would grab my arm in town. I feel uncomfortable with it and get looks.

    I tell myself to cop on! and continue!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #52
    dodgyme
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    nacho libre wrote: »
    Due to these reasons i bet many female pederasts never have to account for their crimes. The depressing reality is that these things are far more common than we realise.


    I would say you are right


  • #53
    Dyr
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    Interesting thing is that all the usual vested interests were on the radio this morning using this as an opportunity to pimp the adding of a children's rights amendment to the constitution. None of them mentioned changing the actual law or why all the various groups had failed to highlight this issue before, hypocrite much?

    Mary O'Rouke described the case as "very sad" if a man had done this would she have said it was "sad"? Would she f**k.


  • #54
    walshb
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    dodgyme wrote: »
    At Roscommon Circuit Court today, Judge Miriam Reynolds said she would have given the 40-year-old woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons, a life sentence had she been a man.



    (However, Judge Reynolds said she was restricted by the terms of 1908 legal act, which carries a maximum seven-year sentence for incest cases involving women. )

    NOTE: From the house of horrors case( in roscommon ) in todays paper. Seems like alot of the law etc in Ireland is biased against men?

    Man or woman, Ireland hands down silly lenient sentences. It doesn't matter and anyone tell me where a man has been given a life sentence for rape, without aggravated circumstances, or incest without aggravated circumstances. To get a life sentence in this country; you really really have to be twisted!

    BTW, men rape, women 'don't.' Men sexually abuse, women 'don't.' Now, there are obviously exceptions; but statistically and proportionally, men are far far more likely to commit these types of offences. It's nature, the bad side to it!


  • #55
    walshb
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    themadchef wrote: »
    Will there be changes to the law after this disgrace? These sure as hell should be. Rape is rape regardless of what gender you are.

    The fact that it was the childs mother should carry a life sentence imo. Sick.

    Yes, females abuse, but 'NOT' sexual abuse. It is extremely rare. Women just don't possess that trait like a man.


  • #56
    Dyr
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    statistically very few priests were paedos back in the 60's...


  • #57
    dodgyme
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    Bambi wrote: »
    ?
    Mary O'Rouke described the case as "very sad" if a man had done this would she have said it was "sad"? Would she f**k.

    I doubt it


  • #58
    Wagon
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    dodgyme wrote: »
    (However, Judge Reynolds said she was restricted by the terms of 1908 legal act, which carries a maximum seven-year sentence for incest cases involving women. )

    What about any other charges? Such as: Child neglect, pedophilia, rape? Incest is just riding someone you're related to, both parties could be willing it doesn't include rape. The young lad was forced so that's rape. But of course, cos it's a woman who was the instigator it's just "very sad". The legal system isn't even a joke anymore, it's just depressing.


  • #59
    big b
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    Biggins wrote: »
    I got an infraction for saying an idea was stupid!!!
    Jeeze - can't even say that daft notions are what they might be now!
    Here's me standing up the those who are thinking with a CLEAN clear head on AH.
    Its insulting and demeaning to those that have suffered!

    Sorry for going off-topic, but I'd have thought you'd be happy with an in-frack-tion

    ;)


  • #60
    walshb
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    Bambi wrote: »
    statistically very few priests were paedos back in the 60's...

    Reported and distorted that is. Statistically they were!

    Out of every million women; I would say 1 is a rapist

    Out of every million men; all are capable and susceptible
    to the act. Not all will commit the act; but the trait is a male trait!


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  • #61
    Dyr
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    walshb wrote: »
    Reported and distorted that is. Statistically they were!

    Out of every million women; I would say 1 is a rapist

    Out of every million men; all are capable and susceptible
    to the act. Not all will commit the act; but the trait is a male trait!

    big difference between rape and child sexual abuse. 20 years ago people would have said about priests what you're now saying about women... and a future generation will hold us accountable for what we refused to contemplate, just as we did of the previous generation. Time will tell I guess.


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