Girly hair nets student €3500

connundrum · 17-02-2009 08:11AM #1

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/0217/1224241280174.html

I know that there have been a few cases like this over the years and I always come back to the point - if its a rule, don't break it.

I don't particularly like wearing a tie in work, but I do. I didn't particularly want to remove my ear and tongue ring for work, but I did. Because I wanted to work in this company, I conformed to their dress code.

You wanna go to school, cut your Goddamn girly hair!

End.

here.from.day.1 · 17-02-2009 08:16AM

Fight teh powah!! :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: = I have short hair!

mukki · 17-02-2009 08:19AM

here.from.day.1 wrote: »

Fight teh powah!! :rolleyes:

cut your fooking hair, ya big girl :P

matrim · 17-02-2009 08:20AM

i think he was right to get the money. It was a rule that discriminated based on gender. Plus the school handled the situitation very badly and if it was another student that said that it would count as bullying.

Creamy Goodness · 17-02-2009 08:24AM

****ing hell can I get some of that I was sent home from school for having hair down to my jaw line ala kurt cobain.

Cosmo K · 17-02-2009 08:24AM

And why exactly, is long hair girly? Why don't you tell him, to cut his long, girly hair?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2CJtd53G-Y

phasers · 17-02-2009 08:29AM

I'm gonna shave my head

When I get sent home for being too "Butch"

KERCHING!

Riamfada · 17-02-2009 08:33AM

Damn that crusty old dean!

Gone Drinking · 17-02-2009 08:43AM

Fair play, fcuking backwards schools trying to turn people into sheep.

Deputy Principal Ms O’Brien, suck my hairy ball sack!

Phsyche · 17-02-2009 08:45AM

He probably left it hanging down unkept to bother the school so much.
Another thing, peer pressure.
Why is someone of a male persuasion tying their hair into a ponytail in Ireland is always thought of as a schmuck?

6th · 17-02-2009 08:48AM

I got hassle for having a beard.

Gone Drinking · 17-02-2009 08:49AM

Phsyche wrote: »

Why is someone of a male persuasion tying their hair into a ponytail in Ireland is always thought of as a schmuck?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jji78uE

Mingey · 17-02-2009 09:04AM

He looks like a girl. Now, Johnny Unitas. there's a haircut you could set your watch to.

Cianos · 17-02-2009 09:07AM

connundrum wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/0217/1224241280174.html

I know that there have been a few cases like this over the years and I always come back to the point - if its a rule, don't break it.

I don't particularly like wearing a tie in work, but I do. I didn't particularly want to remove my ear and tongue ring for work, but I did. Because I wanted to work in this company, I conformed to their dress code.

You wanna go to school, cut your Goddamn girly hair!

End.

First time I've really wanted a 'thumbs down' button on Boards

Ostrom · 17-02-2009 09:19AM

Idiot faculty with incompetent principal, guy wins reasonable yet hardly excessive amount for said idiocy....

Sounds good

Berty · 17-02-2009 09:21AM

Good on the young guy for taking them to the cleaners.

Reminds me of that off license who refused to serve vodka to a 19 year old. They said "their" policies stated that they will sell beer and alco pops to over 18s but only over 21s could buy spirits.

I cannot remember how much he got but they got a good slap for it.

ShooterSF · 17-02-2009 09:24AM

My boss in work a few years back kept telling me not to wear a ring to work yet the girls were allowed to. I told him if he forced the issue he'd find himself dealing with an equality issue. Unfortunately it shut him up

I want my 3500 quid.

Ri_Nollaig · 17-02-2009 09:42AM

This is a story I like to hear, I was in a school in cork (who thought far too much of themselves) and when it wasn't hair that was too long it was hair that was too short! ha!, ...fu.cking as.holes
And something like this would have hurt them where it really hurts! their wallets!!!!

homerjay2005 · 17-02-2009 09:48AM

just heard his mother on the radio. came across as a snob with no respect for the schools wishes.

Wagon · 17-02-2009 09:51AM

connundrum wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/0217/1224241280174.html

I know that there have been a few cases like this over the years and I always come back to the point - if its a rule, don't break it.

I don't particularly like wearing a tie in work, but I do. I didn't particularly want to remove my ear and tongue ring for work, but I did. Because I wanted to work in this company, I conformed to their dress code.

You wanna go to school, cut your Goddamn girly hair!

End.

Absolute bull****. A school was willing to go to the lenghts to hiring a barber to inspect his haircut? Makes perfect sense...

Shirt and tie in work, i can probably understand that, especially if you're dealing with the public in some fancy places, or if you were a lawyer or consultant. But when you go home and take those things off and wear what you want after that. You don't look any different. Cutting your hair means it stays that way whether you wanted to or not. This chap didn't and wasn't going to be pushed into it and fair play to him. I don't think I've ever judged people on their hairstyle.

You have to start wondering if this is what kids are getting in their leaving cert year, what chance do they stand? I've never once heard of hair effecting people's exam results. Makes you think.

RaverRo808 · 17-02-2009 09:51AM

My school had a similar gestapo style set up,you werent allowed to have long hair,you werent allowed have short hair,no hair dyed,no tattoo's,piercings,jewellery,basically nothing that allowed you to be an individual,you always had to wear your tie and black shoes and socks???,if you didnt you had to pay a fine of 2 euro,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but when I was 13 my mam got me an earring(which I still wear)which I thought at the time was coolest thing ever,and even though she didnt like it I always kept my hair really short,a 0 or a 1 back and sides,the day after I got my haircut with my new earring,the teacher told me take out the earring,I refused,so I was sent to vice-principals office who made a big deal out of me having an earring and short hair,he called me a 'gutty',and said if I didnt take it out Id be expelled( I was being suspended until my hair grew back),so I said no,he decided to ring my mother,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the phone call lasted 3 minutes,and he his face dropped as the Ma roared him outta it on the other end,he put the phone down and in a real sneering voice said 'get back to class',me with big smile on my face,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Went home asked the Ma what she had said,she told him she spent 10 pound on that earring and pound on my hair and she wasnt having some miserable old c*nt disrupt my education over a piece of jewellery and a haircut,and threatened to report him to the equality body,my Ma is cool,lol

jusk · 17-02-2009 09:54AM

He may have had a point, and the school's stance seems ridiculous, as apparently they let other boys have long hair, but I heard his mother on the radio this morning, and I think she's an idiot for allowing her son to miss half of his leaving cert year for the sake of making a stand about a haircut. She should be fined €3500 for bad parenting.

17-02-2009 09:55AM

Too Right.. Leaving Cert education is most important one we get and to exclude someone in this day and age for something so trivial is a disgrace.

b0bsquish · 17-02-2009 09:59AM

Get a haircut ya hippie!

err I mean FIGHT THE POWAH :pac:

Dragan · 17-02-2009 09:59AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

just heard his mother on the radio. came across as a snob with no respect for the schools wishes.

LoL, you mean the schools wishes to basically bully a kid? The school handled it completely wrong, all those remarks about "wanting to be a girl" and "having a girls haircut". They could have handled it a whole load better than acting like a bunch of teenagers themselves.

Loomis · 17-02-2009 10:01AM

Dragan wrote: »

LoL, you mean the schools wishes to basically bully a kid? The school handled it completely wrong, all those remarks about "wanting to be a girl" and "having a girls haircut". They could have handled it a whole load better than acting like a bunch of teenagers themselves.

Exactly. If it were a girls school would they act the same way with a girl who had a short hair cut? If they told her she was trying to be a boy the country would come to a halt.

"If it's a rule, don't break it."

Ye, and Saudi women should just not allow themselves be raped to avoid lashes and prison sentences.

Breaking the rule is not the issue. The rule is the issue. Point being it's a load of ****e.

Mingey · 17-02-2009 10:05AM

Whats the point in having a uniform if people get to dress whichever way they like?

RaverRo808 · 17-02-2009 10:06AM

The leaving certs aload of gick,a test that lasts two hours a subject after learning two years of useless information,I belive we all should do it,for the purpose of having it on a CV or for the points,but what purpose does it serve in day to day living,in my view,none

Hagar · 17-02-2009 10:07AM

RaverRo808 wrote: »

she told him she spent 10 pound on that earring and pound on my hair

That must have been some haircut all the same, a whole pound.

RaverRo808 · 17-02-2009 10:09AM

Mingey wrote: »

Whats the point in having a uniform if people get to dress whichever way they like?

There shouldnt be uniforms to begin with,they add more to problem then solution

RaverRo808 · 17-02-2009 10:10AM

Hagar wrote: »

That must have been some haircut all the same, a whole pound.

Haha It was the late nineties,and I think it might have been 3 pound,ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,lol

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4 · 17-02-2009 10:13AM

Mingey wrote: »

Whats the point in having a uniform if people get to dress whichever way they like?

the uniform doesn't mention anything about hair in most schools. i agree with the long haired guy!!!

Jokesetal · 17-02-2009 10:15AM

This story has money spinner all over it. This was four years ago and there will be more as cash tightens and people start looking for easy pickings.
The school has a dress code which included hair, it's the whole basis of wearing a uniform! They were happy to have his hair to the collar, that would have left some room for him to express his individuality.
Easy pickings as I said......
You'll see the number of injuries from "serious" RTA jump soon.
Car damage = 100 Euro, Personal Injury = 10,000 euro
The solicitors will have to make their money from somewhere else also, now that the housing market is in a slump.:rolleyes:

kowloon · 17-02-2009 10:31AM

What worries me is that someone actually cared enough to make trouble over a hairstyle. Aren't schools about education and not the codification of all aspects of a students life?
The gob$hites who started this one are the same people who ring the council over peoples fences being over the regulation height.
With all the $hit let fly these days it's not much to ask people to tolerate petty differences.

cherryghost · 17-02-2009 10:40AM

I remember when I was in school i was told the exact same thing. And it really wasnt that long at all, it didnt even reach my shoulders!

On top of it all, a goatee wasnt considered 'part of the school uniform'. Well to me, frankly, is pretty obvious, but I was told to shave it off anyway, and i didnt. The head started ringing my parents and handing me notices, but i never did get it shaven.

connundrum · 17-02-2009 10:44AM

Cianos wrote: »

First time I've really wanted a 'thumbs down' button on Boards

You could give me the 'thumbs up' and then quickly take it away

Just to clarify my point - the school acted like dicks in this instance, and yer man deserved something for their incompetance.

I just don't get why people rally against institutional rules. The rules are set in stone, they may be stupidass rules but they are the rules of the institution. You don't want to abide by the rules - move on.

Easy.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 17-02-2009 10:53AM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

just heard his mother on the radio. came across as a snob with no respect for the schools wishes.

And the school had no respect for her or her sons, so....

connundrum wrote: »

You could give me the 'thumbs up' and then quickly take it away

Just to clarify my point - the school acted like dicks in this instance, and yer man deserved something for their incompetance.

I just don't get why people rally against institutional rules. The rules are set in stone, they may be stupidass rules but they are the rules of the institution. You don't want to abide by the rules - move on.

Easy.

Because sometimes you have to stand up for yourself and say "No. I disagree."

minidazzler · 17-02-2009 11:00AM

cherryghost wrote: »

I remember when I was in school i was told the exact same thing. And it really wasnt that long at all, it didnt even reach my shoulders!

On top of it all, a goatee wasnt considered 'part of the school uniform'. Well to me, frankly, is pretty obvious, but I was told to shave it off anyway, and i didnt. The head started ringing my parents and handing me notices, but i never did get it shaven.

I had the same but it was because I wore black Converse, I refused to wear anything else because they were comfortable and I was smart enough to be allowed to be a bollix. When they told me to wear sensible shoes I would say the rules simply say Black shoe's and No Runners so unless you want me to tell the lads that Cons and Vans are OK, I would drop it......Sir.

phasers · 17-02-2009 11:12AM

Converse are sports shoes though, so that's a stupid argument

Wagon · 17-02-2009 11:13AM

connundrum wrote: »

I just don't get why people rally against institutional rules. The rules are set in stone, they may be stupidass rules but they are the rules of the institution. You don't want to abide by the rules - move on.

Easy.

No. They're stupidass rules that shouldn't be there in the first place.

robby^5 · 17-02-2009 11:16AM

If one set of students are allowed to grow their hair long then all the students should be allowed to grow their hair long, it's as simple as that.

Similar thing happened in my old school, young lads a few years below us started putting red highlights in their hair to look "cool" which was something the girls had been doing for a while... school told the lads to stop, a few didn't and threatened they'd bring it to Department of Education because it was discrimination and the school decided to ban all students from having highlights. Not the same outcome as above because the school had some degree of cop on, but still equally fair.

In this case to single out males and say that long hair is not allowed is ridiculous, it's the school setting standards for each gender, which is moronic in this day and age. You'd swear it was the 60's and long hair was this new shocking fad...

Valmont · 17-02-2009 11:31AM

I ****ing hate Catholic Boy's schools, they are like micro communist environments in that they stifle individualism to such an extent. Good on yer man with the long hair for not giving in, he won a victory for liberty, fair play!

Raiser · 17-02-2009 11:42AM

Secondary Schools are notorious havens for disaffected, dull, maladjusted, immature adults who got a pass arts degree and were subsequently not sufficiently intelligent, skilled, talented or useful enough to gain employment in any other role whatsoever.

- To willingly allow them absolute authority over our children on their petty little w@nker terms is comparable to allowing a drunk Chimp to babysit an infant.

Twinkle-star15 · 17-02-2009 11:43AM

Mr. Anderson wrote: »

Exactly. If it were a girls school would they act the same way with a girl who had a short hair cut? If they told her she was trying to be a boy the country would come to a halt.

They do in my school. I know two girls who were told to grow their hair because they looked like boys. And guys' hair can't touch their collars. I think the rules about length are stupid; as long as your hair is neat it shouldn't matter what length it is!

evercloserunion · 17-02-2009 11:46AM

connundrum wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/0217/1224241280174.html

I know that there have been a few cases like this over the years and I always come back to the point - if its a rule, don't break it.

I don't particularly like wearing a tie in work, but I do. I didn't particularly want to remove my ear and tongue ring for work, but I did. Because I wanted to work in this company, I conformed to their dress code.

You wanna go to school, cut your Goddamn girly hair!

End.

There's a difference though in that education is a right whiule working in a particular company is not.

tony1kenobi · 17-02-2009 11:59AM

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

****ing hell can I get some of that I was sent home from school for having hair down to my jaw line ala kurt cobain.

......except you have a jawline.........unlike Kurt Cobain.

nacho libre · 17-02-2009 12:39PM

Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. As long as you have manners and are eager to learn whether you have hair down to your ass or closely cropped is irrevelant.
The implication in some schools seems to be if you have long hair you go around beating your chest and like to pull girls by the hair back to your cave. If your hair is too short you are a thug who likes to go around beating people up.
I could understand the school's position if a student worked in a school canteen, but even then they could provide you with a hair net.

DublinWriter · 17-02-2009 12:46PM

connundrum wrote: »

I know that there have been a few cases like this over the years and I always come back to the point - if its a rule, don't break it.

The school in question didn't have any written rules regarding length of hair.

Dum-dum principal handled the situtation badly, costing taxpayer €3,500 plus the cost of hiring the 'consultant' barber.

Give my regards to Jim Henson.

Heroditas · 17-02-2009 12:48PM

Valmont wrote: »

I ****ing hate Catholic Boy's schools,

So about 90 or 95% of all boys' schools then?

Valmont · 17-02-2009 01:02PM

Heroditas wrote: »

So about 90 or 95% of all boys' schools then?

Excellent observation. I was in a Catholic boy's school for 4 years and then switched to a non-denominational, wear-your-own-clothes, mixed school and it made me realise how antiquated and ridiculous the whole boy's school thing really is.

Geranium · 17-02-2009 01:12PM

The whole "do you want to be a girl?" accusation seems to be the worst part of it. Strikes me as homophobic/sexist. If girls can have long hair in (from what I assume) every school in the country, surely boys can too.

On the other hand, a male friend of mine was told to stop wearing an earring in school a few years back. When he protested: "but girls are allowed!" the principal banned everyone from wearing them and he was shunned by the girls for a fair while. Guess sometimes you can't win.

Girly hair nets student €3500

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