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Innovative Student Engineer Award

  • 03-05-2009 03:36PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭


    Anybody have experience going for this award?

    From Engineers Ireland:
    The aim of the Siemens Award is to celebrate innovation through engineering in third level institutions. The prize is awarded on the strength of final year projects. Engineers Ireland and Siemens present the prize jointly.

    Application Criteria
    Final year applications of honours engineering degree courses accredited by Engineers Ireland are eligible. The prize is judged on the merit of final year projects. Interested students should contact their lecturing staff or course leader. Students cannot enter directly but must be nominated by their college. Each college is entitled to nominate two projects. Only single student projects are accepted.

    Submission Deadline
    The application deadline is mid May. Engineers Ireland Membership Liaison Executive will also contact colleges at the start of the year.

    It seems I have been nominated to represent the Computer Science Dept. I've been told I'll have to give a presentation to some board of judges within the college.
    How many people will I be in competition with? I'm thinking one from each department like Civil, Mech, Elec, Comp. Would Science possibly be included?

    They say 2 are nominated from each college, and then I expect it turns into a national contest, is there only 1 award given?

    Thanks for any info/experience anyone can share.

    M450


Comments

  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Out of interest, what are you doing for your final year project?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭M450


    A Camera Phone Sign Translator... kinda sums it up!
    Think Nokia Multiscanner but using a web server like ScanR.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭BertrandMeyer


    Does it use infrared cameras?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭M450


    No, I don't see how that would even be possible... I use a basic VGA quality camera phone.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Oh KDH was telling us about that. He wanted you to bring it in and show it to us.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Pretty good idea. A mate of mine won something like this with the CS department two years ago, but it was IBM instead of siemens. Said everything was pretty straight forward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Brian


    Released under GPL, I presume *hard stare*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    You don't own the rights to your final year project, trinity does. You can't release it under the GPL.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,699 ✭✭✭Brian


    The TPL then?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Lol


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭M450


    Jonathan wrote: »
    Oh KDH was telling us about that. He wanted you to bring it in and show it to us.
    What year are u in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭M450


    Boston wrote: »
    Pretty good idea. A mate of mine won something like this with the CS department two years ago, but it was IBM instead of siemens. Said everything was pretty straight forward.
    Ah cool, I suppose its great getting this far. I was just wondering what my chances are of getting selected to represent the college. That'd be cool! :D


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    M450 wrote: »
    What year are u in?
    Second year.

    He has taken over 2E3.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    M450 wrote: »
    Ah cool, I suppose its great getting this far. I was just wondering what my chances are of getting selected to represent the college. That'd be cool! :D

    Pretty good I think. Novel FYPs are few and far between.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Boston wrote: »
    Pretty good I think. Novel FYPs are few and far between.
    What did Boston do for his FYP?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    FPGA implementation of an OFDM synchronization algorithm. It was new, but it wasn't novel.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Boston wrote: »
    FPGA implementation of an OFDM synchronization algorithm. It was new, but it wasn't novel.
    Basically make a multiplexer on a microchip?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭M450


    Jonathan wrote: »
    Second year.

    He has taken over 2E3.

    Haha yeah I heard ye were fairly pissed off with the original lecturer... was talkin to your man Semple, I know his older brother.

    Think we were the first year to have Steve Collins, which was cool cos he had us doin 2D games n all!


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    M450 wrote: »
    Haha yeah I heard ye were fairly pissed off with the original lecturer... was talkin to your man Semple, I know his older brother.

    Think we were the first year to have Steve Collins, which was cool cos he had us doin 2D games n all!
    Yea, that, and the recession is driving most people away from civil and computers in to mech.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭M450


    Jonathan wrote: »
    Yea, that, and the recession is driving most people away from civil and computers in to mech.
    Electronic is the way to go... If you have the head for it. I hate it though!! Software all the way...

    I doubt the outlook for computers is too bad... well I hope not anyway! ;) I'm tryin to get funding for a PhD at the moment so haven't been looking for a job.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Jonathan wrote: »
    Basically make a multiplexer on a microchip?

    Not, an FPGA is re-programmable hardware, no microchips. They're deadly, but difficult to code for. I never implemented the multiplexing part, but rather I implemented the synchronization which ensures receiver and transmitter are operating at the same frequency and phase.

    M450 wrote: »
    Electronic is the way to go... If you have the head for it. I hate it though!! Software all the way...

    I doubt the outlook for computers is too bad... well I hope not anyway! ;) I'm tryin to get funding for a PhD at the moment so haven't been looking for a job.

    Wellcome ot PhD land. Have you talked to the GV2 group? Or perhaps Naomi Harte ? Even if you, yourself can't get funding, researchers often have non-student specific funding.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    Boston wrote: »
    Wellcome ot PhD land. Have you talked to the GV2 group? Or perhaps Naomi Harte ? Even if you, yourself can't get funding, researchers often have non-student specific funding.
    Excuse my ignorance but where is the main expense in doing a PhD? The stipend that the student gets?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Depends on the nationality of the student. Afair my fees were around 5 - 6 grand this year (for what I do not know) but for foreign students, its far far more. That said, I know IRCSET is 24K, 16K for students, and 8K for fees, equipment and travel.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,290 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    You had to pay 5-6k to TCD to get it more than that back in a stipend? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭Dalamar


    Boston wrote: »
    You don't own the rights to your final year project, trinity does. You can't release it under the GPL.


    http://www.tcd.ie/research_innovation/assets/docs/TCD_IP_Policy_Regulations.pdf

    Covers Trinity IP policy.

    From page 15,16
    Section II.2 b):

    College does not claim ownership of intellectual property arising from the
    unpaid work* of undergraduate students under the direction of the College
    Staff with the exception of cases where the student has been advised in writing
    and has consented to the inclusion of the student’s work in project work which
    is being carried out for a party with which the College has a contract, or which
    has been organised with the express purpose of securing a contract with an
    external party.

    * Unpaid work shall mean that the student is not in receipt of a stipend, scholarship, grant or salary which is administered by the College and which is to enable the student to carry out research.

    It's also repeated in Section I.7 part b.

    If you do have concerns about if the college owns what you made, talk to your supervisor and/or tutor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭M450


    Well the funding is so you can survive while doing the PhD and pay the fees. No chance of working so you need some sort of income!!

    IRCSET would be brilliant to get but I didn't get it on the first call.

    I'm planning on doing the PhD with Ken Dawson-Howe, and he hasn't mentioned having any available funds... :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Jonathan wrote: »
    You had to pay 5-6k to TCD to get it more than that back in a stipend? :confused:

    I paid nothing, I've two grants, one from trinity, the other from SFI. But had I been charged fees, they would have been around those figures afaik.

    Wrt the IP; Interesting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    M450 wrote: »
    Well the funding is so you can survive while doing the PhD and pay the fees. No chance of working so you need some sort of income!!

    IRCSET would be brilliant to get but I didn't get it on the first call.

    I'm planning on doing the PhD with Ken Dawson-Howe, and he hasn't mentioned having any available funds... :(

    You'll probably get the studentship award. You can do tutorials and labs (afaik 25 ~ 27 euro an hour) to supplement your income.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭M450


    Dalamar wrote: »
    http://www.tcd.ie/research_innovation/assets/docs/TCD_IP_Policy_Regulations.pdf

    Covers Trinity IP policy.

    From page 15,16
    Section II.2 b):

    College does not claim ownership of intellectual property arising from the
    unpaid work* of undergraduate students under the direction of the College
    Staff with the exception of cases where the student has been advised in writing
    and has consented to the inclusion of the student’s work in project work which
    is being carried out for a party with which the College has a contract, or which
    has been organised with the express purpose of securing a contract with an
    external party.

    * Unpaid work shall mean that the student is not in receipt of a stipend, scholarship, grant or salary which is administered by the College and which is to enable the student to carry out research.

    It's also repeated in Section I.7 part b.

    If you do have concerns about if the college owns what you made, talk to your supervisor and/or tutor.
    Well I didn't get any grants or get paid in any way, and wasn't working as part of any larger project... so is it fair to say that this project is my own intellectual property?

    Who wants to buy it off me?? ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭M450


    Boston wrote: »
    You'll probably get the studentship award. You can do tutorials and labs (afaik 25 ~ 27 euro an hour) to supplement your income.
    Yeah I was surprised when I found out how much you got paid for doin tutorials n all. I'm sure I'd survive on the 8k grant from the college funding since fees are paid aswel. But considering you have to do 6 hours a week tutorials as part of the grant would there be any tutorials left in the week for extra money!!
    I'd probably have to live at home and go back to commuting!! :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 178 ✭✭Dalamar


    M450 wrote: »
    Well I didn't get any grants or get paid in any way, and wasn't working as part of any larger project... so is it fair to say that this project is my own intellectual property?

    Probably. Again talk to supervisor and/or tutor if you want a definite answer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    M450 wrote: »
    Yeah I was surprised when I found out how much you got paid for doin tutorials n all. I'm sure I'd survive on the 8k grant from the college funding since fees are paid aswel. But considering you have to do 6 hours a week tutorials as part of the grant would there be any tutorials left in the week for extra money!!
    I'd probably have to live at home and go back to commuting!! :(

    The CS department does not hold students to the 6 hours rule. Mainly because its at your supervisors discretion whether or not you're available and the supervisors would simply say no to the department. Its a lesson electronics never really learned


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭M450


    Haha, well that sounds a lot better now!


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