Officially Dublin has the highest rate of gun murder in Europe in 2009

m@cc@ · 12-11-2009 04:11AM

koHd wrote: »

Well what good is an unarmed officer in a situation if a gun is pulled?

I know we have a special unit to deal with gangs and they carry guns. But they're not on the frontline everyday.

Bringing more guns to the party is not the solution to dealing with these gangs. Then the gangs get bigger guns which leads the police needing to get bigger guns etc.

koHd · 12-11-2009 04:27AM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Bringing more guns to the party is not the solution to dealing with these gangs. Then the gangs get bigger guns which leads the police needing to get bigger guns etc.

Well in that case if we disbanded the gardai the gangs would disband?

I know where you're coming from.

But these people will get the best guns they can, regardless of the policing situation.

I've had this discussion with gardai in the past and realistically it's only a mater of a few years before our police are armed.

I know if I was a garda I wouldn't be too confident approaching certain situations at the moment.

A friend of mine worked in a place that was robbed at gun point. the gardai were just around the corner. They found out about it but couldn't do anything about it.

What if something went wrong and the gunman started shooting? The police would have been as much use as a blind eagle.

The_Kew_Tour · 12-11-2009 04:46AM

Once its a a criminal killing another criminal I dont give a toss its when somebody innocent is killed like the poor guy from Limerick last year or that chap from Dublin Anthony Campbell who was shot in house for being in wrong place at wrong time in December 2006 then thats the people I feel sorry for the fookers who did it deseve to be fed to animals cause thats all those scum are.

Let the criminals kill themselves it spares us having pay taxes for them being in jail. Long may it continue once thats the case.

Overheal · 12-11-2009 04:48AM

adrian280582 wrote: »

Once its a a criminal killing another criminal I dont give a toss its when somebody innocent is killed like the poor guy from Limerick last year or that chap from Dublin Anthony Campbell who was shot in house for being in wrong place at wrong time in December 2006 then thats the people I feel sorry for the fookers who did it deseve to be fed to animals cause thats all those scum are.

Let the criminals kill themselves it spares us having pay taxes for them being in jail. Long may it continue once thats the case.

Theyre still gangs and they still recruit from youth sources. Each one that dies is going to be replaced by another. Look at LA. Yesterday's troubled teen is Today's scumbag gangster.

The_Kew_Tour · 12-11-2009 04:57AM

Overheal wrote: »

Theyre still gangs and they still recruit from youth sources. Each one that dies is going to be replaced by another. Look at LA. Yesterday's troubled teen is Today's scumbag gangster.

No I agree to point but that aint much good to innocent victims or there families who have lost loved ones.

These criminals cant just turn round and say ah but sure I had no chance and blame somebdy else if thats case no criminal should be in jail as its somebody elses fault.

They have and they choose that they want to make money the gangster way.

Manic Moran · 12-11-2009 05:16AM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Bringing more guns to the party is not the solution to dealing with these gangs. Then the gangs get bigger guns which leads the police needing to get bigger guns etc.

They've already got 9mm and .45s, how much bigger do you need? It's not as if criminals tend to use AK-47s much. Even in the US. They're a little hard to carry around with you without attracting attention.

Given the somewhat preachy OpEd in the Irish Times a day or two ago about America's gun problem, this particular article is being taken with some amusement.

D.C. has always been known as one of the more dangerous cities in the US. The statistic was interesting because it had the strictest gun law in the nation, until last year.

NTM

m@cc@ · 12-11-2009 05:38AM

Manic Moran wrote: »

They've already got 9mm and .45s, how much bigger do you need? It's not as if criminals tend to use AK-47s much. Even in the US. They're a little hard to carry around with you without attracting attention.

Given the somewhat preachy OpEd in the Irish Times a day or two ago about America's gun problem, this particular article is being taken with some amusement.

D.C. has always been known as one of the more dangerous cities in the US. The statistic was interesting because it had the strictest gun law in the nation, until last year.

NTM

I'm just saying it would be better to focus attention on breaking up these gangs rather than trying to go to toe-to-toe with them. If the police were to start carrying weapons, you're just escalating the problem.

ElaElaElano · 12-11-2009 06:23AM

Overheal wrote: »

I hope of course, this was sarcasm, and not the most retarded post I've read in 6 months.

I doubt it. There's no sarcasm on boards.

rossie1977 · 12-11-2009 06:36AM

this map highlights where the murders in the DC metro have taken place this year http://burgersub.org/murders2k9.htm

Overheal · 12-11-2009 06:38AM

rossie1977 wrote: »

this map highlights where the murders in the DC metro have taken place this year http://burgersub.org/murders2k9.htm

technology is lethal

Manic Moran · 12-11-2009 06:38AM

m@cc@ wrote: »

I'm just saying it would be better to focus attention on breaking up these gangs rather than trying to go to toe-to-toe with them. If the police were to start carrying weapons, you're just escalating the problem.

I agree and disagree with you at the same time.

I will agree that the focus should be on criminal investigation and gang disruption/destruction as opposed to simply relying on them to make a mistake and get shot by the constabulary.

However, I disagree that there will be an escalation should the Gardai be armed. There's already an arms race, that's gang vs gang. They don't care if the Gardai are armed or not, and have the bestest bad-assed weapons they can get their hands on already. The only consideration for arming gardai should be for the defence of the individual garda, not for any possible useage in shooting gangsters. If Gardai do not need to be armed for their defence, then let them remain unarmed no matter what the gangsters do.

NTM

Snowie · 12-11-2009 06:55AM

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

You also have to ask, how the bleedin' hell the drugs get into the country in the first place?

Ireland must be the easiest country to smuggle drugs into.

How are they doing it? ....

well we have like two trawlers and a rib or something as are navey and most of the time one of them is away on diplomatic missions :rolleyes:.

so eh the hole west coast is like the eassyist place to bring them in that and fisher men needing to make a couple a tho on one job alone. what you think its hard to stash a ac ouple of 100 kees of grass ? or coke ?
wake up .

back to the incompetency of our Garda.

its nothing to do with the gardas incompetenc, Its two do with more then likely not having the resccources to battle it. The fact that we have little 13 years olds walking around thinking there the green street elite beating up old ladys and taking there pensions. :rolleyes: taking up valuble garda time.

a-k-47 · 12-11-2009 06:56AM

did someone say a-k-47.

pm if interested.

/ill get me coat (gun)

kowloon · 12-11-2009 07:22AM

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

This is what pisses ME off. Why does it have to be a competion showing numbers? Nobody wins or learns anything from this.

When was the last time there was 19 murders in ANY city/town/village in Ireland in the last 50 years?

Bottom line, something needs to be done in IRELAND in our NATION ...NOW...about the drugs and scumbags who sell them!!!

29 killed in the Omagh bombings, no less murders than the others, and you would have a hard time persuadignme that RIRA don't constitute a gang.

Palmerstown_guy · 12-11-2009 09:03AM

19 dead in 10 months...must be easily the highest number of murders in 50 years. Someone needs to check.

More guns to the garda might help, at the moment a garda to these drug peddling scumbags is like a neighbour using bad language. Useless.

It's a joke, this city and its ballooning crime rate is a joke.

Someone wake up the government!!!

Manic Moran · 12-11-2009 11:06AM

Someone wake up the government!!!

It's OK, the government are on the case. They've pretty much banned people from going to the Gardai, getting vetted for suitability and storage requirements, and paying for a license to own a handgun.

That'll show those criminals...

NTM

yupyup7up · 12-11-2009 11:06AM

im delighted. ye can all stfu about Limerick now.

Palmerstown_guy · 12-11-2009 11:20AM

Jasus, don't be delighted, that's not the way to look at it.

Everyone in Ireland needs to pull together to put a stop to these lethal gangs, everyone.

....and please note not everyone from Dublin went as low as to try elevate and ridicule other parts of the country..that is just lazy journalism and un educated people. I don't know why they do that, its embaressing, but they are good guys up here too.

We are a small Island and drugs and murders affect ALL of us.

yupyup7up · 12-11-2009 11:51AM

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

Jasus, don't be delighted, that's not the way to look at it.

Everyone in Ireland needs to pull together to put a stop to these lethal gangs, everyone.

....and please note not everyone from Dublin went as low as to try elevate and ridicule other parts of the country..that is just lazy journalism and un educated people. I don't know why they do that, its embaressing, but they are good guys up here too.

We are a small Island and drugs and murders affect ALL of us.

yeah you're right. just the C*nts in Dublin slaggin Limerick are far worse than anybody else in the country slaggin dublin!:D

Kipperhell · 12-11-2009 12:00PM

It is part of the fall out of the peace in the North. I said it when the likes of the IRA were disbanded that the government were being foolish about how it was handled. Effectively the illegal arms were being policed as they entered the country. By removing an ethos policing organised crime in Ireland it was certain that there would be the current outcome.

The supply chains were all in place for a replenishment of everything that was given up by the terrorists. There was never any talk of efforts to stop this supply. There are still people out there that could probably seriously damage supply chains who claimed they were fighting for Ireland. Time to step up and sort out the legacy left behind

Not a fan of the IRA by any means but the vacuum they left was always going to be filled.

Nodin · 12-11-2009 12:04PM

Nothing to do with the RA really. If you can get in a ton of heroin, theres no reason you can't pack a few handguns with it.

Palmerstown_guy · 12-11-2009 12:17PM

Remember it's only a small few uneducated Dubs that stoop that low.
Please don't paint us all with the one brush!

...regarding the RA being the reason why guns are in our city, hmmm...I'm not too sure of that.

Kipperhell · 12-11-2009 12:39PM

Nodin wrote: »

Nothing to do with the RA really. If you can get in a ton of heroin, theres no reason you can't pack a few handguns with it.

Guns are traditionally part of the shipment, the RA took the guns as part payment to permit dealing and other activities. Anybody got too big the Ra would sort them out. The dealers didn't have the big wars because the Ra would sort them both out.

They policed organised crime by being part of it and setting limits. Well established knowledge on how they generated money. They left a vacuum, effectively creating a power struggle within organised crime.

topper75 · 12-11-2009 01:07PM

tommy249 wrote: »

So much crap is written and printed about Limerick cause its such an easy target and then people actually think that its a war zone when its nothing of the sorts.

Fair point there. I think the problem is the same for both places. Similar dramatic statistics were used against Limerick. Non-Limerickers need to know that until recently, the city boundary wasn't touched for decades. Huge suburbs were omitted from stats. The area considered to be 'Limerick', the centre, had an inordinate amount of LA housing (more prone to criminal activity let's face it) and this skewed stats. This was exploited by unscrupulous journalists to write all sorts of daft articles about Limerick's crime, violence, unmarried mothers - you name it.

With Dublin city - where does the boundary start and end? The crime is a problem in both towns, but these are silly headlines and don't help.

Palmerstown_guy · 12-11-2009 01:24PM

Hopefully those sad journalists have learned a thing or two and have improved their trade. Crime is all over Ireland, every village to every city.

Now with Dublin's 19 murders...they have 19 families, murder is murder.

We shouldn't let these scumbags run riot in our city,

...and remember stop sniffing coke in clubs and pubs for starters, hipsters - you're feeding the scumbags!

spoofilyj · 12-11-2009 01:30PM

humanji wrote: »

Go on ya good thing! Try and beat that "Peoples Republic of Cork"!

Caus thats something to be proud of! And why start that arguement again, its done to death, Dublin - Capital, big whoop.

Cork is a nice big town, there are little comparisons to be made.

topper75 · 12-11-2009 02:18PM

Palmerstown_guy wrote: »

hipsters - you're feeding the scumbags!

Absolutely correct there.

Pdfile · 12-11-2009 02:20PM

a-k-47 wrote: »

did someone say a-k-47.

pm if interested.

/ill get me coat (gun)

i thought they all used colt 45's and other cheap weaponry :rolleyes:

ak-47 in ireland... you'd have to give your arm leg sister and left nut for one....

thats without bullets. :pac:

AckwelFoley · 12-11-2009 02:24PM

topper75 wrote: »

Fair point there. I think the problem is the same for both places. Similar dramatic statistics were used against Limerick. Non-Limerickers need to know that until recently, the city boundary wasn't touched for decades. Huge suburbs were omitted from stats. The area considered to be 'Limerick', the centre, had an inordinate amount of LA housing (more prone to criminal activity let's face it) and this skewed stats. This was exploited by unscrupulous journalists to write all sorts of daft articles about Limerick's crime, violence, unmarried mothers - you name it.

With Dublin city - where does the boundary start and end? The crime is a problem in both towns, but these are silly headlines and don't help.

Limerick is tiny in comparsion to dublin. AFAIK Talllaght is bigger than Limerick City.. Im not sure what point im trying to make, but you cant compare the two.

topper75 · 12-11-2009 02:32PM

snyper wrote: »

AFAIK Talllaght is bigger than Limerick City.. Im not sure what point im trying to make

I'm clear what point I'm trying to make. You can fiddle with population statistics to whatever ends you want because urban areas in this country are not properly delineated.

e.g. Bray is part of the Dublin urban area, but not strictly part of Dublin, rather Co. Wicklow.
Parteen is part of the Limerick urban area, but not strictly part of Limerick, rather Co. Clare.

Officially Dublin has the highest rate of gun murder in Europe in 2009

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